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buickanddeere
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Forget about it sonny. Who is going to take such a chintzy bit of bait.
james rumph
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Repost this in the tractor pulling section to find out the sad truth. Deer season is open here.
Handyman
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Dont leave your tractor out in the pasture and you wouldnt need to be pulling your critters off it. 
Anonymous-0
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At the tractor pulls here they say "Nothing runs like a Deere, except a bad $ss International..." Nothing seems to pull like the old 1066 IHs
buickanddeere
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How is the T/A doing in that IH ? Is it "out" or "nearly out" at the moment?
buickanddeere
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How is the T/A doing in that IH ? Is it "out" or "nearly out" at the moment?
greenbeanman in Kansas
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I'll simply take your word at which tractor will outpull the other. HOWEVER the Deere will do so ONLY if it can be kept running via service and parts.
When I bought my Ford from an old line dealer it was the ONLY dealer in the area that had been continuous for years. The Deere shop closed up when they couldn't make a go of it and then a new dealer bought it. Not knowing if it too would close I chose Ford and have never been sorry that I saved the several thousand dollars of extra cost for green paint.
When I bought my Ford from an old line dealer it was the ONLY dealer in the area that had been continuous for years. The Deere shop closed up when they couldn't make a go of it and then a new dealer bought it. Not knowing if it too would close I chose Ford and have never been sorry that I saved the several thousand dollars of extra cost for green paint.
buickanddeere
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If JD green paint is so overpriced? How do they compete with all the other brands and survive? Look at the price new, 100HP JD doesn't any more than 100HP of brand X.
There are no other companies other than the mergered and remergered combination remains of all the other brands including Ford.It's a New Holland dealer now to find Ford parts.
Is that original Ford Dealer still in business? I'll wager more JD dealers are still in business from 40 years ago than Ford dealers.
There are no other companies other than the mergered and remergered combination remains of all the other brands including Ford.It's a New Holland dealer now to find Ford parts.
Is that original Ford Dealer still in business? I'll wager more JD dealers are still in business from 40 years ago than Ford dealers.
Anonymous-0
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I dont think they use thr TA in tractor pulling. Im talking the up to 3 turbo, smoker diesels pulling a weight trasfer sled. Most guys around here have the old 1066s. Check out nypta.com.J
buickanddeere
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Around here they unhook the tractor from the baler. Drive to town on fair day and pull the transfer sled.
Anonymous-0
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Ya, we have "otta the field" pulls too !
!John Deere 2520
Nebraska Tractor Test 992:
Test Date: October 1968
Type: Syncro-Range
Engine: diesel
PTO power (rated engine speed): 61.3 hp [45.7 kW]
PTO fuel use (engine speed): 4.0 gal/hour [15.1 l/hour]
Drawbar power (max): 52.4 hp [39.1 kW]
Drawbar fuel use (max): 3.9 gal/hour [14.8 l/hour]
Nebraska Tractor Test 993:
Test Date: October 1968
Type: Power-Shift
Engine: diesel
PTO power (rated engine speed): 56.3 hp [42.0 kW]
PTO fuel use (engine speed): 4.2 gal/hour [15.9 l/hour]
Drawbar power (max): 45.9 hp [34.2 kW]
Drawbar fuel use (max): 4.0 gal/hour [15.1 l/hour]
Ford 5000
Nebraska Tractor Test 879:
Test Date: March 16 - April 9, 1965
Type: 8-speed 2WD
Engine: 233 diesel
PTO power (rated engine speed): 55.96 hp [41.7 kW]
PTO fuel use (engine speed): 3.6 gal/hour [13.6 l/hour]
PTO power (rated PTO speed): 53.30 hp [39.7 kW]
PTO fuel use (PTO speed): 3.2 gal/hour [12.1 l/hour]
Drawbar power (max): 47.65 hp [35.5 kW]
Drawbar fuel use (max): 3.6 gal/hour [13.6 l/hour]
Test report: PDF file
Nebraska Tractor Test 880:
Test Date: March 18 - April 10, 1965
Type: Select-O-Speed 2WD
Engine: 233 diesel
PTO power (rated engine speed): 54.17 hp [40.4 kW]
PTO fuel use (engine speed): 3.5 gal/hour [13.2 l/hour]
PTO power (rated PTO speed): 51.49 hp [38.4 kW]
PTO fuel use (PTO speed): 3.2 gal/hour [12.1 l/hour]
Drawbar power (max): 45.32 hp [33.8 kW]
Drawbar fuel use (max): 3.5 gal/hour [13.2 l/hour]
Test report: PDF file
Nebraska Tractor Test 992:
Test Date: October 1968
Type: Syncro-Range
Engine: diesel
PTO power (rated engine speed): 61.3 hp [45.7 kW]
PTO fuel use (engine speed): 4.0 gal/hour [15.1 l/hour]
Drawbar power (max): 52.4 hp [39.1 kW]
Drawbar fuel use (max): 3.9 gal/hour [14.8 l/hour]
Nebraska Tractor Test 993:
Test Date: October 1968
Type: Power-Shift
Engine: diesel
PTO power (rated engine speed): 56.3 hp [42.0 kW]
PTO fuel use (engine speed): 4.2 gal/hour [15.9 l/hour]
Drawbar power (max): 45.9 hp [34.2 kW]
Drawbar fuel use (max): 4.0 gal/hour [15.1 l/hour]
Ford 5000
Nebraska Tractor Test 879:
Test Date: March 16 - April 9, 1965
Type: 8-speed 2WD
Engine: 233 diesel
PTO power (rated engine speed): 55.96 hp [41.7 kW]
PTO fuel use (engine speed): 3.6 gal/hour [13.6 l/hour]
PTO power (rated PTO speed): 53.30 hp [39.7 kW]
PTO fuel use (PTO speed): 3.2 gal/hour [12.1 l/hour]
Drawbar power (max): 47.65 hp [35.5 kW]
Drawbar fuel use (max): 3.6 gal/hour [13.6 l/hour]
Test report: PDF file
Nebraska Tractor Test 880:
Test Date: March 18 - April 10, 1965
Type: Select-O-Speed 2WD
Engine: 233 diesel
PTO power (rated engine speed): 54.17 hp [40.4 kW]
PTO fuel use (engine speed): 3.5 gal/hour [13.2 l/hour]
PTO power (rated PTO speed): 51.49 hp [38.4 kW]
PTO fuel use (PTO speed): 3.2 gal/hour [12.1 l/hour]
Drawbar power (max): 45.32 hp [33.8 kW]
Drawbar fuel use (max): 3.5 gal/hour [13.2 l/hour]
Test report: PDF file
a.rothermel
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i think they are pretty close to even. The ford is more fuel efficient. The 2520 i drove didn't seem like it could pull anything, even for its size. I have never drove a 5000 but i dont think either one of them could pull enough to brag about.
I've been holding off jumping in on this but no longer. A very similar topic was done a couple days ago and I thought both tractors had their merits. Now I will say my preference and that is the 2520 diesel. I've seen a couple in operation around the area for quite some time and have had a chance to run that and a 5000 (early). I have always liked the row crop tractors more than the utilities. Still getting syncro-range (if not powershift) transmission and the hydraulics makes it hard to look away from a 2520. People that have not run a 2520 diesel do not realize how fuel efficient they are and they have all kinds of torque. Talking about it now makes me wish I had one. Just my opinion.
james rumph
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Bob:
All the NE test info is just base line info, in the real world it rarely matchs up.
I run a antique tractor dyno service and have all the NE test info as well. I have spent the money to get calibrated and certified so i see the reality of things.
I have a freind with a Ford 7600 [turbo] stock and i believe it is only 231 cu inch.
This tractor pulls very well all the way up into the 7000 lbs class. So we really can't go by printed data.
It doesn't matter the brand they all have there day. I really hate the Deere guys wineing about TAs , this the way they came.
If you don't like pulling against them maybe you should change brands.
Anonymous-0
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Apparently you haven't bought many new tractors lately or you wouldn't make such ridiculous comments. There are multitudes of brands of 100 hp tractors that'll sell way under what Deere wants for theirs.
Corporate success and/or failure has very little to do with quality of product in most cases. Anyone with even very limited understanding could fathom that. I see you can't.
It's nice you have such brand loyalty. Most kids are that way. Some day when you grow up, you'll begin to understand reality.
Corporate success and/or failure has very little to do with quality of product in most cases. Anyone with even very limited understanding could fathom that. I see you can't.
It's nice you have such brand loyalty. Most kids are that way. Some day when you grow up, you'll begin to understand reality.
buickanddeere
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Sorry that your Grandpappy's and Daddy's tractor company is no more and your tractor is an orphan.
Don't know where you have been shopping to not know tractor prices. Have you been faithfully listening to Bubba down at the diner spouting off again?
Used prices at auctions should indicate to you the retained value of JD equipment and the company backing it up.
Don't know where you have been shopping to not know tractor prices. Have you been faithfully listening to Bubba down at the diner spouting off again?
Used prices at auctions should indicate to you the retained value of JD equipment and the company backing it up.
Actually, I think if you go about pricing new Deere VS NH, Massey, Challenger, CaseIH or Fendt you'd find that there isn't much difference when comparing apples to apples. I think in some cases you'll find the Deere to be cheaper. IN other cases the competition will be cheaper. It would depend largely on how bad a given dealer wants to do the deal...
Rod
Rod
Anonymous-0
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That's the biggest load of crappe I've read since your last post. My "garnddaddy's" tractor company is still in existance, just with a different owner. How about the huge loss's Deere logged last year? What about their 28% loss in business? What about their 14% loss in market share in the last year? Sounds like a toilet flushing in Moline if you ask me.
Don't hang out at the diner. That's for non-working slugs like yourself.
Don't hang out at the diner. That's for non-working slugs like yourself.
Anonymous-0
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I HAVE compared. I've bought 5 new tractors in the last 2 years for my business. Deere is CONSISTANTLY higher, apples to apples. So you turning into a green weenie too? I THOUGHT you knew better. Guess not huh?
I think it depends 99% on the dealer and how bad they want to do the deal.
You are aware that OEM pricing to dealers is different for dealers depending on their volume?
My former NH dealer, before he quit told me that he could go to a major dealer in Ontario and buy a new tractor outright from them cheaper than he could buy FROM NewHolland through his normal channels as a dealer... so there are inequalities in the network right from the start. I doubt Deere handles their dealers much, if any differently. That's how they shut down dealers. Price them out of business.
So no... I don't buy the notion that Deere is automatically more expensive. I know of Deere's that are on farms around here because they were cheaper and they wouldn't be there if they wern't cheaper...
I also buy enough parts from both Deere and NH to not believe the stories about deere pricing. Some things from Deere I actually find VERY reasonable. It more often than not is the result of a design they haven't changed in 2 generations... so it kinda gives them reduced development costs and reduced inventory costs.
Other things I buy from Deere I find rediculous. I find that both Deere and NH have some of both...
Cat is another. Some things are foolish. Some things that you'd think would be expensive are quite cheap. I've bought Cat injectors for 100 bucks. Not out of line... and probably cheaper than a CAV injector. Exhaust parts are another story...
I also got a couple of axle lock tabs from Cat for a Ford axle that were 2 bucks more than NH... but Cat had them on the shelf and I didn't pay any freight, so in that sense were cheaper by about 10%.
Like everything else today, you just have to shop around...
Rod
You are aware that OEM pricing to dealers is different for dealers depending on their volume?
My former NH dealer, before he quit told me that he could go to a major dealer in Ontario and buy a new tractor outright from them cheaper than he could buy FROM NewHolland through his normal channels as a dealer... so there are inequalities in the network right from the start. I doubt Deere handles their dealers much, if any differently. That's how they shut down dealers. Price them out of business.
So no... I don't buy the notion that Deere is automatically more expensive. I know of Deere's that are on farms around here because they were cheaper and they wouldn't be there if they wern't cheaper...
I also buy enough parts from both Deere and NH to not believe the stories about deere pricing. Some things from Deere I actually find VERY reasonable. It more often than not is the result of a design they haven't changed in 2 generations... so it kinda gives them reduced development costs and reduced inventory costs.
Other things I buy from Deere I find rediculous. I find that both Deere and NH have some of both...
Cat is another. Some things are foolish. Some things that you'd think would be expensive are quite cheap. I've bought Cat injectors for 100 bucks. Not out of line... and probably cheaper than a CAV injector. Exhaust parts are another story...
I also got a couple of axle lock tabs from Cat for a Ford axle that were 2 bucks more than NH... but Cat had them on the shelf and I didn't pay any freight, so in that sense were cheaper by about 10%.
Like everything else today, you just have to shop around...
Rod
buickanddeere
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Only ford dealers around here sell trucks and automobiles.
Anonymous-0
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Rod, I respect what you say, however, around here in NY, used Deeres sell for big bucks,ie 72 JD4320 open, 7000 hrs $15,9000?? 70 JD 4520 $14,900, 84 JD 4450 $28,500, 76 JD 4640, 8500 HRS $15,000... Just a few I see in Tractor House. I'll take a Ford any day. J
buickanddeere
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The 100HP JD I purchase new today for the same price as a brand X 100HP tractor. Is going to depreciate less and be worth more on a trade in 10 years time than the brand X tractor. I just saved $$$ by trading a 10yr old Deere vs a 10 yr old brand X on a new tractor.
Used, yes... That goes on around here too. On the other hand I own some Deere junk that I didn't pay any more for than I would NH or any other brand. I've also got some Deere stuff here that I paid more for than I should have because I needed it, the dealer knew I needed it and wasn't going to deal on it...
A lot of these values and prices that people place on things are perceived value, not actual value... and I believe if you look around enough and deal hard enough you can get Deere's just as cheap as any other. It just depends on the situation.
Rod
A lot of these values and prices that people place on things are perceived value, not actual value... and I believe if you look around enough and deal hard enough you can get Deere's just as cheap as any other. It just depends on the situation.
Rod
Anonymous-0
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Nope. Never said that. It's fairly evenly divided amongst AGCO, CNH, and multiple "minor players". Point is, Deere LOST sales, market share, and operated at more than a $200,000,000 loss over the last 12 months.
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