A Little Off Topic Advice....

Red1 · Jul 22, 2009

When a situation occurs where a thoughless neighbor accidentally sets a fire that destroys or damages trees that you've planted and watched grow for 10 or more years...do not get replacement costs. Get valuation costs.

The fire took out about a dozen of my red cedar....6 - 7 inch caliper trunks. Nurserys will quote you a figure of around 5 - 6 hundred dollars for a 8 to 10 foot red cedar (if all you tell them is the apprx height) ...that includes stickin em in the ground.

But what you need to do is ask for the valuation cost and for the inch caliper size of the trunks....that almost doubles the cost and puts the total figure up there where the attorneys start to get interested. 4 to 6 thousand does not excite them...something over 10 thousand does, I just found out.

Anonymous-0 · Jul 22, 2009

Again location is the key. Red cedars are close to a nuisance in these parts. Wouldn't consider planting them. I've cut down and burned many that are bigger than 6-7 inches. Got one that is significantly more than a 12 inches and a friend has talked about running it thru his saw mill rather than burning it. Still doesn't excuse his unability to control the burn and might him a few dollars.

Nancy Howell · Jul 22, 2009

IMHO - neighbor needs to replace with the same size trees you had. Don't squabble over $, demand he replace the trees and that they come from a reputable grower many of which offer a one yr. guarantee.

Red1 · Jul 22, 2009

Yes, if not controlled and allowed to take over a pasture the quality of the field is compromised. However, I feel better having planted them rather than the various firs and pines which are being devastated by the bark beetle and the nemotoid within its gut, which will kill a full grown tree. I've had problems with bagworms this year but have them under control and I like the cedars...many different colors and shapes. Dense trees, make good wind breaks and acts like a privacy fence.

What the nursery said I might consider is sue for the valuation costs, which are over 700$/tree and then have him plant some 350$ 3 inch caliper and put the rest in the bank.....

Gun guru · Jul 22, 2009

Will insurance pay for anything? Home owners or what ever.

I would make the neighbor pay the cost of the deductable if insurance is paying. If insurance is not paying then tell your neighbor that he has to pay for the replacement cost of the trees....Plain and simple, if it was an accident. If it was done wantonly cause he is an a$$hole then make him pay full cost with your attorney fees.

I have an all wooded lot, all hardwoods. My neighbor also has an all wooded lot, all hardwoods. And he has cut 80% of his trees down cause he likes to cut grass......kinda dumb. I told this neighbor that if I saw anybody ever cutting down my trees then I would start shooting out the window. (I think he got the message)

Alan B. · Jul 22, 2009

I think accidently was the key word you used I would sure hate to sue my neighbor over a "accidently set fire" as down the road what may happen if you "accidently burn his place down? Alan

cadet trooper · Jul 22, 2009

Accidental fires are from a blow torch or some unrelated function like an act of god or power line fell. Fires that are set to clear brush or unwanted trash carry a lot of responsiblity which means watching the weather or dry conditions that forebidden open burning or near a hospital or nursing home those kind of fires have caused thousands of dollars worth of damage and can make a person liable for all of it.IMHO it doesn't matter if Red1 likes cedars or not it did damage his property and the neighbor is liable. The point I'm making is you can do pretty much what you want as long as it stays in the confines of your property and doesn't violate the rights of others. Sorry guys I've seen this situation before however it all depends if you want to be a bad guy with your neighbor and I vote in favor of Red1.

Red1 · Jul 22, 2009

State farm will pay around 4 thou, after a 2 thou deductable.

The guy moved out from the city, let his dogs run free, and consequentlly killed my good friend and neighbors cat.....no remorse

He started a fire last year to burn his little 12 acres, "cuz thats what the ranchers do"...I had to call 911 on that one too.

After his dog kill Mary Anns cat, he had the nerve a few weeks later to ask her to pull out a horse trailer he drove into soft ground, off his drive.

His brat kids have been told by the township to quite doing dougnuts on the roads, obviously tears them up....he never called me to tell me, either time about the fires he was going to set or the one Sunday that got out of control.

He deserves to pay full price...around 12,000 dollars for 13 trees, and 100 dollars for removal....

I've had my fill of the man, although it does stick in my craw to do it to a next door neighbor....

kyhayman · Jul 22, 2009

I just asked the insurance adjuster sitting here next to me. What she says is when she gets claims like this it is a liability claim against the person who set the fire. But it doesnt include getting the nursery to plant the actual tree, unless they were origionally nursery planted. Just pays for the actual value of the tree.

Anonymous-0 · Jul 23, 2009

Well I hate to inform you on a few nursery FAQs. evergreen trees /ceders, are bought by foot height. that is nursery man standards. ask why it is because we have seen trees 8" caliper that are 6'foot,we have also seen 6' trees that are 2" caliper. If you are looking to get them replaced I would recommend is getting a price on replacement of that size tree 12'or what ever and just have them replaced with a max of 6'-8' any thing over that seems to have its growth rate so stunted that it is slow to restart or what happens is that the tree tries to thin it's self.I think any reputable nursery will tell you the same thing. To me tractors are just a hobby 25 years planting trees commercially pays for the hobby.

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