My neighbor asked if he could rent my John Deere 4955 to pull a subsoiler he bought on some wheat ground. He has an International 1486 that will carry it but once he drops it in the ground that’s where he sits. I told him that it’s to dry and to wait for it to rain but he wants to get it done. I was just wondering what I should charge for the use of my tractor? I think he has about 70 to 80 acres to do. The tractor is a 200 horse with front wheel assist and the ripper is a five shank. How would I charge him? By the day, acre, or tractor hour? Looking for some commits or experience.
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
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I'm with Jason. Run your own machine. If something breaks, you were the one that did it. Keeps you and the neighbor on good terms...
I know in these parts the dealers charge 25 an hour meter hour for 100 hp tractors on rent.I'm personally with the others on this one too.So what I would suggest is 60 (25x2 for 200 hp plus 10 for yourself )an hour,his fuel and you in the seat.If he tells you it's way too much,let him find someone else to do it.
Anonymous-0
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Bad idea.Charge the cost of a new tractor when you get yours back trashed.
Anonymous-0
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We rented a 160 horse tractor about 10 years ago. Granted it was a new tractor but it cost $50/hour according to the hour meter. I assume it would cost about $60-$75/hr for a 200 horse FWD tractor. As mentioned before I wouldn't let him rent the tractor unless he rented you to drive it. In which case I would ball park that at about $50/hr plus his fuel.
I'm on the same side as the others. Either do it for him at a price, or don't let him rent it. We borrowed our Massey 165 to a neighbor once to rake some hay with. They ended up putting it on their PTO driven generator that they normally used a 100+ HP tractor on. They burnt up the PTO clutch and we still had to go over and get it when we needed it a few days later.
Another time they borrowed our 285 and manure spreader to clean out their bunker silo. They forgot to trip the beater release after hauling a load so the next time around, they drove the load into the beater snapping the shear bolt. They also blew a hose on it (can't really blame them for that) that they replaced with one that was 1' too short to hook onto our other tractor...
We don't really let them borrow any equipment anymore, it's always "in use" when they ask. We do borrow their chopper boxes pretty much every year for chopping our hay, straw, and corn. We pull them up to our shop 1st, check the tires, grease, oil, etc... Then we'll test run them in the driveway before we load them.
Borrowed their disc a few years ago because it's a little heavier than ours. I broke the axel right when I was done with it and coming out of the field. I fixed it with new channel iron that was thicker than factory (to support the 250 gallon water tank used as weight on it) and even changed a flat tire on one of the tandems as good faith. The other tire was shredded and run flat for a long time, obviously not from us.
They don't always return the favor, so we don't let them borrow. We do however fix whatever breaks when we borrow.
Donovan from Wisconsin
Another time they borrowed our 285 and manure spreader to clean out their bunker silo. They forgot to trip the beater release after hauling a load so the next time around, they drove the load into the beater snapping the shear bolt. They also blew a hose on it (can't really blame them for that) that they replaced with one that was 1' too short to hook onto our other tractor...
We don't really let them borrow any equipment anymore, it's always "in use" when they ask. We do borrow their chopper boxes pretty much every year for chopping our hay, straw, and corn. We pull them up to our shop 1st, check the tires, grease, oil, etc... Then we'll test run them in the driveway before we load them.
Borrowed their disc a few years ago because it's a little heavier than ours. I broke the axel right when I was done with it and coming out of the field. I fixed it with new channel iron that was thicker than factory (to support the 250 gallon water tank used as weight on it) and even changed a flat tire on one of the tandems as good faith. The other tire was shredded and run flat for a long time, obviously not from us.
They don't always return the favor, so we don't let them borrow. We do however fix whatever breaks when we borrow.
Donovan from Wisconsin
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You can't get enough rent to make you feel good about the whole deal in the long run.
Anonymous-0
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Suggest that he takes 2 of the shanks off, and then pull a 3 shank ripper with his IH. Seems to me that renting out your tractor for His heavy work is a bad idea.
Anonymous-0
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I would need to know how this guy operates. Is his equipment well maintained, does he seem to run his tractors hard? A five shank ripper is not too much for a 4955 FWA. But, if you rent it by the hour, and he tends to run things at the limit, he could run it a couple of gears beyond what is reasonable to lower his cost. If he was trying to use an inadequately powered 1486 on that ripper it is a good sign he overloads stuff. If you can control the situation by defining the proper gears and engine speeds for the desired depth and you have confidence he will adhere to them, I would probably rent it. I vagely remember something like a dollar for each horsepower hr. Assuming 7 acres/hr rate that would cost him 28.50/acre tractor rental plus fuel which seems a little high. Perhaps the 7 acres/hr is too conservative.
Ok, been thinking on this for a while and think I have got it figured out where I can put it in kind words. Is this guy really a neighbor? A neighbor is some one you a relationship with. Around here neighbors are very few and far between, but there is a puncture wound up the road about about every mile. I do not have any thing to loan a neighbor that is as nice as a 4955. I will give a tobacco wagon, hay rake, and things like that to a neighbor in a hart beat. Any thing with an engine I will offer to do the job for them and then some where down the line they will do a job for me when they have something that will work better than what I have. (I will plant your corn to help you out then you come bale my hay for me type deal). If you don't really yea-haw with the guy and he fits into the puncture wound up the road group, figure out a rate and stand by it. You, your tactor, his ripper. If you blow a tire doing custom work it's your puppy, it the ripper breaks in half it's his. Unless it is some one I really like and have good relationship with I would much rather pay X an acre/hour/bale what ever than bum a tractor.
That's just the way I see it from my hill.
Dave
That's just the way I see it from my hill.
Dave
Here is what you do.
Tell him that for insurance reasons only YOU can run the machine. Then tell him that You will do the work for a set fee....but give him a good price. A 200 HP machine should not be run for less then $50/hour or so. I have paid excavators $600/ 8 hour day for dozer work and up to $100/hour for heavy excavator work for clearing a home site.
Tell him that for insurance reasons only YOU can run the machine. Then tell him that You will do the work for a set fee....but give him a good price. A 200 HP machine should not be run for less then $50/hour or so. I have paid excavators $600/ 8 hour day for dozer work and up to $100/hour for heavy excavator work for clearing a home site.
haymaker421
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I hate to borrow and I hate to loan tractors or machinery. Years of experience have taught me one thing. No one appreciates your hard work and expense like you do. I loaned a disk to my unlce once. Just going to do 10 acres. That was in the fall. Mushroom hunting in the spring, my wife spotted it sitting in a low spot full of water to the axles in the down position. Every bearing was locked up. A few years later I was helping him fill silo with borrowed forage wagons. I stopped at his shop (ha!) to air up a tire and he raised hell because I was taking too much time. I told him the tire would be ruined if we didn't keep it aired up and he said, Who cares, It ain't mine! You can pick your friends, not your relatives. Learned that one too.
Interesting posts. The principles of loaning farm equipment haven't changed much through the years. My mother told the story of her father loaning his one mule to a relative. He was upset when he found that two men were taking turns plowing the mule, one man resting while the other rested. Mule didn't get a break.
KEH
The neighbor that wants to rent my tractor is a good neighbor I have had dealings with him before and would not be afraid to rent him any of my equipment. He still runs an old John Deere 45 round back combine that his father bought which is in pristine condition. All of his equipment is well taken care of. Other neighbors borrowing equipment well that’s a whole other topic!
Will Herring
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We rarely borrowed tractors from the neighbors (though occasionally we have borrowed the loader tractor from them for a few hours, but never something for field work). However, I've been in on the rental of a 120 HP tractor and I think the per hour price was really reasonable. Like $30 or something.
I have done subsoiling for people before and charged 20 bucks an acre.But for a good neighbor I tell him to come get the dang thing an go do it.Tractor full of fuel when it leaves and they bring it back full.The way I see it the tractor is just a machine and if it breaks so what.It would have probably broke if I was using it anyway.
Goose
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If he's willing to pay to rent, he should go to a dealer.
On a much smaller scale, when I had a shop in town, people always wanted to borrow or rent my 18' flatbed trailer. After a couple of bad experiences, I set a policy that I'd haul something for them myself for a price, but I would NOT rent or loan the trailer.
On a much smaller scale, when I had a shop in town, people always wanted to borrow or rent my 18' flatbed trailer. After a couple of bad experiences, I set a policy that I'd haul something for them myself for a price, but I would NOT rent or loan the trailer.
You think way to much of your tractors.A tractor was built to work not sit in the shed.If you lived around me and have that kind of atitude no one would help you out.You could be stuck in the grader ditch in a snow storm and me or anyone else would drive by in a 200 hp mfwa and remember what you said.I like to help people out. It makes me feel good to do so.A few years back we had a bad ice storm no power for 6 days straight. I lent two tractors out to run generators so they could use their tractors to feed their cattle.Those tractors ran 6 days straight.Never shut them off just kept fuel to them.I never even thought about them breaking down.If they did we would just throw another tractor on the generator.It is just a machine its not like they are asking for a kidney or something.
jwal10
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If he is a true friend and neighbor farmer and would do it for you , you do the same for him. If he is just a neighbor and wouldn't do it for you don't do it for him. Sounds like a true neighbor. Charge if he would charge you, don't if he would help you out. I had true neighbors and we would and could trade in a pinch, I knew they would take care of it like I would and pay any repairs. Usually each would come out ahead in the end. The 5 shanks will not harm that tractor, I have pulled 5 with a 4640 easily....James
jwal10
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dieseldoc, You are a true friend and neighbor. Not a lot of them around anymore, but I'll bet you live in a farming neighborhood and know the true meaning of A FRIEND AND NEIGHBOR. If a friend and neighbor was in need you would help and you know if the shoe was on the other foot they would do the same. I was real sick the last year I farmed and all the friends and neighbors in my neighborhood were their and got the rest crops my off and replanted what needed to be. I had to sell out before they were harvested but I sold everything to the neighbors, including the land but not one of them would take a dime for their time. I will owe them for the rest of my life. I had to move to town but every one of them are real friends and neighbors 15 years later. Bless you neighbor....James
Very interesting topic.
I have borrowed equipment,I have lent equipment,I have rented equipment,I have worked for free (more free then usual), I have charged for work, I have turned people away.
There are so many variables, factors and good neighbours are hard to come by. At the same time there are some people you should just stay away from.
My rule is - give back more than you take and usually good things come back to you.
I have borrowed equipment,I have lent equipment,I have rented equipment,I have worked for free (more free then usual), I have charged for work, I have turned people away.
There are so many variables, factors and good neighbours are hard to come by. At the same time there are some people you should just stay away from.
My rule is - give back more than you take and usually good things come back to you.
Thanks James. If you lived around me I would love to help you out.I live in a farming comunity and there are some people that wont help anyone.But most folks around here would do anything for anyone.From planting to harvesting to changing a tire for an old lady on the side of the road.We dont ask if people need help we just show up and do it. Wish there were more people around like us because this country would be alot better.
Alex-41JDb
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Dont let him borrow it. You do it for a reasonable price.
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