Trade secrets My EYE!!!!!!

Well People,Guess what?Westendorf Has trade secrets they won"t tell ya (Hydraulic Steel tubing wall thickness and OD of hydraulic tubing for loader cylinder. ) .Guess that would destroy national security documents. What A joke that was. Any way we got the information from ALAMO LOADERS. If they (Westendorf CO) were the only loader Mfg Co.WE wouldnt purchase one from them. So disrespectfull ,curt.over the phone. Nasty Nasty. We"re re-doing the Hydraulics on a Schwartz loader so needed the information to enable us to do the majority of the lines in Stainless steel tubing. Got the valve assembly on(left side) a mounting plate, and hooked up to the Joy stick with out the hyd Valves inside the cab. Seen em inside the cab and from all we have looked at, They LEAK SOMETHING FIERCE. Hys fluid all over the inside panels ,floor,and the upholstery. Others we looked at has a multitude of rubber lines stuck out all over the tractor, loader, hanging down underneath and just waiting to give way to the elements.They wear through the outer wall of the rubber ,(see pics).
We plan on using S.Steel tubing 5/8 od,.065 wall thickness. Wondering the best install of Hyd fittings ,Flare,or ferrel? Got the S.Steel comming but have to travel 2 hrs one way.
Dont mind that at all. Looking up prices of hyd fittings ,both flare & ferrel. Trying to decide which is the best for reliability & strength.
Sending pictures of the Joy Stick and Valve,
along with a tractor at the dealers that described the botched up Hyd lines we seen.
ANY SUGGESTIONS ON USING FLARED OR FERRELLS? Would appreciate imputs!!!!
Thanks .
LOU

Most hotrod,industrial and aircraft supply shop carry tubing and fittings in every odd AN tubing and imperial sizes.
Tubing is odd stuff to worth with. More than one person has found out about ID,OD and wall thickness being measured different than with pipe.
Remember with tubing. The ID has to smaller than the OD or the hole will be on the outside of the pipe.

In my line of work,(rebuilding papermachines and pulp mills)Ferrel fittings were used.Also used on high pressure ss hyd lines.SS is very hard to flare and tends to crack. Hoss

Sounds about right. Mfg is going to let us know about using ferrel fitings on tubing with 5/8 od
.065 wall thickness. and if not we have to use a 37/o flaring tool. Thought about heating tubing end and using engine prep for lubrication of the flaring .The expensive flaring tool uses 3 ball bearings on the pressure crank. Hard to afford that unit just for tractor lines. I guess it's a wait and see proposition,unless some one has done it before with success, Thanks for responding .!!!!We really appreciate the input .
LOU

http://www.swagelok.com/fittings/index.htm

These guys make quality s.s. fittings, but are a bit pricey. Can be had through most weld supply shops (Airgas, anyway).

Thanks for the info. Looked up swagelok but got no prices Just log in for prices.Looks like same items thar are shown on another source we are currently awaiting a reply on Monday. The information I wanted was ,if any one on this forum ever undertook such a project, and what were their results. Ferel VS flared.
Got a bender ordered and tubing comming this next week. Gonna give it our best shot. Just hoping one of the fellows did what we are going to do.I for one don"t care for quick fixes like in the photo,with tubing hanging out all over the tractor. I do understand some times it is necessary to fast patch a unit so it can get back to the field,however when the season is over, then it"s time to do repairs right. Just my opinion and I"m stuck with it. Like to see attention to detail in workmanship.Hope I havn"t made any one angry with my opinion.
Thanks for the info.
Reguards LOU

That is a good one B&D!



~Will