What trouble some guys go to

Riverslim · Aug 1, 2009

first attempt to post a pic

Riverslim · Aug 1, 2009

second try

railhead · Aug 1, 2009

Do you have any more better pics of this? I think that is awesome. I have heard of a old guy around here that put two D John Deeres together like that and he was King S**t in his time. they say he was just a h3ll of an engineer. He could pull two plows hooked together and farm in half the time others could. I sincerely admire what farmers accomplished with pretty much nothing. Had they had the resources we have today like the internet....what could they have done?

armand tatro · Aug 1, 2009

I agree with railhead. In the 1960's if you wanted or needed more power and/or traction this is what you did. The big power and 4wd.s were not avaible yet and you could have a tamdom tractor hitch field ready in a day or so. In about 1963 my dad and I had a farmall 400 gas and a F20 hooked togather and it worked well. Armand

Anonymous-0 · Aug 1, 2009

There was an old Indian named Tom Harwood at Valier who built several of these units. One of the tractor clubs I belong to has a pair of Case 500 diesels. We also have a combination of a John Deere R and a McCormick WD9.

Riverslim · Aug 1, 2009

Here's another

Riverslim · Aug 1, 2009

I'm pretty much zero mechanically, all the pedals were removed on the back-up tractor. A hydraulic cylinder was hooked up to what I took to be a brake housing. How it shifted I don't know, the shifter was there, but no clutch pedal as I said.

railhead · Aug 1, 2009

I'd love to see them all. That is absolutely amazing how a farmer pretty much isolated could do such precise work. I know there were kits etc etc but the guy that I knew of was just a very sharp engineer.

730 virgil · Aug 1, 2009

man near stockton il has 2 massey 44s tied together he bought it from a salvage yard in northeast il.

Pooh Bear · Aug 1, 2009

Unless the two tractors have EXACTLY they same ground speed,
aren't you gonna get a lot of tire wear? How do you compensate for that?
Hard to imagine that two different tractors would be geared the same.

Pooh Bear

super99 · Aug 1, 2009

At least you could get some good pictures of it. I was there Saturday and they had some wagons full of wheat bundles parked up next to them to keep them dry and there wasn't much room to get a picture from this side. It should have been outside with the muscle tractors. Chris

railhead · Aug 1, 2009

yeah that is why I doubt the "different make marriages". Good call, but I didn't want to say it. I agree with you 100%. They said the guy locally knew how to control them both where they both pulled exactly the same and really made dirt turn. As for a JD and IH together.....would have to see it myself.

farmalldanzil · Aug 1, 2009

do a search for tandem tractors, on youtube and you will find a lot of them. thanks dan.

John Harmon · Aug 1, 2009

Back in the 1960's my dad had a Minneapolis Moline UB and a U paired up for plowing. He pulled a 6/14" MM Plow with a drag to the side. It worked real well.Duals on the landside. Both Gas jobs.Head lands were a big deal tho. Needed a lot of room to turn around. Hydraulics were from the UB in the front. Throttle was off a JD R and hand clutch for the U was real simple just a short spring loaded lever from an old plow he had . The clutch lever locked in position until the turn was made when it was released again.Both throttle and clutch lever were attached to a frame bolted to the front of the U.A peice of 4" I beam ran from the UB drawbar ,between the tricycle front of the U and back to the U drawbar where it was attached.Never took long to get the U ready to go plowing.He never would let any one else run it to my recollection.Certainly not me as I was generally behind him plowing with my AC 190 trying to keep up.After Plowing was done the team was split up and the UB had a right side dual put on and with a 15' AC wheel disc knocked down the plowed ground and the U was put on the JD494 Planter. I wish now we had taken some pictures of the MM team but never did .My memories are all that is left of them.

IHC Red · Aug 1, 2009

The guy who built the above machine also built a triple-D John Deere.

caterpillar guy · Aug 2, 2009

The 2 tractors is reasonable the 3 460's is nonsense. Why not just go get a d-4 or d-6 cat they will pull all they were doing with none of the nonsense and on a lot less fuel. A d-4 will run all day on 10-15 gallon of fuel and pull 6-16's a foot deep a d-6 will pull more on 15-20 gallon of fuel all day. A day is from can see till can't see. in April that is about 16 hrs in MI.

super99 · Aug 2, 2009

Several years ago, Farm Show ran special booklet about homemade tractors and there were several pages of doubled up tractors. One was a IH 400 and 2 Cases, not sure if they were SC of DC. The guy pulled 2 plows hooked together. $$ were tight then, and most had older extra tractors setting around, mid to late 50's there weren't many BIG tractors to chose from, Also hard to justify Big $$ for a tractor for plowing only, so seems logical to join 2 together just for plowing. Also saw pictures of a AC 190 and a 44 Massey hooked together. Also was a Oliver 80 with a Wisconsin engine mounted on the side and hooked to the belt pulley. When I was a kid, a neighbor had a JD with a Wisconsin engine added to it. As long as you are working on dirt the speeds don't have to be perfect because you get some slippage anyhow. Does work better if the front tractor is just a little faster than the rear one. Chris

Steven f/AZ · Aug 2, 2009

Don Dufner of ND is the one who put the 3-830 Special together, along with the 3-D set-up... I think he also has a tandem setup with a D behind and something else up front.

Here's a quick walk-around of 3-830:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2BAhrLIz_I

And the 3-830 plowing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1xySbtHEPg

3-830 in a pull:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l3wnAo_oRg

Here's the 3- 660 diesel pulling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jLsvaSA99I

I know I've seen a JD and IH tandem setup with a W-9 (maybe WD-9), don't remember what the JD was off-hand.

Anonymous-0 · Aug 2, 2009

"A D-6 will pull more on 15-20 gal a day " You are HIGH. You are not pulling more than 6-16's on less than a gallon an hour!!! Not even in a parade!! Stop and listen to yourself..

Anonymous-0 · Aug 2, 2009

Hi Steve, I have seen Dufner's tractor. I have always thought these creations were more a testiment to some farmers imagination and mechanical skills that any attempt at some reasonable farm tractor. When you hook 2 (or 3) together you have 2 (or 3) times the maintenance, and probably a lot more than that getting them to run correctly. My only eperience with 2 tractors connected happened when my dad and uncle were having my cousin and I breaking some sod, 1 mile by 1/4 mile. A dry year, Our biggest tractor, a 1030 had trouble with a 6 bottom plow as they wanted it set deep to get the moisture up so the flax would grow. They had my cousin and I chain the 4020 , to the 1030 using a couple of old truck tires as a shock absorber and both tractors pulled. It worked. Are you in ND now ? I will be there on the 7th.

Steven f/AZ · Aug 2, 2009

(quoted from post at 09:17:07 08/02/09)Are you in ND now ? I will be there on the 7th.

Nah, school starts tomorrow, had to work Wed thru Fri last week at school. Back in the AZ heat, so far has been in the hundred teens (hottest in the last week was 116). Miss the ND weather... at least until the snow flies!

Speaking of more maintenance, I've even been keeping track of vehicle maintenance this year - it's enough to convince me to NOT have a 3rd vehicle. Sometimes I wonder if we should even have two!

Dad wants to get a self-propelled swather with a hay head instead of a newer swing-tongue haybine. I'm against it due to having another engine, transmission, tires, etc. to maintain. We have an extra tractor as it is, just as well it gets used!

Speaking of chaining tractors together, got to experience that once this summer when I got stuck with the 4450 MFWD cutting hay!

Here's an idea of the hay crop this year:

This is on topic since chaining tractors together is kind of a tandem set up... lol

Anonymous-0 · Aug 2, 2009

Steve, what do you do with ruts like that ? Disc, chisel plow ? A pronghorn could fall in there and not get out. My grandfather once told me, and we were still using grain drill with trip ropes then, that in wet years you always farm with your second bigest tractor, and that the reason would be obvious some day. Good luck with the school year.

Steven f/AZ · Aug 2, 2009

(quoted from post at 14:35:57 08/02/09) Steve, what do you do with ruts like that ? Disc, chisel plow ? A pronghorn could fall in there and not get out. My grandfather once told me, and we were still using grain drill with trip ropes then, that in wet years you always farm with your second bigest tractor, and that the reason would be obvious some day. Good luck with the school year.

Nothing, that area of the field is covered with ruts like that from previous oops such as mine. Dad plans to break up that field soon, anyway. As for pronghorn antelope - there are plenty of those to go around!

The only time we farm with the biggest tractor is pulling the air seeder in the spring, never been stuck with that yet. Seems like the 4x4 tractor will float over most things and pull the seeder right through.

Thanks for the well-wishes for school, sounds like I have a pretty good class this year.

Anonymous-0 · Aug 2, 2009

About the big 4X4s pulling through, I would like to share my experience in spring 1997, perhaps you remember the snow the winter before. I was sorta impatient to get seeding cause the ground was wet, well mud, and in a few days I had an airplane to catch going back to California. So I hooked a 32 ft chisel plow to the tractor and a 24 ft disc to that, thinking I would go stirr up the ground and help it dry out. I walked back. The tractor I left in the field was 975 Versitle, 8 tires and perhaps 350 hp. Thankfully the neighbors came with a Case 2670 and a White 150 and pulled me out. Sad, I don't have those neighbors any more.

Steven f/AZ · Aug 2, 2009

Well, Scott, within reason I suppose!

I was simply amazed at this one - I had previously been mowing, raking, and baling with water coming up on the tires - and not getting stuck, not even leaving much for tracks! Mowing - H, raking - 544, baling - 2590 Case and JD 567 baler.

Figured I was darn near invincible with the 4450 MFWD! I thought when I saw water come up on the tires I'd turn out and be just fine - didn't work out that way, different soil type with no bottom to it.

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