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Depends on where it comes from and or where it was refined. All highway fuel in the US is required to be ultra low sulphur diesel (ULSD)-- less than 15 ppm. Off road fuel is regulated to 500 ppm or less, if it comes from the south it is usually refined from ''sweet'' crude and is low sulphur.
 
And at the weigh stations here in Md,if you pull in with farm tags,you will get your tanks dipped almost every time.Considered tax evasion.
 
In Ky second time caught it's about $10 for every gallon of farm fuel you have on the farm, plus they go back and make you pay back taxes on every gallon for pink you have bought the last 5 years I think. Folks around here who farm and run coal buckets try real hard not to get caught that second time. First one is just $2000 and they don't have to run long to even that out.

Dave
 
Highway diesel normally has a blend that will not gell in the cold weather, but the red (offroad diesel)is normally a number 1, and will gell much faster in the winter. Again I say normally.
I moved several gals of my Farming fuel up to the mountains to use plowing snow. That was a bad move.
 
Since I never buy anything but tractor fuel I really didn't know but honestly thought the sulphur content was different. In view of the question I called an oil company and asked if there was any difference besides color. As the others have answered, no, no difference.
 
Wheat Farmer - I have bought No. 1 diesel or kerosene to run in my space heater. The only other time I bought No.1 Diesel was to thin the No.2 down so it would not gel.
Here in SW Kansas there are at least 3 various grades of diesel.
Thanks Ken
 
There is no difference. The fuel comes in the pipeline clear from the refinery. The dye is injected at the terminal when it is loaded to go out to the bulk plant of your supplier or to the tank at your location.
 
Nancy, If you get caught running tractor fuel in your truck it will cost you. We have pulled into fairs with a load of show cattle only to be met by the tax boys. They dip yor tank and it better not be tractor fuel, You are shut down till tax onfuel is paid plus a fine, Never did it but saw many get caught. Oklahoma use to check how much gas you had in your tank when you enyered the state and you had to pay tax on that, They have discontinued that. Follow the money.
gitrib
 
Never heard of anyone in Tx being stopped and having the tank on the vehicle checked.

I was just curious if there was a difference.

Thanks for all the replies.
 
We had a local guy buy a used diesel pickup. Two days later he was at the cattle auction, along with quite a few other ranchers. All the diesel pickups were stopped by the local Barney Fife as they left the auction and he tested positive for a dyed fuel. He told the checker that he had only owned the truck for a couple of days and that he hadn't even put any fuel in it yet. He had to show odometer readings of when he purchased it, but luckily he was able to beat it.
 
Tax guys in TN can do 'stuff' far beyond what law enforcement agencies (sheriff, po-leece, constables, highway patrol, TBI, etc can. They can come on your farm....without permission or any suspected wrong......and check your vehicles/fuel tanks. I was taking a tent down on the church grounds a few years ago. This is on a country blacktop road. Tax guy drove slowly by; came back in a few minutes, asked if he could check my truck fuel tank. Said I don't know, what's the deal. Big fine if he found untaxed diesel, humongous fine if I refused permission. Have never put any 'dyed' fuel in it, so I was alright. He later sat on my tailgate and explained 'things' to me. Can't say I liked what he said........
 
It depends where you live. Here in New York, up to last year, home heating oil and farm diesel were exactly the same. Now, farm fuel is medium sulfur fuel, heating oil is high sulfur, and highway fuel is ultra-low.
 
What if you dump a gal of used oil into your truck tank and get it checked. If you are running undyed fuel, it will be black won't it. Do they go by color or do they have a test for the dye? Or fine you for the oil?
 
Another good way to get check if you have off road diesel tank in the back of your pickup. Hear tell of it alot around building sites in the city
 
All these people who get all upset about the government need to raise He11 about stuff like this.What if you ran out in the field and had tractor diesel?What needs to happen is have some of those diesel tax guys stop some people for dyed fuel and a bunch of people around there get a Sheriff and make him arrest the diesel cops and put them in jail.A Sheriff since he is elected has more authority in his jurisdiction than a diesel cop who is nothing but a money grabbing jerk.Once they get thrown in jail everywhere then they will quit being communists maybe.The only difference is the dye now,which kind of makes it stupid for them to be checking it anyway.All the dye is for is because there is no road tax on farm diesel.There shouldnt be any road tax on road diesel either since truckers have to pay road use tax to the states they operate in.So that makes a diesel cop a tax collector for the Federal Government.If a Sheriff didnt want this Federal Tax Collector holding people hostage in his jurisdiction he should throw him in jail.At least that might be one way to fix it,another would be to make some big adjustments to the EPA to where they arent a corrupt crooked organization and make them quit doing this kind of stuff.I think the best thing to do is remove the Federal Road Tax from diesel.They have misused enough tax dollars.Then there would be no need for dye or diesel cops.
 
No- farm diesel or highway is either #1, #2, or a blend, depending on the season. #1 is used in the coldest weather, blend used in between and #2 in the summer. Farm, offroad is not normally #1. Just doesn"t have about 40 cents Federal tax on it- so the dyed fuel is being watched for people who are trying to get around paying the tax, Penalties are severe.
 
I really like reading some of the responces when questions like this are asked.

The real answer is.........
It depends on who your supplier is because there could be a differance but sometimes it is the same thing.
It really boils down to how many tanks are available to store differant grades of fuel.
 
"All highway fuel in the US is required to be ultra low sulphur diesel (ULSD)-- less than 15 ppm."



Not till Dec 1 2010 (except in Calif). Then it will be required.
Right now it is only required if you own a 2007 or newer truck.
But that does not mean most stations are selling only ULSD right now so they can service all coustomers.
 
Nothing except the color. I was filling my pickup at the farm pump till I saw the local trouble maker watching me. Now I just fill the tank on the bed and fill the pick up at the farm from the big bulk tank. Runs my tractor OK too.
 
hey wheat farmer, how are we gonna make it on the projected 3.50 wheat for next year? local guru tells me noone is buying our wheat this year, no storage next year, wheat prices in the basement or sub cellar. I can't raise decent clean wheat for 3.5 bu (S KS dryland) Can you guys?
 
Yes I had my numbers backwards. Number 2 red is what we used in the summer. I finally found out how to make money with the dryland wheat farm. Been in the family for 81 years. SOLD OUT at $575 an acre. Wasn't making any money even the one year I got $6.00 bu. Sure miss playing in the dirt.Farm was in Nebr panhandle.
 
Sounds like a good business proposition. Installing secondary "hidden" tanks in diesel pickups. Keep the normal filler in place with a coulple gallon of the proper color fuel in it for them to check, while the whole time, the non taxed fuel is feeding the engine.

This is not tax evasion!!! If you read some of the founding fathers thoughts, they claim it is a citizens right to escape all taxes possible. A different time.

Gene
 
All on highway fuel refined or imported must be ULSD by 6-01-10. Currently and since 6-01-06 the law has been 80% of all on highway fuel refined or imported had to be ULSD --- for all intent and purposes road fuel is ULSD at the present time whether it says so on the pump sign or not.
 
Must be diffrent in diffrent states. Tenn really checks it. Own a tractor dealership so we have untaxed fuel on site to fill new tractors for delivery. They are always checking our delivery trucks for any trace of the dye. All about the dollars. As for having two tanks would not work here they can actually go to the exaust and check and see if the unit has ever had dyed fuel put thru it. Like KY the fine is noth worth the
savings. We pretty much just fuel the delivery trucks from local stations where we will have
the receipts to back up the miles on the trucks.
 
Nancy, in Weatherford Texas the wholesale dealer uses the exact same diesel. Only difference is the red dye added to be used off-road only. There have been local inforcement checks, and of cought with the slightest amount of dye in fuel being used on-road, they call the tow truck and take the vehicle to impound. You have to pay towing, pay storare, pay fuel removal/disposal, pay flushing, pay to refuel, pay stiff fine. Not worth the risk. Tom
 
Them real big tool boxes that fit in the bed that also have a fuel tank built in to them are the way alot of folks do that, trick is if Barney gets froggy he can pull your fuel filter and any die that has ever gone through it will stain the inside of the filter real good. 90% of the pick ups on the road do not burn enough full to justify the risk.

Dave
 
Saw a truck over in Waco. Had a pumper truck next to it pumping out the guys tanks. Four DPS troopers around him and they were not happy. They left the truck in the yard and made him refuel it. He had to get fuel hauled out to him.Not sure what his fine was.
 
Interesting. I'd never heard of that, but really doesn't matter. I do not intend to run farm diesel in my truck. I was just curious.
 
sure is funny how hot you get when it bits you pocket book. where do you think the money comes from the fund all the liberl crap that you like
 
"for all intent and purposes road fuel is ULSD at the present time whether it says so on the pump sign or not."


Wrong again.

Refineries are required to make nothing but ULSD by 6/1/10. The problem is this is 2009. Then they will give 6 months for the LSD to work it self out of the system with jobbers last date of sale 10/01/10 and retail being 12/01/10

Here is a link to Pilot stores that sell LSD today. This is only one chain and there are others.
Pilot LSD stores
 
I am not wrong when I said ''all intent and purposes''The EPA's own 1st quarter 09 report shows 97.7% of diesel fuel pumps in the USA are pumping ULSD. The main reason that the other 2.3% are not is because they figure they cannot get away with labeling the fuel as such. The vast majority of fuel travels by pipeline, operators found out early on that they did not have sufficient pipeline capacity to hardline the ULSD fuel. They would have to ''batch'' transport this fuel just like any other -- for example, ULSD fuel follows offroad fuel and any interphase is sold as Low sulphur even though it is usually 15ppm or less -- that is because the ULSD is typically 6ppm or less to start with, start with a cleaner product and the inevitable contamination will not do as much damage. The pipeline operator the company I work for is affiliated with started the transition in 2001 in conjunction with their refiner clients.-- all of the US refiners are way ahead of the curve on this. You can nitpick this any way you like but the fact remains that there is a very low probability of getting road fuel that is not ULSD, or at least left the refinery as ULSD at this stage.
 
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