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Anonymous-0
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Its final solution not final situation.Not much else real sensible here.Try to capitalize I and not use commas where not needeed.You could even take an english class at the local college on sentence structure.Oh well.Anybody talking tractors today at all.
Anonymous-0
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What could be more noble than providing health care to our brothers and systems? I didn't hear you complain about President Bush spending a trillion dollars on the Iraq war.
Comparing the President to Hitler is both absurd and ignorant. Turn off Rush Limbaugh and think for yourself!
Comparing the President to Hitler is both absurd and ignorant. Turn off Rush Limbaugh and think for yourself!
Anonymous-0
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Under one of the plans being favored, U.S. citizens have to pay a fine for not having insurance, yet illegal aliens do not. How noble is that?
Will you volunteer your extra money to pay for the health care of illegal aliens? I think we all know the answer to that one.
Will you volunteer your extra money to pay for the health care of illegal aliens? I think we all know the answer to that one.
Spotted Horse
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YOU might try leaving a space after your periods, before starting a new sentence and giving lectures on "sentence structure."
Spotted Horse
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What's "noble" about providing health care to our "systems"?????
GeneMO
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Tom if your head wasn't so far up your behind you would see that there are quite a few similarities between the twoGene
Anonymous-0
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At least I know when it is and when its not.You are correct.I dont even know why I respond to the political stuff.I really dont care anyway. Thanks for the critique.
Fun to hear all the opinions (be they right or wrong, educated or ignorant), thanks yall.. I guess it all goes to how we were raised and our values and beliefs. I'm just thankful I was raised a Christian Conservative (like it seems most of the antique tractor lovers and farm gents) to believe in freedom and free markets and NOT SOCIALISM. I'm just NOT in the camp of Hanoi Jane Fonda, Rosie O Donnell, Shawn Penn and the elite hollywood leftist liberals and dont believe in partial birth abortion, gay marriage, and big brother government take over, be it health care or the auto industry etc. These opinions are MY OWN (sure as H___ NOT from any others let alone any talking heads lol) having roots in my upbringing and lifes experiences and as a long time Federal Government employee (plus farmer, electrical engineer, attorney and small business owner) where I experienced waste and inefficiency UNLIKE when I performed the same job in the private sector.
Still, no one can provide any example of how the big fat cat overbearing beauracratic red tape laden FEDERAL GOVERNMENT (Who unlike private sector doesnt have to make a profit) can perform any service or run an industry more efficient then the private sector ????????? Its simply physically impossible, do the math.......
So God Bless yall regardless of your opinions, be they right or wrong, your own or based on something you heard.......
Take care now and ask your representatives to JUST SAY NO to government take over of health care or the auto industry...
And by the way, "STOP GLOBAL WHINING" LOL
John T Christian Conservative and Patriot
Still, no one can provide any example of how the big fat cat overbearing beauracratic red tape laden FEDERAL GOVERNMENT (Who unlike private sector doesnt have to make a profit) can perform any service or run an industry more efficient then the private sector ????????? Its simply physically impossible, do the math.......
So God Bless yall regardless of your opinions, be they right or wrong, your own or based on something you heard.......
Take care now and ask your representatives to JUST SAY NO to government take over of health care or the auto industry...
And by the way, "STOP GLOBAL WHINING" LOL
John T Christian Conservative and Patriot
IndianaRed
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Well, let's see. Charitably giving to help others is noble. Forcing someone to give up the fruits of his labor and giving it to someone else is theft, and socialism. You are apparently for both.
This is directly contradictory to the Founding Fathers intent, and the Constitution, and that obviously doesn't mean anything to you.
The Federal government doesn't have the authority to do this. No where is it given this authority in the Constitution. Just because you think it's a good idea doesn't make it so.
Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security are all more than bankrupt, they are all already trillions of dollars in the red. And you foolishly believe that the government can now take over all healthcare and do it efficiently. Europe and Canada are already moving away from the social healthcare plans they set up. Why? Because they don't work. Hawaii tried to cover just children and gave up. They couldn't do it. Does any of this tell you anything, or are you just a silly slobbering abundant who wants to stick it to people that have more than?
I'm poor, and far too proud to take something from someone else. Only I am responsible for me.
external_link is spending a lot of money in Afganistan, isn't closing GITMO, is still eavesdropping on potential terrorist phone calls, and you say nothing about that, now do you? It's all ok as long as your boy is in there, now isn't it?
You, sir, and those like you, are what's wrong with America today. No respect for the Founders, their ideals, the Constitution, or moral common sense.
This is directly contradictory to the Founding Fathers intent, and the Constitution, and that obviously doesn't mean anything to you.
The Federal government doesn't have the authority to do this. No where is it given this authority in the Constitution. Just because you think it's a good idea doesn't make it so.
Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security are all more than bankrupt, they are all already trillions of dollars in the red. And you foolishly believe that the government can now take over all healthcare and do it efficiently. Europe and Canada are already moving away from the social healthcare plans they set up. Why? Because they don't work. Hawaii tried to cover just children and gave up. They couldn't do it. Does any of this tell you anything, or are you just a silly slobbering abundant who wants to stick it to people that have more than?
I'm poor, and far too proud to take something from someone else. Only I am responsible for me.
external_link is spending a lot of money in Afganistan, isn't closing GITMO, is still eavesdropping on potential terrorist phone calls, and you say nothing about that, now do you? It's all ok as long as your boy is in there, now isn't it?
You, sir, and those like you, are what's wrong with America today. No respect for the Founders, their ideals, the Constitution, or moral common sense.
IndianaRed
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Good one. 
Phil in Pa
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If you think health care is expensive now, wait until it's free.
Not my original saying of course, but it's so true it bears repeating.
Not my original saying of course, but it's so true it bears repeating.
If you think health care is expensive now, wait until it's free.
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The congression budget office has been saying the same thing - it will bankrupt the government and will actually make health care even more expensive (this guy was nominated and apporved by nnalert). external_link had a nice little chat with him today to tell him to quit telling people that.
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The congression budget office has been saying the same thing - it will bankrupt the government and will actually make health care even more expensive (this guy was nominated and apporved by nnalert). external_link had a nice little chat with him today to tell him to quit telling people that.
GeneMO
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One exception, the military. I am sure there is lots of waste and mistakes, but our military is second to none!
Gene
Gene
We all have family, friends, or people we know without medical insurance. It appears the most aggressive arguers are the ones with medical insurance. My son waits till he drags into the doctor before he goes. So what do the unisured say.
Seems like there's two on here, one being IR, without insurance, and he's going to let the social programs take care of him when he has a major medical.
Seems like there's two on here, one being IR, without insurance, and he's going to let the social programs take care of him when he has a major medical.
Anonymous-0
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Hey you still dating Palins daughter?
You know this would be a lot better if you all knew what you were talking about.I can already see the same ones are going to degenerate this into a right vs left,abundant vs conservative war,and the crooks laugh themselves to the bank.Its the same old stuff on the Right wing nut job radio all day too.
If you like the way things are now and you are a"Conservative"what will you do if you have a heart attack or get cancer,and because you think that insurance company should only care about profit,refuse to pay for any treatment?As soon as you get 50 or a little over insurance gets real expensive.Then after you pay premiums they put more and more of the cost off on you because at first you get higher and higher deductables to afford insurance.If you save up 5000 to pay a deductable they will charge you 20000.Its all so they take your money and dont pay the bill.Its not to help you out anymore,its to make crooks rich.
Now let that sink in.Along comes external_link and the rest of them and they want to fix that and other problems.Their methods right now are rough and one sided,but they wont get that passed.Maybe with some real debate,and compromise we will get a better system.
Dont pat yourself on the back if you are a "Conservative"because you are responsible for the mess as it is now.If you want to do something,help fix it,but first know what you are talking about.If you want to call names and point fingers follow gun gurus suggestion to Tom 43.
When you all start acting like you are an authority,spewing things about the President and how he is so bad,at least he is trying to do something.Bush is why he thinks he needs to.Bush was the worst President in history.You all have nothing to brag about.Now external_link can be the next worst President in history and still be better than Bush.Know why Hes better?He tried to fix something.Bush tried to sell us out every way he could,Even sold our docks in the middle of a war.He was and still is for that matter a traitor,and is not getting any better.external_link might fix something,but he doesnt hardly have anything left to work with.
If you like the way things are now and you are a"Conservative"what will you do if you have a heart attack or get cancer,and because you think that insurance company should only care about profit,refuse to pay for any treatment?As soon as you get 50 or a little over insurance gets real expensive.Then after you pay premiums they put more and more of the cost off on you because at first you get higher and higher deductables to afford insurance.If you save up 5000 to pay a deductable they will charge you 20000.Its all so they take your money and dont pay the bill.Its not to help you out anymore,its to make crooks rich.
Now let that sink in.Along comes external_link and the rest of them and they want to fix that and other problems.Their methods right now are rough and one sided,but they wont get that passed.Maybe with some real debate,and compromise we will get a better system.
Dont pat yourself on the back if you are a "Conservative"because you are responsible for the mess as it is now.If you want to do something,help fix it,but first know what you are talking about.If you want to call names and point fingers follow gun gurus suggestion to Tom 43.
When you all start acting like you are an authority,spewing things about the President and how he is so bad,at least he is trying to do something.Bush is why he thinks he needs to.Bush was the worst President in history.You all have nothing to brag about.Now external_link can be the next worst President in history and still be better than Bush.Know why Hes better?He tried to fix something.Bush tried to sell us out every way he could,Even sold our docks in the middle of a war.He was and still is for that matter a traitor,and is not getting any better.external_link might fix something,but he doesnt hardly have anything left to work with.
IndianaRed
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Just because one person is poor, he has a right to take from someone else?
And we through that term "Poor" around too easily here. Census reports tell us that the "Poor" in America have at least one car, two color tv's, cable, and cell phones. They also receive food stamps. And a very sizable portion of these "Poor" are obese, which means they are obviously eating well, too well. Just because we don't live as well as someone else doesn't mean, to me, that a person is necessarily poor. The pop culture media tries to make us feel that way by showing us how well some of the super-rich live. Why do you think they do that? Might they have an agenda of their own?
I am pretty close to being classified poor, if you go by my income. But I also donate my time charitably by volunteering at a free meal church in downtown Indianapolis once a month. I give to my church, and the Muscular Distrophy Association every Labor Day, and I buy Girl Scout cookies, even though I don't want them.
The bottom line is that we are all responsible for ourselves, no one else is responisble for me. I, and millions of others, want to and do help those less fortunate. But those same people have a responsibility of their own, to provide for themselves. Ben Franklin said it best: "The poor should be made to feel uncomfortable in their poverty, so that they might lift themselves out of it". Work another job, or two. Don't buy cigarettes or liquor, or drugs. Don't eat too much food. Grow some of your own food. Don't buy fast food, which is actually expensive. A whole family could eat well for the cost of a quarter pouder meal. But you see people that you think are poor at McDonalds everyday, don't you?
I, and other "Repugs", want to help those that truly cannot help themselves. The truly indigent, and the mentally and physically handicapped. But far too many "poor" people have been led to believe they cannot do for themselves, and that's just not true. You might not be able to live the lifestyle of the rich and famous, but who can? Look at the immigrants that have come to this country. They arrived with nothing, truly poor. But they worked hard, worked multiple jobs, got thier children good educations and their families prospered. No one was telling them they couldn't do it. And, maybe more importantly, no one was doing it for them, making them become dependent. Today we push dependence on people until generation after generation believes that it's true, they can't do it. And that's the saddest thing of all.
And we through that term "Poor" around too easily here. Census reports tell us that the "Poor" in America have at least one car, two color tv's, cable, and cell phones. They also receive food stamps. And a very sizable portion of these "Poor" are obese, which means they are obviously eating well, too well. Just because we don't live as well as someone else doesn't mean, to me, that a person is necessarily poor. The pop culture media tries to make us feel that way by showing us how well some of the super-rich live. Why do you think they do that? Might they have an agenda of their own?
I am pretty close to being classified poor, if you go by my income. But I also donate my time charitably by volunteering at a free meal church in downtown Indianapolis once a month. I give to my church, and the Muscular Distrophy Association every Labor Day, and I buy Girl Scout cookies, even though I don't want them.
The bottom line is that we are all responsible for ourselves, no one else is responisble for me. I, and millions of others, want to and do help those less fortunate. But those same people have a responsibility of their own, to provide for themselves. Ben Franklin said it best: "The poor should be made to feel uncomfortable in their poverty, so that they might lift themselves out of it". Work another job, or two. Don't buy cigarettes or liquor, or drugs. Don't eat too much food. Grow some of your own food. Don't buy fast food, which is actually expensive. A whole family could eat well for the cost of a quarter pouder meal. But you see people that you think are poor at McDonalds everyday, don't you?
I, and other "Repugs", want to help those that truly cannot help themselves. The truly indigent, and the mentally and physically handicapped. But far too many "poor" people have been led to believe they cannot do for themselves, and that's just not true. You might not be able to live the lifestyle of the rich and famous, but who can? Look at the immigrants that have come to this country. They arrived with nothing, truly poor. But they worked hard, worked multiple jobs, got thier children good educations and their families prospered. No one was telling them they couldn't do it. And, maybe more importantly, no one was doing it for them, making them become dependent. Today we push dependence on people until generation after generation believes that it's true, they can't do it. And that's the saddest thing of all.
IndianaRed
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You're wrong, but I won't debate that with you.
Let me ask you one simple question, I wonder if you can be honest enough to give me a simple yes or no answer.
Should one person be forcibly made to serve another person?
Let me ask you one simple question, I wonder if you can be honest enough to give me a simple yes or no answer.
Should one person be forcibly made to serve another person?
IndianaRed
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Another classy abundant, speaking crudely about other people's children.
Kind and compassionate, aren't you?
Kind and compassionate, aren't you?
Russ from MN
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W. is the parallel to Hitler, he convinced the American public that we had to go to war with false information against an imaginary enemy! Mission accomplished, ha, look what a mess we are in now, and how many casualties?
DH in Carolina
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What the F does this have to do with tractors?DH
I just have to say to all that it was George Bush who bailed out the bankers,signed Cafta that put a million Americans out of work and lots of other things.I guess your side being anti union is real smart too?Almost nothing you named was done by the last administration and Bush/Cheney with their selling us out makes Jane Fonda look like a hero and their government grew bigger than anybodys ever did.If you would go read something about who did what to the country you would know better than to run your mouth about how good the crooks are.Neither side is good,but your beloved crooks did not help anything and are responsible for all the problems we have now.Nothing you say is going to change that fact,and the more praise you put on them,the more of a fool it makes you look.You and all the rest of you live in some fantasy land where the crooks steal all your rights,your property,your pay,and underhandedly raise your taxes by jacking up energy prices,and you praise them?They arent even conservatives,they are worse than the mafia was,have even killed millions of people with their crookedness,and you think they are the greatest thing to run our government?You actually have something wrong with you,and Im not a doctor to tell you what it is.My guess would be you have your head stuck in the sand,could be elsewhere,but Im not a doctor.
IndianaRed
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I believe this post began with "O/T" and a title that described what was to follow. Why did you bother reading it?
MANY PEOPLE USE THE TERM "HITLER LIKE" . HITLER CAME TO POWER DURING A SEVERE DEPRESSION. HE DID PROMISE THE MOON TO GET ELECTED.HE ASSEMBLED A POWERFUL NATIONAL POLICE FORCE , HE TOOK AWAY THE PEOPLES GUNS, NATIONALIZED ALL BUISINESS,ROUNDED UP JEWS ,BANKRUPTED GERMANY,AND STARTED WW2. I THINK ITS FAIR TO SAY ANY OF THOSE THINGS ARE HITLER LIKE.I DONT REMEMBER READING HE PROMISED TO CUT HEALTHCARE COSTS. BUT HE DID PROMISE EVERYTHING THE PEOPLE WOULD NEED.HEALTH CARE WAS STILL PRETTY RUDMENTRY IN THOSE DAYS AND HEALTH INSURANCE NON EXISTENT. BUT IM JUST GOING FROM MEMORY AND DONT KNOW ALL THE FACTS ABOUT THAT.. LUCAS
david - or
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In the finest tradition of the internet,
it is time to invoke the first corollary of Godwin"s law.
BSer loses the debate and this thread should be closed.
Godwins law
it is time to invoke the first corollary of Godwin"s law.
BSer loses the debate and this thread should be closed.
Godwins law
IndianaRed
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Interesting how when the servicemen in Iraq were asked their opinion, they believed in the mission. It's abundant mudslingers like you that don't.
The entire argument goes flying over your head. The only way to ever settle the Middle East down is to have Democratic governments, not Dictators who want to kill each other, and now us. Putting a democracy in Iraq, right next door to Iran and Syria was a huge step to accompishing that. The people in Iran are jealous of Iraq now. They want the freedoms they have there.
But you're just a hater. Hate Bush, hate Bush. Any other facts or coherent points you'd like to make? Didn't think so.
The entire argument goes flying over your head. The only way to ever settle the Middle East down is to have Democratic governments, not Dictators who want to kill each other, and now us. Putting a democracy in Iraq, right next door to Iran and Syria was a huge step to accompishing that. The people in Iran are jealous of Iraq now. They want the freedoms they have there.
But you're just a hater. Hate Bush, hate Bush. Any other facts or coherent points you'd like to make? Didn't think so.
DH in Carolina
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Why don't you kiss my arse!!!!!!!!!
farmer101IL
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Cool more and more nnalert listening to Rush. !!!!!!!!! Gotta love it !!!!!!
Closet nnalert , gotta lovem. !!!! We will take care of you sheep.!!!!
Conservatism, say it ya goof balls, you have been living it!!! lets keep it.!!
Had to get my 2 cents in since the Gestapo isn't watching the site. LOL
IndianaRed
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Well, let's see. I had to have surgery last year for a hernia. Cost just over $3,500. The surgeon AND hospital charged me less since they didn't have to deal with a mass of government paperwork, a very common practice. I just made my past payment past month. Paid in full. Everyone happy. Except for you.
Maybe your son should work another job? Or maybe he spends money on things he could live without? I don't know, and I don't want to guess, he's your son and I wouldn't say anything negative about someone else's children. You're his father, you know best.
Anymore comments about Palin's daughter? Hmm.
Maybe your son should work another job? Or maybe he spends money on things he could live without? I don't know, and I don't want to guess, he's your son and I wouldn't say anything negative about someone else's children. You're his father, you know best.
Anymore comments about Palin's daughter? Hmm.
I think you guys are missing the point. I think rationed healthcare will speed up the attrition rate of us seniors and therefore keep social security solvent beyond 2037. There will be some bureaucrat deciding who gets care, who doesn't and who long we will have to wait before being allowed to receive whatever care it is we neeed. They will have a big spreadsheet and if enough seniors have passed in the period one of us needs care, we may stand a better chance of getting it...if the senior death rate is low, forget healthcare until the numbers get back where the government acturaies want them. Some 30 year old Harvard lawyer will be made a czar and be given the power of life and death over the populace.
That said, I think that those congressmen who cannot figure some foreign junket during the August recess will get more than an earfull from their constituents and this whole healthcare mess will be placed on the shelf next to Hilary's 1993 plan...I hope so anyway.
That said, I think that those congressmen who cannot figure some foreign junket during the August recess will get more than an earfull from their constituents and this whole healthcare mess will be placed on the shelf next to Hilary's 1993 plan...I hope so anyway.
IndianaRed
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Gee, I don't know, because it would be unpleasant?
If you didn't want to be involved why did you open this post in the first place? Just felt like pssing and maoning, huh? I know some 3 year olds like that.
If you didn't want to be involved why did you open this post in the first place? Just felt like pssing and maoning, huh? I know some 3 year olds like that.
DH in Carolina
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The day after the election you posted that you were out of here. Well I see that you are still posting and that makes you a lying POS in my book. DH
IndianaRed
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Good post. See, something we agree on.
See, something we agree on.IndianaRed
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Truth is, we shouldn't be posting this stuff. The site people have a right to their rules. I'm surprised this one has lasted as long as it has. Sundays are a good time to post political stuff, when they aren't working!
Poncho Villa
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OT = OFF TOPIC !! YOU KNEW HITLER WAS A BAD WORD TOO BEFORE YOU EVER OPENED IT OR BEEN LIVING IN A CAVE THE LAST 60+ YEARS ?
DH in Carolina
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GO back to Mexico Wetback!!!!!!!!!! DH
Anonymous-0
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I hope he does mess up the health care system, it will go right along with your life, allllll screwwwwed up === ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Anonymous-0
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Only if its Palins daughter.
IndianaRed
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How about your daughter? Let's talk about her. How about your sister, or your Mother? Yeah, tell me about them some.
GeneMO
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What it has to do with tractors is that if this goes through, your taxes will be so high you will not be able to afford the parts to fix your tractors. Plus the Cap and Tax bill will probably outlaw the emissions from your ole H Farmall.
Also, if you get sick or hurt and cannot get healthcare, you will not be physically able to fix up your ole tractor.
Gene
Also, if you get sick or hurt and cannot get healthcare, you will not be physically able to fix up your ole tractor.
Gene
GeneMO
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"Imaginary enemy"?????? Did you happen to see the twin towers go down? Did you see the Pentagon get hit? Did you know 3000+ Americans were killed?
My son enlisted in the Navy in 2007. The first badge he got for his uniform was one for enlisting in the time of war.
We are at war, or at least should be!!!!!!!!
Gene
My son enlisted in the Navy in 2007. The first badge he got for his uniform was one for enlisting in the time of war.
We are at war, or at least should be!!!!!!!!
Gene
jwal10
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Trucker 40, why don't you read the first paragragh of your own post and take it to heart. The rest is just more of the same, you sure like to hear yourself talk....James
You won't debate that because you don't want to debate facts or truth...
If you want to boil the healthcare issue down to a fine point where it's all about whether or not you're being forced to pay for someone else's care... then I think you have a very narrow point of view, but you won't be honest about that.
Healthcare in this country has never really been about socialism. It's about providing care to people whether they have money today or not... cooperating and helping one another when they needed help. That was how it started. It was long after that before it became institutionalized into a provincial, then national program.
You will find people here who complain about it from time to time but at the end of the day you'll find damn few who would actually go back to a US style system.
You might remember that your hospitals have a responsibility to treat anyone who comes in the door as well... but that hospital then has to figure out how to cover the cost of doing that. I'm sure most of the cost of that comes through bilking your insurance to cover those costs... so you're no doubt being forced to pay, indirectly, whether you know it or not.
In fact, if you look at per capita health spending, the US outspends Canada by more than twice. I'd tend to think that if Canada spent thos kinds of dollars on Medicare, there would be no wait times and the treatment would be second to none.
You have a system where those with money have excellent care and those who don't... die.
Do you think that's right? Is is more important to you that the letter of the constisution be upheld, every cent of every tax dollar you pay be accounted for... than to see someone who is sick get healthcare? That seems rather petty to me.
Rod
Per Capita health spending..........
If you want to boil the healthcare issue down to a fine point where it's all about whether or not you're being forced to pay for someone else's care... then I think you have a very narrow point of view, but you won't be honest about that.
Healthcare in this country has never really been about socialism. It's about providing care to people whether they have money today or not... cooperating and helping one another when they needed help. That was how it started. It was long after that before it became institutionalized into a provincial, then national program.
You will find people here who complain about it from time to time but at the end of the day you'll find damn few who would actually go back to a US style system.
You might remember that your hospitals have a responsibility to treat anyone who comes in the door as well... but that hospital then has to figure out how to cover the cost of doing that. I'm sure most of the cost of that comes through bilking your insurance to cover those costs... so you're no doubt being forced to pay, indirectly, whether you know it or not.
In fact, if you look at per capita health spending, the US outspends Canada by more than twice. I'd tend to think that if Canada spent thos kinds of dollars on Medicare, there would be no wait times and the treatment would be second to none.
You have a system where those with money have excellent care and those who don't... die.
Do you think that's right? Is is more important to you that the letter of the constisution be upheld, every cent of every tax dollar you pay be accounted for... than to see someone who is sick get healthcare? That seems rather petty to me.
Rod
Per Capita health spending..........
No.... that won't settle the middle east down.
There's only one way to do that....
Calculate what grid you need to bomb with atomic bombs to achieve total destruction, then bomb a swath from Libya through to India. Then there will be quiet in the middle east, but perhaps not elsewhere...
Most liberals realize that fact... along with the reasons why it won't and shouldn't happen
Rod
There's only one way to do that....
Calculate what grid you need to bomb with atomic bombs to achieve total destruction, then bomb a swath from Libya through to India. Then there will be quiet in the middle east, but perhaps not elsewhere...
Most liberals realize that fact... along with the reasons why it won't and shouldn't happen
Rod
IndianaRed
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I haven't heard anyone say that's what should happen, except for you. Was there a point to this blather?
We really don't need input from the Far Left Up North. Because in truth, we pay for the rest of the world's healthcare because of the amount we spend on defense. Canada, the EU, Australia, Japan, and everyone else relies on us for defense, thus they don't have to spend much on it and can afford to waste their money on social programs that keep their populations just above poverty, and with no chance for any upward mobility. Tell me about all the great medical advances made in Canada, and all the great technological creations out of the EU. While you may be able to name a few, the vast wealth of creativeness, engineering, and ingenuity come from America, because we still have some semblence of a free market and capitalism so our people can benefit from the fruits of their labor. No incentive, no creativity. Example, the USSR. Not a lot of inventions come from the downtrodden and repressed, now do they?
We really don't need input from the Far Left Up North. Because in truth, we pay for the rest of the world's healthcare because of the amount we spend on defense. Canada, the EU, Australia, Japan, and everyone else relies on us for defense, thus they don't have to spend much on it and can afford to waste their money on social programs that keep their populations just above poverty, and with no chance for any upward mobility. Tell me about all the great medical advances made in Canada, and all the great technological creations out of the EU. While you may be able to name a few, the vast wealth of creativeness, engineering, and ingenuity come from America, because we still have some semblence of a free market and capitalism so our people can benefit from the fruits of their labor. No incentive, no creativity. Example, the USSR. Not a lot of inventions come from the downtrodden and repressed, now do they?
You see I get tired real quick of people that try and say things were fine under the Communist,nnalert,whatever it was,oh yeah Neocons,that ruined the country.Say I dont know what Im talking about?You think I like to hear myself talk?Man you are way wrong.Besides that you know it if you will admit it.The ones that got this mess started were some real bad people.Look around,the truth is out there.These people you think are so good have always been wrong.Every time they come back in history,time after time they are wrong.If you think they are right,you have to learn about them so you can see what happened.If you dont learn that,you get on here and call people names,or try and argue,and you dont even know whats wrong.Yeah its not easy to find for all the propaganda,but its not real hard to find.Look up neocon or neo conservative first,read that,then f@scism,then monopoly,and also look up what was done in the past to fix these problems.No abundant or Conservative in this country would want any of this to happen in this country,which is why we have a constitution.Then if you want to argue maybe if I have time I will argue with you.I figure by then you will be mad because of learning how they used you for a fool and not be so mouthy towards me anymore.You might even agree with me.
blinwmiaol.com
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quit your whining, if we are taxed more we have less to spend on our enjoyable activities, such as antique tractors. It is a fairly obvious connection but since you didn't make it, it appears you are gullible enough to swallow the bs we are being fed.
IndianaRed
Member
I don't accept you premice.
Here are some facts, my communist friend.
Our non-partisian congressional budget office has run the numbers and has said this plan will raise costs. The president has lied and said it will lower costs. The only way it will lower costs is by rationing health care. Just like you do up there. Well, I'm not for it. You can take it and swallow it and have, but when it's my family who needs it, no matter what their age or condition, I want them to have it. You can bite the bullet and tell your mother, "sorry, you're too old for that pacemaker, or too far along with that cancer to get anymore treatment". For me, I want every minute I can have with my loved ones. I guess that's just the difference between us. You'll foresake a few for what you see as the betterment of the collective. It's ingrained in you communists.
Truth of the matter is there is no healthcare crisis here. The 47 million people uninsured is a lie. 90% os us have insurance. Poll after poll finds that most are happy with their coverage. Who the hell are you to tell us what we should be doing in our own country. I know about the lotteries you're having up there to see who gets a family doctor. I know about the people who can afford to coming here to get simple procedures performed that your government TELLS you that you can't have, or must wait too long to get.
I asked you one simple question and you refused to answer it, like I knew you would. That question was: Do you think it is right to force one person to serve another, against his will, whatever the circumstance? Be it out and out slavery, or taking what one person has worked for and giving to another who has not earned it. You can spew your liberally goobly gook all you want, I know the answer. It was wrong to force people into slavery, and it's just as wrong to force one person to work hard to earn a living just to have his wealth stolen from him and given to someone else all in the name of fairness. Americans are the most charitible people on the planet. Our rich have done more for the global populace than any other group of people on the planet. Americans have done more to provide for the rest of the world because of our freedom. Our freedom to work and keep what is ours. And we then choose to share that wealth. When there is a natural disaster in Asia, who do they call? Canada? Hardly! They call the USA. They don't even have to call, we volunteer. When Europe was killing each other in two world wars, who came and saved them? The USA. Our industrial machine created the weapons, food, and money that is took to beat back the Facists in Germany and Japan. I won't stand here and listen to the likes of you run my country down. There is no freedom without capitalism. The right to keep what one earns is a basic fundamental of liberty. To be forced to give one's legitamately earned wealth to another goes against all that our Founding Fathers fought for. So I ask you again, is it ever right to force one person to serve another against his will? In any circumstance? The answer, wether you like it or not, is no.
Here are some facts, my communist friend.
Our non-partisian congressional budget office has run the numbers and has said this plan will raise costs. The president has lied and said it will lower costs. The only way it will lower costs is by rationing health care. Just like you do up there. Well, I'm not for it. You can take it and swallow it and have, but when it's my family who needs it, no matter what their age or condition, I want them to have it. You can bite the bullet and tell your mother, "sorry, you're too old for that pacemaker, or too far along with that cancer to get anymore treatment". For me, I want every minute I can have with my loved ones. I guess that's just the difference between us. You'll foresake a few for what you see as the betterment of the collective. It's ingrained in you communists.
Truth of the matter is there is no healthcare crisis here. The 47 million people uninsured is a lie. 90% os us have insurance. Poll after poll finds that most are happy with their coverage. Who the hell are you to tell us what we should be doing in our own country. I know about the lotteries you're having up there to see who gets a family doctor. I know about the people who can afford to coming here to get simple procedures performed that your government TELLS you that you can't have, or must wait too long to get.
I asked you one simple question and you refused to answer it, like I knew you would. That question was: Do you think it is right to force one person to serve another, against his will, whatever the circumstance? Be it out and out slavery, or taking what one person has worked for and giving to another who has not earned it. You can spew your liberally goobly gook all you want, I know the answer. It was wrong to force people into slavery, and it's just as wrong to force one person to work hard to earn a living just to have his wealth stolen from him and given to someone else all in the name of fairness. Americans are the most charitible people on the planet. Our rich have done more for the global populace than any other group of people on the planet. Americans have done more to provide for the rest of the world because of our freedom. Our freedom to work and keep what is ours. And we then choose to share that wealth. When there is a natural disaster in Asia, who do they call? Canada? Hardly! They call the USA. They don't even have to call, we volunteer. When Europe was killing each other in two world wars, who came and saved them? The USA. Our industrial machine created the weapons, food, and money that is took to beat back the Facists in Germany and Japan. I won't stand here and listen to the likes of you run my country down. There is no freedom without capitalism. The right to keep what one earns is a basic fundamental of liberty. To be forced to give one's legitamately earned wealth to another goes against all that our Founding Fathers fought for. So I ask you again, is it ever right to force one person to serve another against his will? In any circumstance? The answer, wether you like it or not, is no.
blinwmiaol.com
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It must be nice going thru life being such a simpleton. Most of us would see that Red just changed his mind from an earlier statement, but not you, you are so blindly foolish to not understand that. He can't change his mind so must be a liar. Now that you bring it up, you do resemble a POS.
I guess you can't read very well either...
I didn't say it ~should~ happen. I simply said it's the only way to bring peace to that neighbourhood...
Believing anything else is foolish.
While I'm not going to spend the night researching the subject of Canadian ingenuity, a couple names come to mind...
Banting and his discovery of insulin along with Penfield's early work in neurosurgery.
Bombardier and his snow machines... and lots of other things if you want to look for them.
I don't doubt that they were somewhat motivated by money, but I doubt that was their sole motivation. Most creations and solutions to problems are the product of idle thought or the desire to solve a problem of a personal nature.
You can dump all the money you like into your idea factory, but you're not likely to get very good results. That is what the Soviets did... and proved that you can't buy or force nuch in the way of creativity.
Rod
I didn't say it ~should~ happen. I simply said it's the only way to bring peace to that neighbourhood...
Believing anything else is foolish.
While I'm not going to spend the night researching the subject of Canadian ingenuity, a couple names come to mind...
Banting and his discovery of insulin along with Penfield's early work in neurosurgery.
Bombardier and his snow machines... and lots of other things if you want to look for them.
I don't doubt that they were somewhat motivated by money, but I doubt that was their sole motivation. Most creations and solutions to problems are the product of idle thought or the desire to solve a problem of a personal nature.
You can dump all the money you like into your idea factory, but you're not likely to get very good results. That is what the Soviets did... and proved that you can't buy or force nuch in the way of creativity.
Rod
blinwmiaol.com
Member
It is funny you critique others for the "sentence structure" they use yet evidently aren't familiar with puntuation. Your first sentence should have read ".... and when it's not." Oh and what is a "dont"? I am aware of don't but that dont is a new one on me. Seems maybe you need to get off your high horse till you learn better how to ride.
I didn't answer your question because it's not relevant to the debate...
You're being silly if you think that you're being enslaved by medicare.
What do you do if you can't afford insurance for that pacemaker? What if you can't afford the deductable for the pacemaker?
Do you sell your van? Your house? Everything else you own? Or mabey you go bankrupt as someone else suggested...
Pride sure is wonderfull.
In the end when you're dead it won't matter much if you had medicare, but if you're poor you'll probably live a lot longer if you had medicare.
You need't lecture too much about WW1 and WW2 either. The US sat on it's hands for a good part of both. It's only motivation for making weapons was money and it bled the UK dry on that front.
There was a lot of war went on before you fellas got there, and whether you like to admit it or not, the Ruskies are the ones that wore the Nazi's out and they've got the body count to prove it too. There was a lot of big talk and hot air coming from the white house before pearl, and not much else...
Rod
You're being silly if you think that you're being enslaved by medicare.
What do you do if you can't afford insurance for that pacemaker? What if you can't afford the deductable for the pacemaker?
Do you sell your van? Your house? Everything else you own? Or mabey you go bankrupt as someone else suggested...
Pride sure is wonderfull.
In the end when you're dead it won't matter much if you had medicare, but if you're poor you'll probably live a lot longer if you had medicare.
You need't lecture too much about WW1 and WW2 either. The US sat on it's hands for a good part of both. It's only motivation for making weapons was money and it bled the UK dry on that front.
There was a lot of war went on before you fellas got there, and whether you like to admit it or not, the Ruskies are the ones that wore the Nazi's out and they've got the body count to prove it too. There was a lot of big talk and hot air coming from the white house before pearl, and not much else...
Rod
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Well-known Member
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- Camdenton Missouri
All I will say here is look at history and hope it will not happen again hope is the key word. Yep we is on the road to what happened in Germany back in 1939 and heaven help us
Spotted Horse
Member
Yeah,... we had a socialist abundant in the White House at that time too.
jwal10
Member
- Location
- Western Oregon
Do you ever read what you write before you post it? Did I argue with you on any point?
Point #1
Quote, Say I dont know what Im talking about?
I didn't say a word about that.
Point #2
Quote, If you dont learn that,you get on here and call people names,or try and argue,and you dont even know whats wrong.
I didn't call you any names or attempt to argue with you. I was just pointing out you tell others what they are doing wrong but you go ahead and do the same thing.
Point #3
Quote, Yeah its not easy to find for all the propaganda,but its not real hard to find.
You argue with yourself, no one else needs to.
Point #4
Quote, You might even agree with me.
Again, agree with what, 1 minute you bash liberals, then you bash conservatives, then you bash everyone. You run down America. You just like to hear yourself.... argue with yourself. You just ramble on.... Just to stir the pot. Your point is....Who knows.... because you don't....James
Point #1
Quote, Say I dont know what Im talking about?
I didn't say a word about that.
Point #2
Quote, If you dont learn that,you get on here and call people names,or try and argue,and you dont even know whats wrong.
I didn't call you any names or attempt to argue with you. I was just pointing out you tell others what they are doing wrong but you go ahead and do the same thing.
Point #3
Quote, Yeah its not easy to find for all the propaganda,but its not real hard to find.
You argue with yourself, no one else needs to.
Point #4
Quote, You might even agree with me.
Again, agree with what, 1 minute you bash liberals, then you bash conservatives, then you bash everyone. You run down America. You just like to hear yourself.... argue with yourself. You just ramble on.... Just to stir the pot. Your point is....Who knows.... because you don't....James
Spotted Horse
Member
jwal10,... you'll have to excuse trucker40 for getting confused with his own gibberish,.. he just likes to type alot.
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