Amish heaters again!

JayinNY

Well-known Member
I just was thinking about this topic from yesterday, and I have a few questions. 1.Railhead says there is a tv infomoricial, which I havent got to see yet. However I saw a full page ad in the NY Post, a few months ago, Maricale heater heats for a few pennies a day, so safe it wont burn your cat, ect, ect, a bunch of fake looking Amish in the barn bulding the mantels, said they are trying to keep up with heavy demand, you can buy a oak or cherry mantel,limit 2 per house hold, and get the Miricale heater for free,but you must call between 8 and 8 or somethhing. 2. I saw a add a few months later saying, now because of the poor ecomony, were doing a once in a lifetime offer, to keep the Amish working, (and maybe from filing for unemployment benifits) you can get a mantel for 1/2 price I think it was....
Well how did the Amish get tied into this scam? Railhead said the mantel is"china made pressboard" Isent that false advertising? or exploitation of the Amish, Do you think they even know there being used to promote these things? What a joke... J
 
My wife loves that magazine ad that shows the Amish lady with the string of pearls around her neck! What a hoot!

The price of horses went way up; they are getting worn out with all that heavy demand on deliveries.
 
Our Rural Electric Co-op ran a warning in their
news letter stating that these heaters were a scam
and that a $19.95, 1500 watt electric heater from
Wal-Mart would give the same amount of heat.
However P.T. Barnum said, "There"s a sucker born
every minute"!
 
This Amish thing has been around for a few years.
Whoever is doing this must have a team of lawyers
that researched it. This is false advertising
and exploitation of the Amish people's work ethic.
ps I thought Amish did not like to have pictures
taken of themselves.
 
Jay, I'm not endorsing those heaters, but we have an elderly lady in our church who bought a so-called "Amish" heater. I helped her unpack it, and the wooden "mantel" (if that's what you call it) is solid oak. I'm not disputing Railhead - maybe this heater came from another source than the one he was talking about. She now has two of them, one on each side of her easy chair. She's sharp enough to know that they'll only cut her heat bill if she drags them around the house with her. What worries me about them - I'm sure she plugs them into the same recepticle. . . I warned her of the dangers - she lives by herself, and I can't follow her around all day long.

Another guy has two of them. He was bragging about how much money he was saving, but Saturday he got his electric bill - $374. I have told him - if you save a little bit with just one, why don't you buy a whole bunch of them and save a lot. Maybe you'd reach a point where you could heat your home for free. If looks could kill. . .

Paul - still chopping wood
 
..uhhhmmm Greygoat..that's been revised..because of the increased populations of the world the old PT Barnum statement has been recalculated and the new configuration now reads ..."There's a sucker born every thirty seconds"
 
(quoted from post at 08:29:00 01/11/10)....................... we have an elderly lady in our church who bought a so-called "Amish" heater. ...................... She's sharp enough to know.......................

If she paid the price for two of those she can't be all that sharp.
 
Im not trying to offend anyone who has bought one of these, but my point was, is this solid oak mantel you unpacked really made in the USA by real Amish craftsman? And why are they useing the Amish to promote these heaters?
 
(quoted from post at 08:41:20 01/11/10) Im not trying to offend anyone who has bought one of these, but my point was, is this solid oak mantel you unpacked really made in the USA by real Amish craftsman? And why are they useing the Amish to promote these heaters?

I don't understand why in 'ell you care. Are you Amish? Are these lyin' advertisers costing you money? Doesn't Google work at your house?

In other words,

the advertising is no more inaccurate than any OTHER ad on TV that contains blatant lies: To wit: try on the cancer institute--whatever--miracle--cure--they--are--called

or just about any newscast lately about politics

and if the Amish are offended, I guess they could always hire a lawyer
 
Let me re-phrase that - She got sharper after she bought it.

These are the type of people that those ads are designed for - elderly widows on a limited income, some of the most vulnerable in our society.

I've been able to talk several elderly folks out of buying them. Some won't listen.

Paul
 
It's probably the Amish,Mennonite or Brethren Mafia. They all came from the same Anabaptist background anyways.
May as well make some bucks selling the image they have worked so hard to cultivate. They have bills to pay too you know.
 
The consumer protection agencies/state attorneys general need to find a way to reel these guys in.

It's TERRIBLE the way the poor and elderly are being "taken" while trying to save a buck.
 
No. Im not Amish, and I dont care, I just thought the whole thing was funny, and was asking your opinions about it. Thats all, no harm done:)
 
I bought one of these heaters on line. I did not go threw the amish add. I just got the heater without the mantal. The heater is made in China, heater works great. I am as American as you can get. My only problem, wish it was american made.
 
Jay,
My neighbor bought 2 of them for his dog kennels. He told me his heating bill was 1200 a month before he purchased them. Now its 1300 and he doesn't think they do as good of job as the space heaters he used before.
Go figure!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
The Amish are folk who want to live in the way they have lived for many years. That is to live apart from modern necessities and modern ways, and to adhere to the way of life that has kept them going. They do have to use some modern conveyances, in order to find work for their carpenters, etc. and they do use the telephone, in an emergency, but just not for idle chatting. They do not drive cars or trucks, etc. I have seen them use single cylinder diesel engines, to power large meat grinders, but on an "Outlander farm."
So, here come the shysters, with their sucker bait, and since most folks think the moon is made of green cheese, and that you can get heat without burning something, or living over a volcanic thermal vent, those folks are the perfect customers to sell the Amish Heater to!
The first ads made it appear that all you had to do was push the heater around from room to room, and just set it there and it would blow out the heat!! The ads never showed the power cord that you had to plug into the wall socket. The ad also made it sound like the Amish used those "heaters" to warm their homes, because, ostensibly, they didn't use any electricity to run them: vis. an Amish home with one of the "heaters", no electric hookup--must work--and the astoundingly stupid amongst us bought them in droves!
So now, in order to avoid any legals trying to sue them, they now show the electric heating mechanism in their ads! And, they now say that the Amish only build the cabinets, and pretend to show Amish folks busily working in a shop, doing just that. So, look at those pictures; How many so-called "Amish" folks do you think you see in the photo??? Well, anybody whose face shows in that picture isn't Amish. Those folks are shills, for the company that makes the heaters. True Amish do not allow their faces to be photographed, nor printed in any advertising.
The big guy in the front-naww--he's just some guy with a beard and twinkling eyes--a shill is what he is called in the "sucker born every minute" shell-game!
As a young lad, my Dad would take me to the country carnival that came to our area once a year. Those carnie folks went away with lots of hard-earned cash, as spent by the locals, who, back then, 1930's, didn't have a lot of money.
There was one guy who sold a miracle cure for gasoline engines! He had a big old roadster, with a long hood and fender, and very shiney. He sold a plug in thing that would make very rough running engine smooth out after he plugged it into the distributor cap! I think the price was $2.50! He'd have the engine coughing and snapping and about to stall, then he'd pull out the coil wire, plug in his miracle coil, and the original wire, and that car would run very well!!
Of course, very few saw the board he had his foot on, and he'd step on it after installing the magic coil! We stood back and watched him until we got it figgered out. Good old P.T.
 
Amish try to stay away from state government agencies- this includes court system. Use of "Amish" name in advertising is low risk for liar advertising scam as Amish don"t want to go to court and sue. Now think about the Church of Scientology and possible use of their name for this scheme- The local station that broadcast the infoscammercial would be served about 2 days after airing it and station manager would have a personal suit filed against him or her for a million dollars. A print ad would get same treatment- printer operator and advertising manager would get personal suit as well as company that prints bad press against Scientology or uses their name without permission. LA Times is very discrete about criticism of Church of Scientology- prior plea deal has a resume suit for $$$ if they mess up again clause.
Be intersting if add was using Iranian Mullahs as endorsers and had picture reputed to be of Allah in add - Bookies would have short odds of advertisers surviving more than a month. RN
 
(quoted from post at 12:14:07 01/11/10)

It's TERRIBLE the way the poor and elderly are being "taken" while trying to save a buck.

I agree, the average person seeing these ads would think saving 1/2 their heating bill would be in order.
Only if they dropped the house stat to 45-50F and they stayed within a few inches of the 1500W heater.And shut the heater off at bed time.
 
I don't know about any Amish connection but as a gas heater combustion engineer this is my thoughts on these.

The heaters are not high tech just expensive. 1500 watts is 1500 watts. They just take the $25.00 Wal-Mart space heater and spread out the heating surface so no part gets as hot. Just more surface area to deliver the same 1500 watts.

You can heat just as well with your wife $10.00 hair dryer.

A few weeks ago I bought a small 20,000 BTU vent free gas fire place and put it in my house. My neighbors wife saw it and wanted one. He husband bought a 1400 watt electric fire place instead. He bought this since this generator would keep it going when the power goes off. My gas is 20,000 BTU's, 1400 watts equates to 4760 BTU's. My neighbors might be coming over to stay warm if the power goes off.

The electric fire place is the same as these heaters, might be nice to look at but pull 12.5 amps while running and will not keep a large room warm. I bet the power chord is the hottest part of the heater.
 
And just what heritage are other Amish? German, Swiss, or ?????

Perhaps you are not aware that ordinary, plain, English or whatever you call non-Amish may become Amish.
 
A typical cheap $25 wally world electric heater is rated at say say 1500 watts and that gets converted to heat at 3.41 BTU/Watt......A $300 or so Eden Pure or Amish electric heater rated at the same 1500 watts converts to the same 3.41 BTU/Watt NOW FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOURSELF ITS YOUR MONEY. Spend $25 to get 3.41 BTU/W (Wally World) or spend $300 to get 3.41 BTU/W (Amish)

What else needs to be said or understood???

John T
 
I could never figure out why people are so daft as to purchase a generator to run an electric heater?
Burn gasoline to make heat. Turn it into mech energy,convert into electricity and back into heat. That would be getting about a 20% recovery rate on the energy you bought.
Your neighbour would be in less money and have more heat. With one of those BBQ LP tank top infrared heaters.
 
Well maybe I said pressboard for more sensationalism but I did see on a morning show they said the cabinet was made in china. And I hope you can see the infomercial for the pure stupidity of it. If that were really a "factory" it would be a world record for inefficiency. And if they are sending a guy out across the country with one on his wagon everytime a call comes in...another record. It is just a big joke.

I know nothing about the Amish except around Hutchinson KS they clog up the roads with tractors pulling stock trailers full of more amish. I see them all over Eastern Ks S of KC. Also once while I was checking out of a hotel in Davenport, Iowa i was in line behind a amish slob and he had the worst BO I have ever been exposed to. I had to stay away from him....this was like 0645! I was just hoping I didn't just sleep in a bed he has ever been in....Anyway I don't have any reason to interract with them and I don't care if they are really involved with these heaters or not. I saw one in a farm store (orschelin's) that was being demonstrated and it just looked like a cheapo heater to me....i didn't spend 3 seconds looking at it. You know when you can instantly tell it is cheap, it probably is.

My thought is they are banking on selling it to stupid people that shell out their money and then later don't want to admit (even to themselves) they have been had. therefore, they don't send it back.
 
"Well maybe I said pressboard for more sensationalism" Ya thats ok, I just thing the whole thing is so funny.
 
and the power being off stops your neighbors gas heater how? he must be a real einstein.

My gas heater (NG) has a fan that doesn't blow with no elec but it still heats darn good.
 
My brother purchased one of those edenpure models with remote control for our elderly mom. We put it in her living room and set it on low and it worked pretty good keeping that room a little warmer but every time she used her TV remote control the unit would switch to MAXIMUM heat and stay there!!! Ended up being too costly using electricity. She put on a heavier sweater gave the unit to my sister :)
 
Them bbq tank jobs are nice. I have two that I use while striping tobacco. When the ice storm hit last year my family fought over them. We have a ventless propane heater in the house so we didn't need them but they were life savers for those that did.

Dave
 
Actually that thing he sold that went between the coil and the distributor worked. 25 years ago they sold for $10.00 - $20.00 at the state fairs. Inside of the plastic chamber is a gap in the wiring which the spark current must jump. Making the spark jump intensifies it. The concept has been discussed on this forum. True, the electrical system on that car may have been de - tuned. Intensify the spark and it runs better. Probably little benefit to a well tune car.
 
Well, Sir, i was very young way back then, probably about ten or so. I hadn't had any formal training in the actual running or operation of autos, but, it did seem strange that every time his engine smoothed out, he had pressed down with the board under his foot. I think i was around 11 or 12, but us kids always spent a lot of time staying at the farm, with our Maternal Grand-parents. And, the high-light of that was the day we'd go to the big Butler Fair, out on Rt. 422, near Butler, Pa.
Grampaw had a 1930 Chevy 4-door sedan, and we'd all pile in, with our picnic basket, and a dollar or two to spend, and away we'd go. It was about 15 miles to the fair grounds, and oh, the sights to see along the way, and back home again. And, the things to see and do at the Fair! To our eyes, it was as good or better than anything else! Except, maybe, the day the thrasher guy brought the big thrashing machine to the farm, to thrash the wheat and oats! (we and everybody called that wonderful machine a "Thrasher", a local name for the thresher, now called a separator, but our use of a separator was to get the cream out of the milk.
Thanks fer the reply, and getting me educated!
Rusty J.
 
(quoted from post at 20:33:50 01/11/10) Actually that thing he sold that went between the coil and the distributor worked.

Well........they only worked to a point. Champion and others I'm sure made "spark gap" plugs, and do you remember the infamous Delco V8 rotors that came in "long" and "short" rotor contacts?

I believe with most any modern electronic ignition---which generates much more pulse power--this gap would only cause problems. The main reason it worked was that it allowed pulse voltage to climb and develop more power than at a lower firing voltage.
 
I really doubt they are made by the Amish,They dont use electricity, It shows them doing the woodwork but all the Amish I know just laugh when I ask them if they are Amish made. Some I know have a generator to charge batterys but not to produce heat,they either use wood or gas to heat with.And all the ones I know are great people,I never have seen one with BO or dirty in any way.There usually is a big difference between the Mennonites and the Amish,
 
I was looking for information on Amish Heaters and I found a website advertising Amish Nuclear Heaters that you don't even need to plug in. It looks like the ads you see in the paper but I don't know if it's a scam or what because it says it runs on nuclear fuel and that sounds dangerous. Just do a search for Amish Nuclear Heaters and you'll see it. I'd love to get heat without paying for electricity but I don't want to get ripped off.
 
(quoted from post at 18:30:57 01/16/10) I was looking for information on Amish Heaters and I found a website advertising Amish Nuclear Heaters that you don't even need to plug in. It looks like the ads you see in the paper but I don't know if it's a scam or what because it says it runs on nuclear fuel and that sounds dangerous. Just do a search for Amish Nuclear Heaters and you'll see it. I'd love to get heat without paying for electricity but I don't want to get ripped off.

Maybe I could get a few used few bundles for the Amish Heater "engineers" to experiment with. The 30yr old bundles still give off 1-3KW each and the dose is less than 100rem per hour.
A full days testing then back into the flask with the bundles. The "Amish engineers" will have that warm feeling of success for about a week.
 

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