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dbernie
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I have to say, though I've not met any one of you all, this has to be the best forum on the net. That said: I've been complainin' off and on here a bit.
When I returned home from active duty, there was no party, no welcome back, no thanks. It would have been nice, but I went in that little room and swore in for selfless service at MEPS, it was not expected. I felt I was doing the right thing, NO, I KNOW I was doing the right thing, doing my little thing for the bigger picture to help protect our country, our way of life, and the women and children back home. I gave up alot, more than I care to share here, to do what I felt I needed to do.
At any rate, if anyone recalls any of my posts, I just hit 70%, and may go up from there.
That sucks that I'm hurtin like this, but its almost like a badge of honor, official recognition for the dues I've paid, and for what I've been goin' through. Medals, battalion coins, decorations are nice...but after that's all gone away, and your'e at home alone with noone you can identify with...anyway I can barely type on this computer, much less work. Life is good, not requesting help or sympathy, just wanting to share. I'm still holding my own. Though I still remain withdrawn since leaving active duty, my wife I met shortly after returning just doesn't understand where I'm coming from sometimes, especially when I speak of what I have just spoken of. Like we used to say, they just don't know (not gender or race specific, just referring to anyone that just don't know)
Thank you all, God bless you all, proud to serve, don't worry, just sharing, venting, we're doing just fine...and thanking you all for giving me a place to complain. Take care...from my rural place in America next to my tractor, barn, and corn crib...
Lord knows I'm a lucky man...
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Nancy Howell
06-30-2009 06:56:03
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Dbernie - God gave us the ability to communicate for a reason. We all need to share sometimes. Sometimes the ones closest to us are the last ones to understand. Sometimes we don't want to worry the ones closest to us, so we share with others.
We all deal with pain periodically, but that pain generally goes away eventually. Constant pain is different. It wears on you physically, mentally and emotionally.
Yes, there should have been a welcoming committee waiting to greet you and every member of our military when they returned, but that doesn't happen.
No, you didn't ask for recognition or praise, but that doesn't mean you don't deserve it.
YOU have my deepest respect and gratitude.
YOU are the reason we are free, not the politicians.
YOU are the reason we can call or write the politicians and tell them what we think without fear of being rousted from our beds in the middle of the night and dragged off never to see the light of day again if we even live through the night.
No one who has not been in combat can understand what that does to a man. A man my father-in-law served with in the Air Force during WWII was shot down over Italy, captured and spent 18 mos as a POW. When he came home he was not functional. Each day he would get up, dress and go to the living room. He would sit in a chair and stare at the floor all day. Yes, all day. He did that for two years. He did eventually pull out of that and return to a "normal life", but he would never speak of what he went through. If he saw the vehicle of a war buddy parked in his driveway, he would not come home.
Combat changes a man. It does the unspeakable to the living and the dead.
My family has a long history of serving in the military, too. My father and my father-in-law both served over 20 years in the Air Force. My father's brother served over 30 yrs. in the Army. My father's sister married an Army officer. My mother's brother did a hitch in the Navy and my beloved husband, James, was a commissioned officer in the Air Force as a jet pilot.
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
I have a bumper sticker that says, "For Those Who Fought For It, Freedom Has A Flavor The Protected Will Never Know".
That about says it all.
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Gene Dotson
06-30-2009 06:34:05
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Dbernie;
I also add my thanks for the time and sacrifices by you and millions of others
I and 5 of by brothers also served our military time. Three army and three Air Force. Two of them in actual combat and one who barely made it home. He is on 90 percent and has risen above all the pain and memories and recently retired from the automotive testing world. He has a well equipped shop and works on tractors and cars daily and attends many tractor shows. He has no remorses toward anyone. Just wishes he was able to eat a good meal of solid foods... Gene
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
If yu want to BS a little shoot me an email (link n modern view).
I work 12 hour shifts with not a lot going on and am glad for the company.
dave
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dave2
06-30-2009 06:27:16
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Dude. I can't imagine you doing anything honorable in your life...........
this guy didn't ask for anything, just let it go. pick on someone like me.
Dave
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Howell,
Looks like you stirred up the trolls from the bottom of the cess pool; lol!!
I don't think the tree farm or vet actually served a day, but are a couple of losers wanting to rain on others happiness and pride.
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Thank you for serving. We don't do enough for our vets. I try to contibute to the veteran facility here every Christmas. It's the least we can do, especially for the WWII vets. My dad turned 91 a couple weeks ago.He served in the Phillipines--no combat--just behind the action. In a few more years all the WWII vets will just be memories or pictures on someone's mantle. Kind of sad.
Larry in Michigan
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Thank you for your service!
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James Howell
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
I am firmly shaking your hand right now, looking you straight in the eyes, and saying "Thank you for your service."
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tree farm
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to James Howell, 06-30-2009 05:15:33
I Served 8 Honorable years in the United States Army, YOU James Howell was too much of a Coward to give Service to this United States of America.
I look for or ask for no Special recognition..
and then call others what you are.......
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The Vet
06-30-2009 05:11:32
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
If ALL Service Vet's felt the way you feel, we'd be in a hell of of fix, I'm an Army Vet, and I joined because I wanted to, and the government paid me for being there, that's my reward, just like any job,
Your thinking some one should recognize you for doing a job, think again, if you need help, go to a VA Clinic and visit with a psychologist, they will give you the recognizing your looking for.
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James Howell
06-30-2009 05:36:38
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to The Vet, 06-30-2009 05:11:32
MN Joe you are using The Vet as just another temporary alias to demoralize and degrade another human being.
MN Joe your bad reputation on this forum, due to your behavior as illustrated above, evidently has no lower boundaries.
MN Joe you have now disrespected a disabled war veteran.
MN Joe you are a lowly coward and a damned liar.
James L. Howell
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bradk
06-30-2009 06:40:33
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to James Howell, 06-30-2009 05:36:38
James H, looks like you got 'em on the run.Joe's so worked up,he's making double replies.Looks like early signs of self-destruction.
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tree farm
06-30-2009 05:59:39
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to James Howell, 06-30-2009 05:36:38
Looks like MN Joe put a Life time Dent in your Life, Good for HIM, and BAD for you James Howell, ha ha ha
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06-30-2009 05:30:26
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to The Vet, 06-30-2009 05:11:32
The Vet said: (quoted from post at 05:11:32 06/30/09)
Your thinking some one should recognize you for doing a job, think again, if you need help, go to a VA Clinic and visit with a psychologist, they will give you the recognizing your looking for.
Lighten up a little dude.... Everyone needs to vent a little. I'd rather see him settin on his place drawing my bucks as disability than some of the folks that I see daily using a service connected disability (even if it's hurt knees from playing basket ball when they should have been working) as a crutch to gain/keep employment.
Dave
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tree farm
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dave2, 06-30-2009 05:30:26
Thank Dave, your sure right, I wish I could lighten up, but these guys who JOIN some thing, then want special recognition, need to visit a VA Clinic and talk with a physiologist. and when the Vet vent's with them, they give you what you don't want to hear, Reality..
I have grand kids that are hurting from playing Sports, I did tell them back then, their wasting time and should be learning a Trade to earn a living, and not use our Tax dollars paying their bills.
People will not listen, but I get to tell them anyway, and they sure don't like it, but that's just tuff...
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06-30-2009 06:09:47
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dave2, 06-30-2009 05:30:26
Thank Dave, your sure right, I wish I could lighten up, but these guys who JOIN some thing, then want special recognition, need to visit a VA Clinic and talk with a physiologist. and when the Vet vent's with them, they give you what you don't want to hear, Reality..
I have grand kids that are hurting from playing Sports, I did tell them back then, their wasting time and should be learning a Trade to earn a living, and not use our Tax dollars paying their bills.
People will not listen, but I get to tell them anyway, and they sure don't like it, but that's just tuff...
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
All I can say is thank you for your service. I know there's no way I can understand the sacrifices that you and so many other servicemen have made over the past eight years, but I am truly grateful.
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Everybody thinks it, but few people will come out to say it.
Thanks for being in the military and protecting all of us.
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jahaze
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
We're always willing to listen. I think most people are unaware of what to say/do to our returing service men and women. I guess I'll keep it simple and say that you need to remember you are not forgotten and there are those of us out there who are greatful for your service to our country. God Bless.
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IAGary
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Thanks for serving our country.
Gary
dbernie
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I have to say, though I've not met any one of you all, this has to be the best forum on the net. That said: I've been complainin' off and on here a bit.
When I returned home from active duty, there was no party, no welcome back, no thanks. It would have been nice, but I went in that little room and swore in for selfless service at MEPS, it was not expected. I felt I was doing the right thing, NO, I KNOW I was doing the right thing, doing my little thing for the bigger picture to help protect our country, our way of life, and the women and children back home. I gave up alot, more than I care to share here, to do what I felt I needed to do.
At any rate, if anyone recalls any of my posts, I just hit 70%, and may go up from there.
That sucks that I'm hurtin like this, but its almost like a badge of honor, official recognition for the dues I've paid, and for what I've been goin' through. Medals, battalion coins, decorations are nice...but after that's all gone away, and your'e at home alone with noone you can identify with...anyway I can barely type on this computer, much less work. Life is good, not requesting help or sympathy, just wanting to share. I'm still holding my own. Though I still remain withdrawn since leaving active duty, my wife I met shortly after returning just doesn't understand where I'm coming from sometimes, especially when I speak of what I have just spoken of. Like we used to say, they just don't know (not gender or race specific, just referring to anyone that just don't know)
Thank you all, God bless you all, proud to serve, don't worry, just sharing, venting, we're doing just fine...and thanking you all for giving me a place to complain. Take care...from my rural place in America next to my tractor, barn, and corn crib...
Lord knows I'm a lucky man... [Reply] [No Email]
Nancy Howell
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Dbernie - God gave us the ability to communicate for a reason. We all need to share sometimes. Sometimes the ones closest to us are the last ones to understand. Sometimes we don't want to worry the ones closest to us, so we share with others.
We all deal with pain periodically, but that pain generally goes away eventually. Constant pain is different. It wears on you physically, mentally and emotionally.
Yes, there should have been a welcoming committee waiting to greet you and every member of our military when they returned, but that doesn't happen.
No, you didn't ask for recognition or praise, but that doesn't mean you don't deserve it.
YOU have my deepest respect and gratitude.
YOU are the reason we are free, not the politicians.
YOU are the reason we can call or write the politicians and tell them what we think without fear of being rousted from our beds in the middle of the night and dragged off never to see the light of day again if we even live through the night.
No one who has not been in combat can understand what that does to a man. A man my father-in-law served with in the Air Force during WWII was shot down over Italy, captured and spent 18 mos as a POW. When he came home he was not functional. Each day he would get up, dress and go to the living room. He would sit in a chair and stare at the floor all day. Yes, all day. He did that for two years. He did eventually pull out of that and return to a "normal life", but he would never speak of what he went through. If he saw the vehicle of a war buddy parked in his driveway, he would not come home.
Combat changes a man. It does the unspeakable to the living and the dead.
My family has a long history of serving in the military, too. My father and my father-in-law both served over 20 years in the Air Force. My father's brother served over 30 yrs. in the Army. My father's sister married an Army officer. My mother's brother did a hitch in the Navy and my beloved husband, James, was a commissioned officer in the Air Force as a jet pilot.
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Goose
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
I have a bumper sticker that says, "For Those Who Fought For It, Freedom Has A Flavor The Protected Will Never Know".
That about says it all.
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Gene Dotson
06-30-2009 06:34:05
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Dbernie;
I also add my thanks for the time and sacrifices by you and millions of others
I and 5 of by brothers also served our military time. Three army and three Air Force. Two of them in actual combat and one who barely made it home. He is on 90 percent and has risen above all the pain and memories and recently retired from the automotive testing world. He has a well equipped shop and works on tractors and cars daily and attends many tractor shows. He has no remorses toward anyone. Just wishes he was able to eat a good meal of solid foods... Gene
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dave2
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
If yu want to BS a little shoot me an email (link n modern view).
I work 12 hour shifts with not a lot going on and am glad for the company.
dave
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dave2
06-30-2009 06:27:16
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Dude. I can't imagine you doing anything honorable in your life...........
this guy didn't ask for anything, just let it go. pick on someone like me.
Dave
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Real Vet
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Howell,
Looks like you stirred up the trolls from the bottom of the cess pool; lol!!
I don't think the tree farm or vet actually served a day, but are a couple of losers wanting to rain on others happiness and pride.
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fregienewbee
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Thank you for serving. We don't do enough for our vets. I try to contibute to the veteran facility here every Christmas. It's the least we can do, especially for the WWII vets. My dad turned 91 a couple weeks ago.He served in the Phillipines--no combat--just behind the action. In a few more years all the WWII vets will just be memories or pictures on someone's mantle. Kind of sad.
Larry in Michigan
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WantACaseLASomeday
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Thank you for your service!
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James Howell
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
I am firmly shaking your hand right now, looking you straight in the eyes, and saying "Thank you for your service."
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tree farm
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to James Howell, 06-30-2009 05:15:33
I Served 8 Honorable years in the United States Army, YOU James Howell was too much of a Coward to give Service to this United States of America.
I look for or ask for no Special recognition..
and then call others what you are.......
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The Vet
06-30-2009 05:11:32
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
If ALL Service Vet's felt the way you feel, we'd be in a hell of of fix, I'm an Army Vet, and I joined because I wanted to, and the government paid me for being there, that's my reward, just like any job,
Your thinking some one should recognize you for doing a job, think again, if you need help, go to a VA Clinic and visit with a psychologist, they will give you the recognizing your looking for.
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James Howell
06-30-2009 05:36:38
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to The Vet, 06-30-2009 05:11:32
MN Joe you are using The Vet as just another temporary alias to demoralize and degrade another human being.
MN Joe your bad reputation on this forum, due to your behavior as illustrated above, evidently has no lower boundaries.
MN Joe you have now disrespected a disabled war veteran.
MN Joe you are a lowly coward and a damned liar.
James L. Howell
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bradk
06-30-2009 06:40:33
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to James Howell, 06-30-2009 05:36:38
James H, looks like you got 'em on the run.Joe's so worked up,he's making double replies.Looks like early signs of self-destruction.
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tree farm
06-30-2009 05:59:39
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to James Howell, 06-30-2009 05:36:38
Looks like MN Joe put a Life time Dent in your Life, Good for HIM, and BAD for you James Howell, ha ha ha
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to The Vet, 06-30-2009 05:11:32
The Vet said: (quoted from post at 05:11:32 06/30/09)
Your thinking some one should recognize you for doing a job, think again, if you need help, go to a VA Clinic and visit with a psychologist, they will give you the recognizing your looking for.
Lighten up a little dude.... Everyone needs to vent a little. I'd rather see him settin on his place drawing my bucks as disability than some of the folks that I see daily using a service connected disability (even if it's hurt knees from playing basket ball when they should have been working) as a crutch to gain/keep employment.
Dave
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tree farm
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dave2, 06-30-2009 05:30:26
Thank Dave, your sure right, I wish I could lighten up, but these guys who JOIN some thing, then want special recognition, need to visit a VA Clinic and talk with a physiologist. and when the Vet vent's with them, they give you what you don't want to hear, Reality..
I have grand kids that are hurting from playing Sports, I did tell them back then, their wasting time and should be learning a Trade to earn a living, and not use our Tax dollars paying their bills.
People will not listen, but I get to tell them anyway, and they sure don't like it, but that's just tuff...
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tree farm
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dave2, 06-30-2009 05:30:26
Thank Dave, your sure right, I wish I could lighten up, but these guys who JOIN some thing, then want special recognition, need to visit a VA Clinic and talk with a physiologist. and when the Vet vent's with them, they give you what you don't want to hear, Reality..
I have grand kids that are hurting from playing Sports, I did tell them back then, their wasting time and should be learning a Trade to earn a living, and not use our Tax dollars paying their bills.
People will not listen, but I get to tell them anyway, and they sure don't like it, but that's just tuff...
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
All I can say is thank you for your service. I know there's no way I can understand the sacrifices that you and so many other servicemen have made over the past eight years, but I am truly grateful.
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Kruse
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Everybody thinks it, but few people will come out to say it.
Thanks for being in the military and protecting all of us.
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jahaze
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
We're always willing to listen. I think most people are unaware of what to say/do to our returing service men and women. I guess I'll keep it simple and say that you need to remember you are not forgotten and there are those of us out there who are greatful for your service to our country. God Bless.
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IAGary
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Thanks for serving our country.
Gary
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I know this got pulled, but I copied most of it and am reposting it.
dbernie
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I have to say, though I've not met any one of you all, this has to be the best forum on the net. That said: I've been complainin' off and on here a bit.
When I returned home from active duty, there was no party, no welcome back, no thanks. It would have been nice, but I went in that little room and swore in for selfless service at MEPS, it was not expected. I felt I was doing the right thing, NO, I KNOW I was doing the right thing, doing my little thing for the bigger picture to help protect our country, our way of life, and the women and children back home. I gave up alot, more than I care to share here, to do what I felt I needed to do.
At any rate, if anyone recalls any of my posts, I just hit 70%, and may go up from there.
That sucks that I'm hurtin like this, but its almost like a badge of honor, official recognition for the dues I've paid, and for what I've been goin' through. Medals, battalion coins, decorations are nice...but after that's all gone away, and your'e at home alone with noone you can identify with...anyway I can barely type on this computer, much less work. Life is good, not requesting help or sympathy, just wanting to share. I'm still holding my own. Though I still remain withdrawn since leaving active duty, my wife I met shortly after returning just doesn't understand where I'm coming from sometimes, especially when I speak of what I have just spoken of. Like we used to say, they just don't know (not gender or race specific, just referring to anyone that just don't know)
Thank you all, God bless you all, proud to serve, don't worry, just sharing, venting, we're doing just fine...and thanking you all for giving me a place to complain. Take care...from my rural place in America next to my tractor, barn, and corn crib... Lord knows I'm a lucky man...
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Dbernie - God gave us the ability to communicate for a reason. We all need to share sometimes. Sometimes the ones closest to us are the last ones to understand. Sometimes we don't want to worry the ones closest to us, so we share with others.
We all deal with pain periodically, but that pain generally goes away eventually. Constant pain is different. It wears on you physically, mentally and emotionally.
Yes, there should have been a welcoming committee waiting to greet you and every member of our military when they returned, but that doesn't happen.
No, you didn't ask for recognition or praise, but that doesn't mean you don't deserve it.
YOU have my deepest respect and gratitude.
YOU are the reason we are free, not the politicians.
YOU are the reason we can call or write the politicians and tell them what we think without fear of being rousted from our beds in the middle of the night and dragged off never to see the light of day again if we even live through the night.
No one who has not been in combat can understand what that does to a man. A man my father-in-law served with in the Air Force during WWII was shot down over Italy, captured and spent 18 mos as a POW. When he came home he was not functional. Each day he would get up, dress and go to the living room. He would sit in a chair and stare at the floor all day. Yes, all day. He did that for two years. He did eventually pull out of that and return to a "normal life", but he would never speak of what he went through. If he saw the vehicle of a war buddy parked in his driveway, he would not come home.
Combat changes a man. It does the unspeakable to the living and the dead.
My family has a long history of serving in the military, too. My father and my father-in-law both served over 20 years in the Air Force. My father's brother served over 30 yrs. in the Army. My father's sister married an Army officer. My mother's brother did a hitch in the Navy and my beloved husband, James, was a commissioned officer in the Air Force as a jet pilot.
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06-30-2009 06:35:11
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
I have a bumper sticker that says, "For Those Who Fought For It, Freedom Has A Flavor The Protected Will Never Know".
That about says it all.
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Gene Dotson
06-30-2009 06:34:05
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Dbernie;
I also add my thanks for the time and sacrifices by you and millions of others
I and 5 of by brothers also served our military time. Three army and three Air Force. Two of them in actual combat and one who barely made it home. He is on 90 percent and has risen above all the pain and memories and recently retired from the automotive testing world. He has a well equipped shop and works on tractors and cars daily and attends many tractor shows. He has no remorses toward anyone. Just wishes he was able to eat a good meal of solid foods... Gene
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
If yu want to BS a little shoot me an email (link n modern view).
I work 12 hour shifts with not a lot going on and am glad for the company.
dave
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dave2
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Dude. I can't imagine you doing anything honorable in your life...........
this guy didn't ask for anything, just let it go. pick on someone like me.
Dave
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Real Vet
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Howell,
Looks like you stirred up the trolls from the bottom of the cess pool; lol!!
I don't think the tree farm or vet actually served a day, but are a couple of losers wanting to rain on others happiness and pride.
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Thank you for serving. We don't do enough for our vets. I try to contibute to the veteran facility here every Christmas. It's the least we can do, especially for the WWII vets. My dad turned 91 a couple weeks ago.He served in the Phillipines--no combat--just behind the action. In a few more years all the WWII vets will just be memories or pictures on someone's mantle. Kind of sad.
Larry in Michigan
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Thank you for your service!
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James Howell
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
I am firmly shaking your hand right now, looking you straight in the eyes, and saying "Thank you for your service."
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tree farm
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to James Howell, 06-30-2009 05:15:33
I Served 8 Honorable years in the United States Army, YOU James Howell was too much of a Coward to give Service to this United States of America.
I look for or ask for no Special recognition..
and then call others what you are.......
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
If ALL Service Vet's felt the way you feel, we'd be in a hell of of fix, I'm an Army Vet, and I joined because I wanted to, and the government paid me for being there, that's my reward, just like any job,
Your thinking some one should recognize you for doing a job, think again, if you need help, go to a VA Clinic and visit with a psychologist, they will give you the recognizing your looking for.
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James Howell
06-30-2009 05:36:38
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to The Vet, 06-30-2009 05:11:32
MN Joe you are using The Vet as just another temporary alias to demoralize and degrade another human being.
MN Joe your bad reputation on this forum, due to your behavior as illustrated above, evidently has no lower boundaries.
MN Joe you have now disrespected a disabled war veteran.
MN Joe you are a lowly coward and a damned liar.
James L. Howell
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bradk
06-30-2009 06:40:33
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to James Howell, 06-30-2009 05:36:38
James H, looks like you got 'em on the run.Joe's so worked up,he's making double replies.Looks like early signs of self-destruction.
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tree farm
06-30-2009 05:59:39
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to James Howell, 06-30-2009 05:36:38
Looks like MN Joe put a Life time Dent in your Life, Good for HIM, and BAD for you James Howell, ha ha ha
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to The Vet, 06-30-2009 05:11:32
The Vet said: (quoted from post at 05:11:32 06/30/09)
Your thinking some one should recognize you for doing a job, think again, if you need help, go to a VA Clinic and visit with a psychologist, they will give you the recognizing your looking for.
Lighten up a little dude.... Everyone needs to vent a little. I'd rather see him settin on his place drawing my bucks as disability than some of the folks that I see daily using a service connected disability (even if it's hurt knees from playing basket ball when they should have been working) as a crutch to gain/keep employment.
Dave
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tree farm
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dave2, 06-30-2009 05:30:26
Thank Dave, your sure right, I wish I could lighten up, but these guys who JOIN some thing, then want special recognition, need to visit a VA Clinic and talk with a physiologist. and when the Vet vent's with them, they give you what you don't want to hear, Reality..
I have grand kids that are hurting from playing Sports, I did tell them back then, their wasting time and should be learning a Trade to earn a living, and not use our Tax dollars paying their bills.
People will not listen, but I get to tell them anyway, and they sure don't like it, but that's just tuff...
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dave2, 06-30-2009 05:30:26
Thank Dave, your sure right, I wish I could lighten up, but these guys who JOIN some thing, then want special recognition, need to visit a VA Clinic and talk with a physiologist. and when the Vet vent's with them, they give you what you don't want to hear, Reality..
I have grand kids that are hurting from playing Sports, I did tell them back then, their wasting time and should be learning a Trade to earn a living, and not use our Tax dollars paying their bills.
People will not listen, but I get to tell them anyway, and they sure don't like it, but that's just tuff...
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
All I can say is thank you for your service. I know there's no way I can understand the sacrifices that you and so many other servicemen have made over the past eight years, but I am truly grateful.
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Kruse
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Everybody thinks it, but few people will come out to say it.
Thanks for being in the military and protecting all of us.
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jahaze
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
We're always willing to listen. I think most people are unaware of what to say/do to our returing service men and women. I guess I'll keep it simple and say that you need to remember you are not forgotten and there are those of us out there who are greatful for your service to our country. God Bless.
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IAGary
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Thanks for serving our country.
Gary
dbernie
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I have to say, though I've not met any one of you all, this has to be the best forum on the net. That said: I've been complainin' off and on here a bit.
When I returned home from active duty, there was no party, no welcome back, no thanks. It would have been nice, but I went in that little room and swore in for selfless service at MEPS, it was not expected. I felt I was doing the right thing, NO, I KNOW I was doing the right thing, doing my little thing for the bigger picture to help protect our country, our way of life, and the women and children back home. I gave up alot, more than I care to share here, to do what I felt I needed to do.
At any rate, if anyone recalls any of my posts, I just hit 70%, and may go up from there.
That sucks that I'm hurtin like this, but its almost like a badge of honor, official recognition for the dues I've paid, and for what I've been goin' through. Medals, battalion coins, decorations are nice...but after that's all gone away, and your'e at home alone with noone you can identify with...anyway I can barely type on this computer, much less work. Life is good, not requesting help or sympathy, just wanting to share. I'm still holding my own. Though I still remain withdrawn since leaving active duty, my wife I met shortly after returning just doesn't understand where I'm coming from sometimes, especially when I speak of what I have just spoken of. Like we used to say, they just don't know (not gender or race specific, just referring to anyone that just don't know)
Thank you all, God bless you all, proud to serve, don't worry, just sharing, venting, we're doing just fine...and thanking you all for giving me a place to complain. Take care...from my rural place in America next to my tractor, barn, and corn crib...
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Nancy Howell
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Dbernie - God gave us the ability to communicate for a reason. We all need to share sometimes. Sometimes the ones closest to us are the last ones to understand. Sometimes we don't want to worry the ones closest to us, so we share with others.
We all deal with pain periodically, but that pain generally goes away eventually. Constant pain is different. It wears on you physically, mentally and emotionally.
Yes, there should have been a welcoming committee waiting to greet you and every member of our military when they returned, but that doesn't happen.
No, you didn't ask for recognition or praise, but that doesn't mean you don't deserve it.
YOU have my deepest respect and gratitude.
YOU are the reason we are free, not the politicians.
YOU are the reason we can call or write the politicians and tell them what we think without fear of being rousted from our beds in the middle of the night and dragged off never to see the light of day again if we even live through the night.
No one who has not been in combat can understand what that does to a man. A man my father-in-law served with in the Air Force during WWII was shot down over Italy, captured and spent 18 mos as a POW. When he came home he was not functional. Each day he would get up, dress and go to the living room. He would sit in a chair and stare at the floor all day. Yes, all day. He did that for two years. He did eventually pull out of that and return to a "normal life", but he would never speak of what he went through. If he saw the vehicle of a war buddy parked in his driveway, he would not come home.
Combat changes a man. It does the unspeakable to the living and the dead.
My family has a long history of serving in the military, too. My father and my father-in-law both served over 20 years in the Air Force. My father's brother served over 30 yrs. in the Army. My father's sister married an Army officer. My mother's brother did a hitch in the Navy and my beloved husband, James, was a commissioned officer in the Air Force as a jet pilot.
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Goose
06-30-2009 06:35:11
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
I have a bumper sticker that says, "For Those Who Fought For It, Freedom Has A Flavor The Protected Will Never Know".
That about says it all.
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Gene Dotson
06-30-2009 06:34:05
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Dbernie;
I also add my thanks for the time and sacrifices by you and millions of others
I and 5 of by brothers also served our military time. Three army and three Air Force. Two of them in actual combat and one who barely made it home. He is on 90 percent and has risen above all the pain and memories and recently retired from the automotive testing world. He has a well equipped shop and works on tractors and cars daily and attends many tractor shows. He has no remorses toward anyone. Just wishes he was able to eat a good meal of solid foods... Gene
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06-30-2009 06:29:05
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
If yu want to BS a little shoot me an email (link n modern view).
I work 12 hour shifts with not a lot going on and am glad for the company.
dave
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dave2
06-30-2009 06:27:16
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Dude. I can't imagine you doing anything honorable in your life...........
this guy didn't ask for anything, just let it go. pick on someone like me.
Dave
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Real Vet
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Howell,
Looks like you stirred up the trolls from the bottom of the cess pool; lol!!
I don't think the tree farm or vet actually served a day, but are a couple of losers wanting to rain on others happiness and pride.
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fregienewbee
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Thank you for serving. We don't do enough for our vets. I try to contibute to the veteran facility here every Christmas. It's the least we can do, especially for the WWII vets. My dad turned 91 a couple weeks ago.He served in the Phillipines--no combat--just behind the action. In a few more years all the WWII vets will just be memories or pictures on someone's mantle. Kind of sad.
Larry in Michigan
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06-30-2009 05:21:47
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Thank you for your service!
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James Howell
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
I am firmly shaking your hand right now, looking you straight in the eyes, and saying "Thank you for your service."
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tree farm
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to James Howell, 06-30-2009 05:15:33
I Served 8 Honorable years in the United States Army, YOU James Howell was too much of a Coward to give Service to this United States of America.
I look for or ask for no Special recognition..
and then call others what you are.......
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The Vet
06-30-2009 05:11:32
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
If ALL Service Vet's felt the way you feel, we'd be in a hell of of fix, I'm an Army Vet, and I joined because I wanted to, and the government paid me for being there, that's my reward, just like any job,
Your thinking some one should recognize you for doing a job, think again, if you need help, go to a VA Clinic and visit with a psychologist, they will give you the recognizing your looking for.
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to The Vet, 06-30-2009 05:11:32
MN Joe you are using The Vet as just another temporary alias to demoralize and degrade another human being.
MN Joe your bad reputation on this forum, due to your behavior as illustrated above, evidently has no lower boundaries.
MN Joe you have now disrespected a disabled war veteran.
MN Joe you are a lowly coward and a damned liar.
James L. Howell
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bradk
06-30-2009 06:40:33
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to James Howell, 06-30-2009 05:36:38
James H, looks like you got 'em on the run.Joe's so worked up,he's making double replies.Looks like early signs of self-destruction.
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tree farm
06-30-2009 05:59:39
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to James Howell, 06-30-2009 05:36:38
Looks like MN Joe put a Life time Dent in your Life, Good for HIM, and BAD for you James Howell, ha ha ha
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06-30-2009 05:30:26
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to The Vet, 06-30-2009 05:11:32
The Vet said: (quoted from post at 05:11:32 06/30/09)
Your thinking some one should recognize you for doing a job, think again, if you need help, go to a VA Clinic and visit with a psychologist, they will give you the recognizing your looking for.
Lighten up a little dude.... Everyone needs to vent a little. I'd rather see him settin on his place drawing my bucks as disability than some of the folks that I see daily using a service connected disability (even if it's hurt knees from playing basket ball when they should have been working) as a crutch to gain/keep employment.
Dave
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tree farm
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dave2, 06-30-2009 05:30:26
Thank Dave, your sure right, I wish I could lighten up, but these guys who JOIN some thing, then want special recognition, need to visit a VA Clinic and talk with a physiologist. and when the Vet vent's with them, they give you what you don't want to hear, Reality..
I have grand kids that are hurting from playing Sports, I did tell them back then, their wasting time and should be learning a Trade to earn a living, and not use our Tax dollars paying their bills.
People will not listen, but I get to tell them anyway, and they sure don't like it, but that's just tuff...
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dave2, 06-30-2009 05:30:26
Thank Dave, your sure right, I wish I could lighten up, but these guys who JOIN some thing, then want special recognition, need to visit a VA Clinic and talk with a physiologist. and when the Vet vent's with them, they give you what you don't want to hear, Reality..
I have grand kids that are hurting from playing Sports, I did tell them back then, their wasting time and should be learning a Trade to earn a living, and not use our Tax dollars paying their bills.
People will not listen, but I get to tell them anyway, and they sure don't like it, but that's just tuff...
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06-30-2009 05:10:11
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
All I can say is thank you for your service. I know there's no way I can understand the sacrifices that you and so many other servicemen have made over the past eight years, but I am truly grateful.
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Kruse
06-30-2009 05:06:51
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
Everybody thinks it, but few people will come out to say it.
Thanks for being in the military and protecting all of us.
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jahaze
06-30-2009 05:02:01
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Re: OT: disability update, thanks for listening in reply to dbernie, 06-30-2009 04:49:23
We're always willing to listen. I think most people are unaware of what to say/do to our returing service men and women. I guess I'll keep it simple and say that you need to remember you are not forgotten and there are those of us out there who are greatful for your service to our country. God Bless.
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IAGary
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Thanks for serving our country.
Gary
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