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Wendell Burton

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I have a '66 4020 that I would consider to be about 95% restored. I use this as a working tractor and not a show piece but I like to keep it looking good and in good working order. I've had it a long time, I know it well and I like it. Alot. My neighbor is a JD nut and has a large collection of fully restored tractors of all types. Some old AC's, Olivers, lots of JD's, Internationals, etc... He has a 1066 that is showroom condition. He does not work his equipment. He has offered me an even trade for the 4020. I'm guessing my 4020 would sell for around 10k. His 1066 could bring 13-15k. Money is not a huge issue but it really tempts me. The 1066 is a sweet looking machine but a bit bigger than what I need. Whatcha think?
 
Why do you want to??? Around 'here', for the tractors as described, the JD is worth about one and a half times as much as the IH.
 
A toss up! One thing for sure, the 4020 will definately run out of horse power before the 10 will. I also think the 1066 is easier on fuel mainly because of the turbo. Make dang sure the T/A is solid on the 10! That is one thing that if it is not maintained, is a big ticket item when replaced.
 
The 4020 was competition to the IH 806 which I think both were around 94 factory hp. The 1066 was factory hp 120 but most came out the factory running way over that. I have one neighbor that has a late JD 4020 that has the power shift transmission and still uses it right along with his new tractors. Said he will never give it up.
 
"Here" is west central NC. I'm a big JD and 4020 fan but this 1066 is immaculate. The 4020 is a little big for my hay operation (1066 is way too big). I've been thinking of selling the 4020 for something in the 60-80HP range. Around here I think I could get more for the 1066 due to it's excellent condition and buy what I need and pick up some much needed cash.
 
The 4020 syncro-shift is a little difficult but you get used to it. I'm testing the 1066 over the Thanksgiving weekend. I've heard the shifting on a 1066 can be tough also.
 
I like to go to the auction in sikeston mo where they hold a tractor and equipment auction 2X a month and the last auction I went to in oct. a 4020 diesel was bringing $5,200.00 to $9,600.00 The gas Deers were running $3,500.00 to $5,750.00 The rough IH 1066's were bringing around $4,750.00 to $6,500.00 and the good looking 1066's were running around $9,000.00 to $13,500.00
 
Iv got both,,,,,,The IH has a cab with a heater but i still use my 4010 99% of the time,,,,,Now im up to 3 4010s and i really like running them,,,,,,,,,the 1066 is just a bear,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Im talking loader work and cutting and bailing now,,,,,,,,,,,,,,for tillage i think id opt for the IH as they have a strong engine,,,,,,,,,,,,the JDs engines just did not have enough oil capacity for long hard pulling,,,,,,imho........
 
Well. I'll sum it up this way - there's a reason why there's a much higher percentage of old 4020's still being used than 1066's and it's not just because they're green.

Buy the 1066 if you don't mind inferior hydraulics, gear grinding and bad TA's.Jim
 
The question is, what do you need it for? If you are going to do field work I'd take the 1066. I've seen them do everything from pull a 24' disk to 28' feild cultivator and are pretty good on fuel. They are easy to turn the power up to the 140-150 hp range. That's why so many of them have been parted out - they were used like a 1466/1486 and came out about the time farming was getting tight. The 1066 is a pretty big clumsy tractor to use with a loader or a 7' brush hog though.

If you only have lighter work I'd keep the 4020.
 
the 1066 is very highly regarded. Make sure it is a good one though because those tractors were turned up and worked very hard. The 4020 is the highest regarded tractor and it doesnt seem to really have any problems. if you need the power go fo the IH but if your happy with what you got why change anything?
 
Boy, I dunno Pard,

That 1066 is a lot of tractor for a hay field.

The only hay mine sees is on the transport sled where I need the weight to keep the tail from waggin' the dog.

Allan
 
If it was me I would jump all over it. But I"m partial to IH. I had a 4020 powershift and liked it OK but it wasn"t as good as most JD guys claimed. It boils down to what you want, both are good tractors and both have their faults. I bale hay in the Arkansas hills and the extra HP for the 1066 would be a plus.
 
The 1066 is the way to go! I have a black stripe 1066 that is good on fuel, powerful, and it is just a HOSS!
 
(quoted from post at 15:41:56 11/24/09) I have a '66 4020 that I would consider to be about 95% restored. I use this as a working tractor and not a show piece but I like to keep it looking good and in good working order. I've had it a long time, I know it well and I like it. Alot. My neighbor is a JD nut and has a large collection of fully restored tractors of all types. Some old AC's, Olivers, lots of JD's, Internationals, etc... He has a 1066 that is showroom condition. He does not work his equipment. He has offered me an even trade for the 4020. I'm guessing my 4020 would sell for around 10k. His 1066 could bring 13-15k. Money is not a huge issue but it really tempts me. The 1066 is a sweet looking machine but a bit bigger than what I need. Whatcha think?
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If you like grinding gears, but the 1066.

SAVE A TA! DRIVE A JOHN DEERE!!
 
If as you mentioned, your intent is to sell the 1066 and buy a smaller tractor, more suited to haying, then it"s all on you to look at the re-sale value of your Deere vs the IH 1066. The 4020 is a great tractor, but quite possibly the most over-rated tractor ever. (Deere"s have a tendency to be put on a pedestal by their faithful followers) The 1066 is a great tractor and somewhat under appreciated. All in all, the Deere would be a better compromise as a hayfield tractor though. If you wanted a tillage tractor, the 1066 will walk all over a 4020. No comparison. A closer comparison would be a 4430 Deere. (In that case, I"d take the 1066 in a heartbeat. NOT a 4430 fan)

But they both have their strengths and weaknesses. With either you"re looking at tractors 35 to 45 years old and most likely well used. At this point, it ISN"T about which is more of a "legend" as it is individual condition of two older tractors. I"ve ran both, and wouldn"t shy away from either if both were in good shape. But, as mentioned, they"re two distinctively different types of tractors.
 
I don't think I would keep the 1066 for hay. Too big. Maybe a better resale value though. Now, what the heck would I replace the 1066 with? Hmmm.
 
As I said, the 4020 may bring 10k. I think I could get, possibly, up to 13-15k if I was lucky for the 1066. So then what? I still need a good solid work tractor for hay. I haven't put alot of thought into that part yet. Plenty of time until next season...
 
It's a little hilly here but nothing a 60-80Hp couldn't handle with ease. The 1066 is overkill but like I've told the other guys, it sure is purty! Purty don't bale hay.
 
just from reading all these replies I would guess that most of these guys know what an owners manual is for, they should read it sometime.
as for the trade, day in and day out they will sell for close to the same money in the same shape and the farther we go in time the 4020 will only go down from there.
anyone ever try to pull a 13inch auger with a 4020?just about as much fun as watch a clock tick in wet corn.
 
what is so terrible about a 1066 for making hay? for a couple years i used a 1456 to make our hay, 9' discbine, a dolly wheel rake, round baler. really liked using that tractor, and it was the smallest we had then. i actually raked hay with the same little dolly wheel new holland 256 rake and pulled it with a 8770 new holland with single rear wheels and 4wd. it was a demo for us and i figured what the heck. it got around ok. times have changed and now i am have my own equipment for hay and my big tractor is a farmall 656 and i want to get something bigger to pull my discbine.
 
I have been reading this and getting a kick out of it. I have john deere, cih and ih tractors today. we farmed at one time 13 hundred acers crops in the 70's thru the late 80's with a jd 4020, 4440- ih 1256 ,856,& a 1066. now I can be nuteral in this and tell you like it is. The 1066 did most of the heavy work. we pulled back then 5-16's plow with the 1066 & the 4440 along with a 20ft disc & harrow.the 1066 had a little more ump than the 4440. not much difference between the 856 & 4020. could get a little more traction with the 856 may just a little more horse on the bottom end. as far as shifting, well the 4440 was power shift.the 1256 & 1066 shifted the same. my 1256 never had a ta and the 1066 never had any trouble. we used the 1066 more than the 4440 because we could not keep the rear end together in it . as far as parts, everything is high today but jd are higher. anybody tells you different they are full of it. my jd 9650 combine cost a whole more than my 2388 cih on price of parts.
 
I have used both 4020 and IH 1066. If it was up to me I would look real hard to find a Hydro 70 or 100 then I would trade the JD,sell the IH and buy the Hydro. I"ve got a friend who just got a hydro this summer and that is one sweet hay making machine. Frank
 
Regardless of what is said here the only thing that matters is the history of the tractors you are looking at. Some people do good and get a lot of hours out of a TA but a lot wind up getting abused and that gets expensive (thousands). I would want the chance to try the 1066 at some heavy chore at your place or his to know all is in order. Generally, I think the IH 400 series (414, 436) have more raw power but I think the Deeres have the better rear end and hydraulics.
Unless the 4020 is getting tired and needs big dollars I would stay with the tractor you know.
 
If you do anything trade or sell the 4020 and buy a 3020. If it doesn't have quite enough power put a M&W Turbo on it. If your syncro shift doesn't shift well it may need adjusted. As far as not having 2 remotes on your 4020 you could always add 1.
 
interesting! in my part of the country the 4020 would bring 8 to 10 thousand
the 1066 between 5 and 6500
 
After reading all the posts and spending many hours on both tractors the 1066 is a victim of I want much more for less like let's turn it up, dual it and hang saddle tanks and pull the whole farm behind it like 24' disks along with drills sprayers etc. They could have got a 14 or 15 but let me use it up and let someone else deal with it when I trade it in with over three doller corn in the early 70s who cares. As a dealer I've seen so many 10 rearends at our local IH dealer with bull pinions with teeth you could shave with it's no wonder tractors today cost the way they do. The 10s and 14s were one of the best tractors of the era they're just a victim of the times. The 4000 series JDs just weren't a match. Those of us who lived it knew it.
 
Again I ask, where is this fantasy land?
I could stand to make that kinda money, got pretty much all winter to do it so let me know.
 
Might want to ask billonthefarm as he has the Christmas assortments (IH and JD). He might still be busy however getting the rest of the corn in.
Weather took a turn for the worse here in central Illinois, AGAIN!
 
If you want to know what dealers across the country are asking for the red and green tractors, just look in magazines like tractor house, fastline or U.S. farmer and check out the prices. Thoes magazines are also on line. Looks like all across the country 1066's are running up to 15,000.00 . Avg on the 1066's are around 9-10,000.00 and the 4020 around 8 to 9,000.00. Thats avg it out
 
I have read through many of the posts here and on the JD site. Everyone wants to compare the two, it seems if they want to do head to head comparisons they should be talking 4320 and 1066.

Anyway, to answer your question; based on your comments I believe you in your situation would be disappointed with the 1066. You said the 4020 works well for what you want it to do, the 1066 may be a little big. If what you do requires manuverability and shifting stick with the 4020. If you want brute stength and don't shift much, go for the 1066. I have driven a 1066, I like the engine but I don't like the way it shifts and I hate the noisy rear end, and the tractor does not have many hours on it. Paul
 
Load it on a truck heading east. Just about anywhere. I'd certainly agree with the 5K estimate on the IH. It would just be big, stupid wheel spinning power around here. Good for nothing but a pull type forage harvester or silo blower and the 5K estimate is not far off.
The Deere is not really ~worth~ any more, but the Deere syndicate seems to keep the prices higher. I'd not be surprised to see the 4020 bring 10K or more. It's just that there are people out there that look for them the same as there are some who look for 8N's and Ford 5000's. 100 plus HP 2wd's don't seem to draw that kind of nostalgia 'here'.

Rod
 
It should shift in and out easily. And when you do shift it, the action or reaction should be crisp and there should be no noise.
 
If those are what you both consider fair values in your area for those tractors, then I wonder what his game is. What does he want with your 4020 if he could sell the IH for more money and then buy the 4020? Or... is there something about your 4020 that makes it worth more (and mabey you don't know and he does)?
If you want a smaller tractor, why not just sell him the Deere and you go buy whatever tractor makes you happy? Leave his binder out of it... or does he need rid of the binder to swing the deal?
That's what I wonder about. Why? What's in it for him?

Rod
 
I see that same situation here in Michigan. Maybe MR I know everything Red from Minnesota needs to read Wisconsins AgriView magazine, he will find out that 9 and 10s are bringing less than good 4020, especially late powershift units.
 
did I hurt your sensative little feeling?
buy and sell a little equipment so anyone want to tell me a location I would be willing to trade same shape 4020s for 1066s for $2K a pop all day long.
Like I said before they are about dead even around here, a 4020 does about as much good as a lawn mower on 95% of the farms anymore.
Atleast a 1066 can still handle an auger, 4020 can not even handle that.
 
how far east?
4020s around here are running around $8K average,10s are right with them maybe 500 more and that is about it.
wet here all fall and alot of them left the lots to run augers to handle all the wet corn.
 
Kinda what I"ve been thinking all along. On the other hand, I"ve traded a few tractors over the years where the other party just HAD to have what I had to trade. Other than that, this thread has been a real hoot.
 
Back in the day neighbor had a 1066 and we had a 4430. We were both pulling 5-18s in 40 rod field next to each other. I just could not keep up with him.
 
One, in this case we aren't talking about a late model powershift. ('66 syncro) and the 1066 is SUPPOSEDLY mint.

And for whatever it's worth, I don't know of ANY intelligent equipment jockeys that'll give a firm price quote on ANY tractor without seeing them up close and personal. You/we can speculate until the cows come home, but no way on earth can anyone give a solid price one TWO tractors without seeing either.

Then there's all the ridiculous stories/wives tales in this thread. Both tractors are/were great tractors in their day. EITHER could be mint....either could be junkers.
 
Honestly I question your logic that the 4020 is a little big for your prposes. I always want my equipment a little bigger than necessary. You get better fuel economy and if you get in bad conditions you have a little more juice. I think you are hoping to make a buck and if you get burned you'l regret the whole thing. Stick with what you got and you know what you have. Just my opinion.
 
Hogwash, there is no reason a close to 100 horse tractor can not handle an auger. I have run a 10x51 with a 3020. You need to take off your red blinders.
 
Nova Scotia...
It's not so much that the Deere is worth a lot more here. It's just that the big 2 wheel drives, IH included are not worth much.
I watched a 1086 (I think) sell for around 6K at auction a year ago. The thing here.... anyone that's using a tractor that size wants MFWD here. There's a bit more market for an 80-90 horse utility 2WD. Not much more, but a bit more.

Rod
 
I guess if you have all day to unload a truck it would work.
try a 4020 on a 13-71 with wet corn in it once and get back to me on that one.
It will give a 1066 a nice load, but then when you want to move 7500bu an hour it takes a little power.
 
more or less the same on the mfd here, a 10 is a little easier to move than a 4020 here due to the fact that a 10 can still do work and a 4020 is getting to small to do much anymore.
 
Ive owned and farmed with both tractors and like them both very much.I would probably just keep the 4020 as far as holding its value,parts availability,what I mean is there are getting to be several parts,even for my 1086 that are not being sold by CNH,especially the 3 point components.I always felt like the brakes were better on the 10 and 20 series Deeres than on our 66 series IH tractors also,but those 1066's do look and run nice too.
 
If you do get the 1066, every time you use the TA throw 50 cents in a can. That way you'll have the money to fix it. At least that's what my neighbor, a lifelong IH man and tractor mechanic, says. He adds: "As for me, I just don't use the damned thing."
 
Where did "binder" come from? My FIL calls IHs "binders" also. Other than yous two I have never heard of someone calling tham that.
 
Some good questions but easy to answer. He's trying to move towards a collection of mostly older Deere's. He's lives a half mile away and has seen and heard my 4020 for years. He knows I've taken care of it and it's in real good shape for a work tractor. The 1066 was professionally restored but doesn't fit his collection. He's got a great big'ol cooled and heated barn full of tractors. I'm gonna run the 1066 over this long weekend and check it out.
 
New one on me too. Never heard it before here on the east coast. The 1066's were more popular in the midwest I think. Maybe slang from that area?
 
To confirm; The 1066 was professionally restored. It's as good as it gets. My 4020 is about 90-95%. Runs great, looks good. It's a work tractor but you don't see too many this nice. There's a bunch of 4020s in this area that are beat but working. All that said, if I was buying either one I would have to see them
 
I'm pulling a Jd 1350 discbine And a midsize square baler. With the 4020 you don't know either one is back there. I really like that discbine. I would recommend it to about anyone.
 
We had both a 4020 and a 1066 at the same time. I always drove the 4020 and brother always drove the 1066. I could be out to the field and have a round made before the gears would stop rolling so you could engage the shift lever on the 1066!!! No comparison to the agility and handiness of the 4020. Needless to say, the 1066 is long gone. The 4020 is still running strong.
 
I've heard the term "Binder" used all my life, but mostly in reference to International trucks.

I always thought it was a dig - sort of a comparison to a McCormick binder. It was not used in praise, I know for sure.

Disclaimer:
I know nothing about International trucks, tractors, McCormick binders, or JD 4020's, and am not trying to start a ruckus.

Paul
 
The grain binder was one of McCormick's first major successes. It kind of made the company happen. The steel moldboard plow was John Deere's first big success. I don't know the same kind of thing about the other companies.
 
Should have adjusted the trans break OR replaced it on the 1066. Keeping things working properly is the key no matter what the color.
 
I've heard them called binders for years. Some how I don't think this one see's any field work these days.
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