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Neat.
whizkidkyus
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Actually , less than a half mile from my house, there was a Civil War skirmish that took place here. It was never a major battle ,of course ,and I still don't know who won to this day and I've lived around here all my 34 years.
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Actually , less than a half mile from my house, there was a Civil War skirmish that took place here. It was never a major battle ,of course ,and I still don't know who won to this day and I've lived around here all my 34 years.
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olgentdc
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Every kid in school needs to study these Pictures .. And see the movie" Saving Private Ryan " to grasp the seriousness and somehow understand the mentality of War , It Is NOT GLORIOUS , ....Then perhaps the future generations can rationalize logical and Peaceful Solutions that are practical and do not commit such waste ,, ,, But I suppose that is Impossible in the World We live in , Where people chant to god and then rise up and want to kill someone ..
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Well, with the way that their trying to say that World War 2 never happened , I bet that next they'll be saying that the Civil War never happened , either.
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Stastics:
Counting casualities both North and South, more men were killed in the Civil War than all the other wars the US fought, up until the Vietnam War pushed the toatals above Civil War casualities.
SC sent 60,000 men to the Civil War, 40,000 became casualities, about 13,000 died. A considerable number of civilians starved.
The North had a lot more men die in battle than the South, but the North had a larger population.
One reason for large casualities: Up through the Napoleonic wars ending in the early 1800s, armies were armed with muzzleloading smoothbore flintlock muskets which could be loaded with a loose fitting round ball fairly rapidly, but was not accurate much over 50 yards. To get a mass of fire, soldiers lined up shoulder to shoulder with fixed bayonets and attacked the opposing army, preferably on level ground. By the time of the Civil War, armies had a gun with a rifled barrel fired by a percussion cap which was accurate at 200 yards. It could be loaded quickly because the bullet design had been changed to a long bullet with a hollow base. The thin part of the base expanded on firing to engage the rifling, making the gun more accurate while keeping the speed of loading. The clever generals kept the old tactics of lining the men up shoulder to shoulder, however.
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I have a hard time believing anyone is foolish enough to believe that.
TomH in PA
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While I agree that people should understand the realities of war, the movie Saving Private Ryan is a terrible example. It was way too full of Spielberg's preaching and biased view of the world.
You Tube videos of WWII such as the invasions of Tarawa or the Philippines are more realistic. And if you want to understand the mentality of why force was used instead of a "logical and Peaceful Solution", read up on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre">the Rape of Nanking (caution, very graphic description and pictures of real war, not Hollywood's version)</a>.
You Tube videos of WWII such as the invasions of Tarawa or the Philippines are more realistic. And if you want to understand the mentality of why force was used instead of a "logical and Peaceful Solution", read up on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre">the Rape of Nanking (caution, very graphic description and pictures of real war, not Hollywood's version)</a>.
teddy52food
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My great grandpa was a sargent and was shot in the arm. The doctors cut it off. He was given 160 acres of land in Minnesota in compensation for his wounds. He was buried on that land in 1874. I own 40 acres of the original 160 & his grave is still there. I didn't see his face in those pictures.
I've heard of folks who don't believe 'we' went to the moon, folks who deny that the Holocaust happened and .........unbeliveable as it sounds.......even folks who doubt the existence of the ETD, but someone who says WWII never happened????????? We are so far back in the sticks that Monday's sunshine gets here Tuesday afternoon, but even we believe that WWII was real.
I have a hard time believing that anyone who has an objective thought pattern could not believe that. Our soldiers go where they are sent, and we must support them for that. It's the people that send them that I don't always support. In our present situation - 14 of the hijackers were Saudis, so we go to war with Iraq. Kinda like kicking the dog 'cause the cat scratched you. I'm all for a strong defense of our nation, and our allies, but I didn't understand this from the git-go. Looks to me like we'll be handing the keys to Iran when we leave. I promise you - those people will still be looking for someone to fight with when we leave, no matter how much money we send over there, and no matter how many of our precious soldier's lives are lost or ruined. Afghanistan? I agreed with going after Bin Ladin, but WHY did we give him a month's notice that we were coming? Could it be that he's the goose that lays the golden egg?
I respect your right to disagree with me, and I support your disagreement with me, respectful debate is healthy, but these are the questions that I can't help but wonder about as I'm rolling around the farm on my old JD's.
I sorry if this gets an otherwise good post deleted.
By the way - back to the subject - those are excellent civil war photos. Thank you for the link.
Paul
I respect your right to disagree with me, and I support your disagreement with me, respectful debate is healthy, but these are the questions that I can't help but wonder about as I'm rolling around the farm on my old JD's.
I sorry if this gets an otherwise good post deleted.
By the way - back to the subject - those are excellent civil war photos. Thank you for the link.
Paul
ScottyHOMeY
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In keeping with what TomH said below . . .
War is an awful and horrifying thing. Soldiers often die horrible deaths. They and their officers are faced with soul-rending decisions, often with next-to-nothing for time in which to make them. It's the nature of the exercise that makes adequate training for those decisions all but impossible.
I don't know of a warrior who hopes to see battle, but we should all be grateful that there are folks willing and trained to enter that profession.
War is an awful and horrifying thing. Soldiers often die horrible deaths. They and their officers are faced with soul-rending decisions, often with next-to-nothing for time in which to make them. It's the nature of the exercise that makes adequate training for those decisions all but impossible.
I don't know of a warrior who hopes to see battle, but we should all be grateful that there are folks willing and trained to enter that profession.
Anonymous-0
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Jim, I simply cannot believe you'd be anti-war. That's the position of the hippies and the commies and the people who are destroying our country! The people who keep our nation strong are not only in favor of war, but if there's not one going on, they'll start one somewhere, so our boys can have the opportunity to go there and die and become heroes. It's the folks who are for peacefully getting along with everybody else--what the TRUE patriots call "sitting in a circle around the campfire singing Kum-Bah-Yah"--who are ONLY out to destroy our nation and our way of life.
I just never thought I'd hear that you've become so anti-American as to want peace, instead of being patriotic and wanting more war, more troops in more places around the world [because that's what keeps America strong], and more heroes for American cemeteries and hospital wards.
[Sarcasm off now]
I just never thought I'd hear that you've become so anti-American as to want peace, instead of being patriotic and wanting more war, more troops in more places around the world [because that's what keeps America strong], and more heroes for American cemeteries and hospital wards.
[Sarcasm off now]
whizkidkyus
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I know , Thurlow , but I've heard about it happening , folks that want to believe that W. W. 2 never happened and that the Jewish were never in the concentration camps because of Hitler ( no offense to the Jewish people ) . It was mostly directed at the Jewish and Hitler, as that part of W W 2 never happened , not necessarily the whole war. As my link says there are some that think that Hitler was the Jewish peoples' best friend. But if they believe this , then what's next ?? Next thing you know they'll be saying that the Revoluntary War , the Vietnam War and the Korean War , along with all our other wars up to Desert Storm never happened.
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The Holocaust Never Happened.
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The Holocaust Never Happened.
Anonymous-0
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This in reply to teddy52food,
My wifes cousin was enlisted in the first Minnesota light artillery and was killed at the battle of Shiloh....the first day. He had emigrated from Norway to Arhendal, in southeasten Minnesota, enlisted in the army in November 1861 and was killed in April 1862, the following spring. Pardon me if I don't have the dates quite correct.
My great grandfather was enlisted in the 1st Pennsylvania light Artillery, Battery F. He was bugler so had a horse. He was in for the entire war but never wounded although he had the horse shot out from under him at least once. We have his diary which we took to Gettysburg and read as we stood on the very places he wrote about... really creepy!
He saw the worst of it.
Cal
My wifes cousin was enlisted in the first Minnesota light artillery and was killed at the battle of Shiloh....the first day. He had emigrated from Norway to Arhendal, in southeasten Minnesota, enlisted in the army in November 1861 and was killed in April 1862, the following spring. Pardon me if I don't have the dates quite correct.
My great grandfather was enlisted in the 1st Pennsylvania light Artillery, Battery F. He was bugler so had a horse. He was in for the entire war but never wounded although he had the horse shot out from under him at least once. We have his diary which we took to Gettysburg and read as we stood on the very places he wrote about... really creepy!
He saw the worst of it.
Cal
TomH in PA
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"I don't know. Part of me thinks the kid's right. He asks what he's done to deserve this. He wants to stay here, fine. Let's leave him and go home. But then another part of me thinks, what if by some miracle we stay, then actually make it out of here. Someday we might look back on this and decide that saving Private Ryan was the one decent thing we were able to pull out of this whole godawful,$#^%^ mess. Like you said, Captain, maybe we do that, we all earn the right to go home. "
flying belgian
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My brother lives in Leesburg Va. and I went out to see him perhaps 10 years ago. He took us around to see many of the places on the photos. That part of the country is so rich with civil war history and revelutionary history.
History Channel aired some footage all last week WWII in HD, most if not all was color footage, and very graphic, the numbers of all aspects of this war are staggering, so is the scale of the events that took place. One thing is for sure, there is no shortage of death and destruction, "War is Hell" like was said, when you see some of this footage,and listen to some of the surviving veterans speak about what they went through, nothing glorious about it, they had a job to do, most times under horrific conditions, the footage they aired provides a glimpse of that, so do the veterans they interviewed.
Anonymous-0
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These people are loonies who in this case want their 15 seconds of fame, don't give it to them by repeating their stupidity.
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