Why i couldn't continue farming

in 1977 right out of high school. I really wanted to. Went into the service did my 4 years. Got back home and saw the slaughter of all the little farmers that were dupped into thinking borrow,borrow, and borrow some more, heck 15 percent interest isn't that bad.
Allen of Nebraska i believe went belly up at that time. Did he whine and complain heck no!!!!!!. He found a way to get er done!!!! My brother in law went bankrupt 2wice trying to borrow to much.! Are we heading there again?
Some goober said on this site that income taxes were 15 percent back in the 70's. Ya right!!!!!! 70 friggin percent and now they are 35 percent . Looks to me like the poor have alot less taxes that in the years past as do the so called rich. hmmmmm
Check this out. It is a list of the lower in come tax bracket and higher income tax bracket. 70 percent back in the 70 yikes!!!!!!!! Middle 80's looks like somebody chopped it hard, hhhmmmmmm i wonder who that was. LOL
Please lets not go back. I still want to full time farm.!!!!




http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=19
 
(quoted from post at 10:15:26 08/16/09) If your brother in law was going bankrupt, he wouldn't have had any income taxes to pay!

Tom43,
My brother in law chose to pay most of his bankruptcy off. As of today he has almost 2 years left to pay it off. He has been on a road crew driving semi's moving the equipment.. 90hrs a week during the summers.
Lives in Minnesota. Welds and repairs equipment for the company during the winter months. I believe he has worked a little over 12 years for them.
Yea he has been paying taxes for all those years. And no he probably didn't pay taxes for the farm years cause he never made any money.
Your point? Mine is the list of taxes and the rates that different wage earners pay to our elected government.

Farmer
 
I don't think a chart like that can show all the variables over the years. Not an accountant, but in the past you could write off until you owed 0, while now it kicks you into a base that you have to pay.
 
(quoted from post at 12:00:55 08/16/09) I don't think a chart like that can show all the variables over the years. Not an accountant, but in the past you could write off until you owed 0, while now it kicks you into a base that you have to pay.
Dear god!!!!!!!!!! I guess nobody was paying taxes then. And i guess no one is now with that kind of thinking. Probably not true that 10 percent of the taxpayers pay 70 percent of the fed revenue either. Some number like that.

Farmer
 
What has that to do with you not farming 30 years ago? Taxes were a very small part of any of this. We had inflation because we were financing a war ( Vietnam ) and expanded social programs ( medicare & more ). Nixon's price controls didn't help, and Ford's WIN program was just as effective as the just say no to drugs campaign. If your dad went belly up, sorry, but it had nothing to do with taxes, if he wasn't making any money, he wasn't paying taxes.
 
God himself could not convience these two of any thing other than they want to believe. Most conserves look at themselves to answer why they failed at some thing and then change to improve what they will do to succeed. The libs mind looks to who else to blame for thier failure and then tries to bring them down to thier level to give the preception of success.
 
nobody makes anybody borrow money.. nobody picks your crops..

its a crap shoot and sometimes you win and sometimes you loose.

you cant keep farming the same way all of the time.. the world changes, food price changes..the world changes..

some expect goverment to provide everything...

if you have the right to be rich, you have the right to be poor... no promises...
 
I think this kind of remark is not necrssary. Yes it is to bad your dream did not come true but do not take your anger out by running down another man. Take your licken and stand up like a man. Do not blame another mans success for your failure.
gitrib
 
There you go getting all nnalert, always pointing the finger at somebody else, NO the actual rich don't pay all the taxes, and yes the rich pay the lions share of the taxes if you use the government's propaganda that a person is rich when he's making 110K.
I paid taxes since I was 15-16 years old and ever since, while I know of some rich people that paid little to none. Here's the hard part for you to understand: there are ten times, maybe a hundred times, probably a thousand times as many people below $200K income than there are above it, so where do you think the bulk of the governments personal income revenue comes from?
 
I remember in the late '70's and early '80's when I had a hog operation, the loan officer I dealt with at the bank gave me a stack of blank notes and told me whenever I needed money to just fill one out and toss it in the night deposit.

Came a day of reckoning. Thankfully, I was able to cover myself by other means, but there were an awful lot who fell into the same trap and couldn't.
 
wgm ----- YOU Got that right, they always point the finger,,, and then you hear,,, they filed bankruptcy,, walking away from their Choices,,, and blame any one or everyone except their choices...

I'd say,,,, their dumb as a box of rocks...
 
More like 25 years and I bellyached every step of the way, every day.

Until one day I found this forum. :>)

Allan
 
I think my point was 15% interest rates, 6% inflation, If i wanted to get rich they wack me 70% if i don't hire a good cpa. What's the point of even trying? So off to the service. Learned to take care of my self and be self sufficient.
No i've done okay 35 years later and we are headed back to them years if i let it. Nope, sorry, for my dollar to be worth something everybody elses dollar has to be worth less. I like making money and keeping it.
Under OB and company plan we all make X ayear and live happily ever after. I want more than the next guy. and next guy isnt going to steal from me. He can work like i did.
One good thing with these clowns in its waking people up. I'm awake.


Farmer
 
Please tell me what your ignorant comment has to do with the tax and inflation issue we are discussing? You are a new person on this forum attacking an established poster for no reason, and it will not be tolerated.
 
Anybody who really farmed in the early 80's got hurt, only difference was degree of injury. Dad and I were farming around 1100 acres and raising and feeding cattle. We decided to get out while we still could. Went 100% PIK in '83, finished feeding cattle (had to buy corn)in'84 and auctioned off the machinery, most ground was rented. It took me a couple of tries to start again. This time, I really started to think I had a shot at going full time again, but the 1031 Exchanges killed farming here for the little guy-I guess I did not move far enough out in the country. I am hanging in there, hoping, but pretty well expect to be a part-timer the rest of the way out.
 
Been following HIM for 58 yrs,All i got out of that was 1 disaster after an other.Mostly nature trowing a monky wrench in things.Droughts.dryed up water holes and wells,grashoppers eating whats left.Too wet,destroyed hay crops or rotten hay. freak diseases in the live stock claimed many(only one making lots a dough was the vet,he did'nt solve a thing.)
In the good yrs(not to many)selling hay or live stock,some predators still owe money.

Whats the saying!.The more one gives,the more one recieves.
Well,the more I gave,the more they took.I can write a book about it.
It is a one way street.

Nobody but my wife( she's a sweethart) ever gave me any but trouble in the end.

only reason i'm still around is trough my own perseverance.

its still the law of nature out there,only the strongest will survive.God has'nt a damn thing to do with people,If he does,than he is a cruel pshycopath.

Look around in the world,the poor and unfortunate get globbered time and again, pray all they want,its an uphill battle most cannot win.
 
spook and tlak last posts put it pretty well about the nixon years
http://www.grist.org/article/the-butz-stops-here/
 
I know plenty of farmers around here were always going in the red since pretty much after WWII until probably the mid-80s. Rough stuff. Then everybody started to rent their land and bail on being small time farmers.

Evil banks.
 
Well, it was just a quick observation on how one chooses to "get 'er done', not an attack on anyone, just re-stating fact courtesy of Allen himself. Concerning your intolerance, I think I was the 45th person to register for the auctions here on YT, so I am just guessing that I have more seniority on this forum than the vast majority of current users.
 
Hey, no offense intended, I had to lose everything myself. Jail time, drug and alcohol rehab, lost most of the family farm and all the fun things that go along with it before I gave it up, 20 years, 4 months and one day ago. And I am guessing that your ordeal, like mine, had nothing to do with taxes.
 
Forgot about this story, all those hard working rich tax payers just giving us handouts and taking care of us. One lawyer that handles these cases said he got 400 new clients in one month.

Tax dodgers scramble to come clean amid crackdown
Wealthy tax dodgers line up for leniency as US cracks down on secret offshore accounts
By Stephen Ohlemacher, Associated Press Writer
On Saturday August 15, 2009, 1:57 pm EDT

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A deal with Switzerland settling U.S. demands for the names of suspected tax dodgers from a Swiss bank has a lot of wealthy Americans with offshore accounts nervously running to their tax advisers -- and the Internal Revenue Service.

"They are very frightened," said Richard Boggs, chief executive of Nationwide Tax Relief, a Los-Angeles-based tax firm that specializes in clients with tax debts exceeding $100,000. "You have the super rich who are not used to being pushed around and they are finding themselves in unfamiliar territory."

The U.S. and Swiss governments announced a court settlement last week in efforts by the IRS to force Zurich-based UBS AG to turn over the names of some 52,000 Americans believed to be hiding nearly $15 billion in assets in secret accounts.

Justice Department and UBS lawyers told a federal judge in Miami in a brief conference call Wednesday they had initialed a final deal. But they did not disclose any details, such as how many of the 52,000 names sought by the IRS will be revealed.

Even before the settlement, the high-profile case -- coupled with other U.S. efforts to go after Americans hiding undeclared assets -- has scared hundreds of tax dodgers to turn themselves in. Boggs said his firm has been taking on 100 new cases a month, a big increase over previous years.

Peter Zeidenberg, a litigation partner at the law firm DLA Piper in Washington, said he, too, is he seeing more people with undeclared assets seeking information about their legal options.

His advice: "I don't think you have much of a choice but to come forward. ... I think the landscape is permanently changed."

The IRS long has had a policy that certain tax evaders who come forward before they are contacted by the agency usually can avoid jail time as long as they agree to pay back taxes, interest and hefty penalties. Drug dealers and money launderers need not apply. But if the money was earned legally, tax evaders can usually avoid criminal prosecution.

In March, the IRS began a six-month amnesty program that sweetened the offer with reduced penalties for people with undeclared assets. IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman said the response has been unprecedented.

Shulman wouldn't say how many people have applied so far. But the IRS said 400 people applied to voluntarily disclose undeclared assets in a single week in July, compared with fewer than 100 applications all last year.

The amnesty program, which ends Sept. 23, is part of a larger effort by federal authorities to crack down on international tax evaders.

"Each time someone walks through the door with a disclosure, we get more information. We get more information about other people. We get more information about other financial institutions," Shulman said. "If people have been hiding assets in the past, they should be nervous, and they should be a lot more suspect about doing it in the future."

The U.S. recently reached agreements with several countries, including Luxembourg and Switzerland, to share more tax information in the future, just as the IRS is strengthening its enforcement ranks.

President Barack external_link, in his proposed 2010 budget, asked Congress to pay for 800 additional agents, examiners and lawyers to go after people who hide money overseas. external_link also wants Congress to require overseas financial institutions doing business in the U.S. to share more information with the IRS.

Earlier this year, UBS admitted assisting U.S. citizens in evading taxes as part of a deferred prosecution agreement with the Justice Department. UBS agreed to disclose the names of about 300 American clients and pay a $780 million penalty. The IRS subsequently filed its case seeking the names of 52,000 additional U.S. taxpayers believed to be hiding assets in UBS accounts.

So far, four UBS customers whose names were given to U.S. authorities under the prior agreement have made deals to plead guilty to tax charges in federal court.

"The UBS case, the agreements we are signing, the legislative proposals and the enforcement efforts are all meant to send one message, which is that if you owe tax to the U.S., we are going to use every tool we have available to get that," said Michael Mundaca, acting assistant treasury secretary.

Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., applauded the administration's efforts, but said more can be done to catch tax evaders. Levin has introduced a bill that would direct the treasury secretary to maintain a list of nations that "impede U.S. tax enforcement" and give him authority to impose financial penalties against uncooperative countries.

Levin's initial list of 34 countries and other jurisdictions would include Switzerland, the Cayman Islands, Bermuda, the Bahamas, Hong Kong and Panama.

"We should have put a clampdown on these tax havens a long time ago," he said in an interview.

Raymond Baker of Global Financial Integrity, a Washington-based group that advocates tougher policies against international money laundering, said he is encouraged by the administration's efforts. But he's not ready to call it a crackdown.

"As we get past the UBS case, is the momentum for continuing to go after tax evaders going to be sustained?" Baker said. "I think it's too early to tell."

It would, however, be risky for a wealthy tax dodger to wait to see if the government's stepped up efforts continue, said Boggs, the tax adviser. He said his firm usually recommends a "strategic surrender" to the IRS.

"We basically are waving a white flag and telling the IRS that we have every intention of resolving this issue in the mutual best interest of the government and our client," Boggs said.

"Historically, the best outcomes that we have been able to negotiate have always involved good faith from the taxpayer," he said. "And good faith means getting to the IRS before they get to you."

Internal Revenue Service: http://www.irs.gov/

Sen. Levin's legislation: http://nnalert.com/oatqdt
Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press.
 
Always do the opposite of what any Gov't employee tells you is the right thing to do in any situation and you'll be doing the right thing 99% of the time.Can't remember when a Gov't fellow was right but I'll give them the 1% anyway.And avoid debt like the plague and if you have a choice take your chances with the Plague.
Know a fellow that bought heavy into cattle in the last 5 years and lots of new equipment no way he can survive today's cattle prices.My old bought and paid for stuff sure looks good to me no repo man is coming to get it,
 
"Forgot about this story, all those hard working rich tax payers just giving us handouts and taking care of us. One lawyer that handles these cases said he got 400 new clients in one month.
Tax dodgers scramble to come clean amid crackdown
Wealthy tax dodgers line up for leniency as US cracks down on secret offshore accounts
By Stephen Ohlemacher, Associated Press Writer
On Saturday August 15, 2009, 1:57 pm EDT

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A deal with Switzerland settling U.S. demands for the names of suspected tax dodgers from a Swiss bank has a lot of wealthy Americans with offshore accounts nervously running to their tax advisers -- and the Internal Revenue Service."

tlak-I am trying to follow your logic, but I am afraid my IQ is just not low enough. Are you saying there are a lot of farmers hiding money in overseas accounts?
 
"Dear god!!!!!!!!!! I guess nobody was paying taxes then. And i guess no one is now with that kind of thinking. Probably not true that 10 percent of the taxpayers pay 70 percent of the fed revenue either. Some number like that."
This is a quote of farmer101IL, and if you read further through the thread you'll see my answer to who really pays the taxes, and this story of the rich not paying taxes.
"farmers hiding money" Yes I'll say that, since a lot of these are multimillion dollar farms.
 
IF THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO CATCH TAX CHEATS THEY NEED LOOK NO FURTHER THAN THE SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY AND QUITE A FEW (D) MEMBERS OF CONGRESS! (Charles Rangel to name but one)
 
I think one thing I haven't seen mentioned in this thread is this "I know plenty of farmers around here were always going in the red since pretty much after WWII until probably the mid-80s. Rough stuff. Then everybody started to rent their land and bail on being small time farmers.
" compliments of Mr. Herring. Small farms didn't start going outta biz in the 80's. They have been going out for about a 100 years. Mechanization and economies of scale pushed the little guys out. There were a lot of 40 cow daries around here, now only a few bigger ones left. Some of the newer ones have 2K cows or more. Millions invested. "Get big or get out" has been the mantra for a long time. And btw, I don't ever recall a "right to be a full time farmer" being a law. If you can, good for you. But it has never been easy.
 
From what I read this has only happened since President external_link came into office which is good for it will filter through to every Country and previously where these countries [like Australia] wanted this information they never had the clout to achieve it.We did have a well known case where they tried to trace the cash but only got to the front door of the Swiss Bank.A Senate inquiry into a Billionaire's dealings was told that He was paying only the Tax he was obliged to and no more, that being 11 cents in the dollar whereas the bloke in the street starts at 32 cents but he can't afford the bevy of Lawyers and accountants.
 
You must be in love with the guy...you dont even really know him unless you have been in a partnership with him or he is a relative...continue.
 
You're certainly welcome. How 'bout if I word it like this,"I have been using this site as long or longer than the majority of users", understand?
 
None taken Pard,

Glad I learned the lesson, even if it was the hard way.

I fell on my butt because of too much drink and not enough management. Nobody's fault but mine.

Allan
 

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