Beaurocracy.....

Over the last couple years, we bought a couple small places and, on one, built a 10x30 ft leanto type building with a 20x30 foot paddock of grass pavers then leveleled/built up a place and built a roundpen. The other has the same building in 10x20ft w/ a 20x20 paddock. The second one, I had up w/ rafters and, while waiting for the roof metal, was laying and filling the pavers. Coming back with the last load of gravel, I find a guy with a notebook, ruler, and camera checking things out. Turns out, a farmer can build anything he wants and up to 1000 sq ft without permission. I'm not a farmer, so can't build on my own property outside town. So, we've been going thru hoops for the last year to get our horse operation recognized as something more than a hobby. The whole time until I got fed up and put the metal on the second roof, the horses had tarps for roof and walls and looked like sh!t. Now, after dealiong with a guy that made up the rules as we went along, we have someone coming in the morning to look the place over and give his opinion (which will be the decider).
Think everything will go Ok. If so, we'll be there with bells on to collect every dime that other farmers get, every tax break, AND, just for the he!! of it, I'll add on to the existing buildings or build a second on each property and the home place.
Kicker is, if I had a couple of cows or sheep, there would be no issue...

Done venting now....

Dave

This inspector walked onto your private property without being invited?And wasn't asked to leave or face trespassing charges?

Yeah but in wisconsin there are so many hobby farmers coming out into the country from town that now I have to pay more sales tax on stuff like calf huts and such. Why not just get a couple of beefers or something? I know what its like.

(quoted from post at 17:48:55 01/06/10) This inspector walked onto your private property without being invited?And wasn't asked to leave or face trespassing charges?

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Little different here......... I could have thrown the guy off the place, but would have had a notice within a week to tear everything down. They even measure sh!t piles... Can't be more than so many sq meters and in a different place each year.

A local guy took a piece of property out of production and was paid by the sq meter for it. He wasn't allowed to do anything to it at all. several years later, the hedges around it grew a bunch. They remeasured the piece and made him pay back the difference because the field was smaller.

Dave

Cows or sheep? Need pigs to make schnitzel. Germans don"t eat horses.

Put in some hops, that will make them happy.

Mywife and i went threw the very same thing and we have 50 Acres, and it is AG,Madison County Iowa
took us to court, They told us the vey same thing
you can build inless you have a permit to build.
So my wife and i went and picked up a copy of the AG/Farm rules and fought itThey lost.
Why:
1. We are AG, we have
2. 50 have Acres 20 til;
3. we sell a commodity {Hay}
madison county will tell you if 1/3 of an Acres or
a million Acres you are not a farmer unless you sell a commodity: in of story. Now you have to prove that you sell a commodity on your farm tax"s
come on lets get real.They lost on that issue
Now my wife a i are AG, excempt and are you ready for this one, we are {CERTIFIED} they gave us a
paper saying we are certified. I have been around farming all my life and i have NEVER HEARD OF A CERtified farmer HAS ANY ONE ELSE;
It all boild down to replacing the siptic tank
and bring it up to code, witch was done 4 years ago. This {BS} now we build any where we want on our property. other than a house.*****Beaurocracy.....IT STINKS
Good luck hang in there .. any thing can be a commodity REMEMBER THAT
From: JR FRYE

PS: Get a copy of the by laws they will help a bunch;; Stay warm see come spring if not before

Here in my area of New York (dairy farming area), it is true that a verfied farmer does not have to apply for buidling permits. The building still have to confrom to regs though. To qualify you have to prove you have a farm income and show a farm tax exempt #. Just having animals or growing crops does not do the trick.

I've been though similar nightmares and perhaps worse. Here where I live I tend build whatever I want and have never been challenged on it. I have no neighbors and lots of land. But, I've got some very remote land in the middle of the Adirondack Mountains and have had nothing but trouble trying to build a cabin. Why? Because I'm buildig it off-grid. No full time heating system except wood. DC electric by solar only, and a hand-pump water well. The code officer there maintains that New York only allows structures that meet residential code for a minimum of a one family residence. That means full time heat, proper natural lighting, hard-wired fire alarms, pressurized water system, inspected septic system, etc. I know he is wrong, but proving it is a different issue. I've gottten permit after permit, then stop stickers, then more permits, and this goes on and on. I'll be dead before I'm done.

JD, what town are you trying to build in. I built a log home with wood heat, solar with a 3.5kw Trace, propane fridge, haul drinking water from a spring 200 yds up the road and have a pump to get wash water from the lake. The grid ends 9 miles down the road. Don't get me going on the toilet. I just made a joke.

I don't know how things work in your part of Canada, but here in New York they are legally empowered to enter private property. Tax assessor and code enforcement officers. If you tell them no, all they have to do is call the sheriff and then enter your property, regardless if you like it or not.

Also, the act of illegal tresspass requires that you prove the person knew he/she was entering illegally. If a code officer feels he/she is entitled to enter, it's pretty hard to prove the charge. I wish I could.

Well, the last time I replied to that question, guess what? The code officer saw it and sent me an email. How the heck he did that, I don't know?

Well I'll watch what I say this time. He's a GREAT guy, does a GREAT job, and the town is Indian Lake in Hamilton County. Not far from Blue Mountain Lake, North Creek, and Speculator.

I've got a Trace/Xantrex DR inverter (mod-wave) also on a 12 volt system. Outback MX80 controller. 960 watts in solar panels. Drilled well wound up being full-time artesian. So, we have a hand-pump at the well, but it also feeds water to the cabin on its own with low pressure (never tried to cap the well to find out how much PSI it might make).

I was looking at Indian Lake when I was shopping 17 years ago, also Raquette and Blue. Your place anywhere near Sabel?

I'm way down in the southwest Adirondacks, town of Ohio. Used to live in W. Frankfort, so I could commute to work. Live near Syracuse now. It's a 2 hour trip now. Know it's got to be 3 or 4 for you to get up to your place.

beneficiaries may appreciate it..

I think Id be getting a couple of cows (calves maybe?) to keep around the place!

My wife has told me more than once that I'm certifiable. I always thought she meant something else...

The same goes here in Michigan. Years back, I was out walking my dogs, I came back alond the road, to find the county supervisor standing on my property, I was behind him. He turned around to see me and my 2 mongrels ( 100+ lbs @ ) standing there. He about had a heart attack. I was friendly, just shook his hand, he was pretty relieved, never got a hassle from those folks.