Amish in trouble !

Old Roy · May 12, 2009

In the paper today,
Last couple weeks has been rough for this family.
He was shown handcuffed and taken to jail.

How far is too far?

tompepper · May 12, 2009

Let them spread there human feces around your farm and see what happens to your water.the reason they don't like their pictures taken is because the are afraid the law from the last place they lived will catch up to them.around here they have telephones in their out buildings and generators under their porches to light their lights.They don't farm anymore.some even live in mobile homes and by their groceries with the food stamp card,the same for medical.You people that think the amish are so great let them move into your community,They are a bunch of gypsies, tramps and thieves .

john in la · May 12, 2009

Can you give us a little more details about the story.
Were these two familys doing something differant than other Amish households do ??????

I would assume that Amish have running water; and this would allow for normal sewage.

Anonymous-0 · May 12, 2009

Hey they are Gypsies,Tramps and theives,but every night the men would come around and lay their money down,Gypsies,tramps and theives la,la lala.Now I got that Cher song goin in my head thanks alot.

Mark - IN. · May 12, 2009

Oh, I dunno. I'm from Elkhart County, IN. and lived amongst the Amish all of my life. I've never had any problems with them. Built my newest barn for me, put in all new custom windows in the house, built the bent wood furniture down in the basement. Came off the porch one Sunday and picked me up out of 5' deep ditch cause I didn't make the hairpin curve on my scooter when was going a bit too fast. I'll admit, they could bathe more often or more thoroughly and take a little better care of the horses at times, but I've never had a problem with them. They don't give me no trouble, I don't give them no trouble, we tip our hats to each other.

And Roy...you do realize that I had to go to Start>Programs>Accesories>Accesibility>Magnifier and drag the magnifier over that to read it, don't you? My eyes are gettin kind of old to be doing that to me. This aint the same country as it used to be.

Mark

Anonymous-0 · May 12, 2009

wow tompepper.......... was you mom scared by a amish when you were in the womb?

what you just posted is the biggest pile of steaming dung I have seen in a while.

blinwmiaol.com · May 12, 2009

You sir, don't know many old order Amish folks. I have been almost considered part of an Amish family in Fremont Michigan for close to 10 years now. I have been to church with them and spent thousands of hours with this family and several others in their church. I have connections to several other local churchs throughout Michigan as well as Northern Indiana.
You have a bigoted attitude towards these humble people, for who knows what reasons, but you could not be more incorrect.

blinwmiaol.com · May 12, 2009

Where ya at in Elkhart county? As I type this I am sitting in a hotel room next to the Cracker Barrell on the north side.

Jon Hagen · May 12, 2009

Mark, Have you tried holding down the Ctrl key while scrolling the mouse wheel ? You can enlarge or shrink the image on the screen just that easily.

Mark - IN. · May 12, 2009

You must be at the Cracker Barrel on Rt19 (Cassopolis St) right at the toll road maybe? I'm from just north of Bristol about 10 miles or so east. I'm online right now in Joliet, IL where I'm working.

What brings you to Elkhart?

Mark

Mark - IN. · May 12, 2009

John, I don't have a mouse wheel. Its an IBM T30 laptop. I just tried holding down Cntl and playing with the mouse, didn't do much. Well, actually didn't do anything but move the mouse around. Just the same, that magnifier thing worked, not real well, but it worked once I minimized all the Windows popups and realized all that I had to go by was a strip across the top of my display. It worked though.

Thank you Sir.

Mark

blinwmiaol.com · May 12, 2009

Yep, I am at the Sleep Inn right behind Cracker barrell. I run the landscaping dept for Quality Dining out of Mishiwaka. The hotel the company has to put us up at, on University Drive in Mishiwaka is run by towel heads so when ever I come down I drive over here to get a room, stay where there are some normal people.

Dick L · May 12, 2009

Uninformed for sure. The largest cattle man east of the Mississippi is an Amish man. He keeps over 20 English in good wages along with, I wouldn't have any idea how many Amish family's. He is paying people, Amish and English in three states to feed cattle for him. I have not heard one bad word about this group.
You drive down the road he is coming toward you in his buggy and he will be the first to wave.

Of course there is snobbish, opinionated, mean spirited, self absorbed, sticky fingered folks in all creeds

Old Roy · May 12, 2009

Thanks Jon !!
I learn something new every day.
I've been trying to enlarge it since I've posted this message to repost, can't git er done

Even helps me with regular reading.

Mark - IN. · May 12, 2009

I don't know how long you're going to be in Elkhart, but if you get a chance, take a drive down Rt19 south of town to a place called Myers Implement. I'm guessing its about 15 or so miles south from where you are, a couple of miles south of the US20 Bypass south of town right at Co.Rd 28. You'll know it by the WC mounted up on a couple of poles on the east side of the road. Talk about a boneyard for tractor parts. Just like a kid walkin through a candy store. Lots of tractors, impliments, memories and broken hearts in that place. They are nice folks there.

Anyway, here I am in Joliet and home is over there. Well, I'm workin and a lot of folks aint. I'm pretty lucky I figure. Well, you enjoy your stay and work safe. Bedtime for me.

Mark

Jon Hagen · May 12, 2009

Mark, Try holding down the Ctrl key and press the + key to enlarge or the - key to shrink. It works on my desktop PC and should work on your laptop.

big fred · May 12, 2009

You ain't from Minnesota by any chance?

CCer · May 13, 2009

NO sewerage system, just throw it on the fields.
Schwartzentruber sect been in trouble a lot for homes and schools health and buildings violations.

MarkB_MI · May 13, 2009

Here's a link to an article that might be a bit easier to read.

I don't understand why the county health department didn't just leave these people alone. I'm sure there are much greater risks to public health in the county than a couple of outhouses. How much sewage does a single hog farm generate? I don't think hog farms have to treat their sewage with lime and have it tested before it's spread on fields. Of course there are always two sides to any story; we don't know if there have been complaints by neighbors, for example.

The article infers that the ACLU may take up the case of the Amish families. Will they necessarily be in the wrong if the ACLU takes their side?
2 Amish families locked out of homes in sewage dispute

RMinVa · May 13, 2009

Have a bunch that moved here from Deleware. They are pretty close to what you describe. The younger ones will get drunk and ride the roads with the buggies. Have two famlies that shoot every dog that comes by them. They've been in court several times for shooting dogs.

Anonymous-0 · May 13, 2009

Lets get real. In my area they truck the solids from the Grand Rapids sewage plant and inject it in farm land as fertilizer.

Traditional Farmer · May 13, 2009

Most big city so called modern water treatment plants dump more pollutants in the water every day than a few outhouses will ever dump.So where is the proof of all the damage the outhouses are doing? Once they lock up the Amish they can come to my place we got Bears Shi*tting in the woods!!

just another old geezer · May 13, 2009

Amish are generally good people. They will, however follow what there church leader says over the laws. none of them have an education pase the 8th grade, so they dont understand that these sewage and other codes are for the health and protection of all the people. Sad to see it go this far. around here they will not even move into a area that has ordanaces that conflict with their beliefs. No running water. no electricity. no SMV signs on their buggys. like going back in time 200 years. And the thing about not wanting to be photographed is a thing about their religon, not about hiding from the law. They think it's a sin to look at them selfs. Amish homes have no mirrors and amish dolls for the little girls have no faces. As one of them once told me,"it doesn't have to make sence to be a rule." and they follow leaders without question. I think that the amish leaders in the area should also have been locked out of their homes. maybe then they would consider alowing their members to follow the local regs.

Anonymous-0 · May 13, 2009

Thanks for the tip Jon...

dhermesc · May 13, 2009

I don't want to give them any ideas but, how can the "waste" from a family in a house be so toxic to the land and water while a feed lot with a 100 head of cows is a source for much needed nutriants for the soil?

n9lhm · May 13, 2009

Ditto on seeing Myers Implement while you're here. I live in South Bend and I've bought a lot of stuff there over the years.....

Anonymous-0 · May 13, 2009

them Amish must have some baaaaad $hit,,,,,,,,

greenbeanman in Kansas · May 13, 2009

"You people that think the amish are so great let them move into your community,They are a bunch of gypsies, tramps and thieves."

Maybe the Amish are in your area but not mine. There are very few if any that I would not be glad to be a friend of.

Right or wrong, opinions are just that, opinions. To each their own.

dhermesc · May 13, 2009

Depends on the city. The waste water treatment plants in Oklahoma City and Tulsa produce water clean enough that it could be run through the city water supply. The "grand opening" of one featured the head of the public works department dipping a glass of water out the "dump" line and drinking it.

Then you go to some place like LA and the sewer system is polluting the ocean for miles and miles.

onefarmer · May 13, 2009

Don't say that too loud or someone will be having you teach the cows how to flush. <;~(

Eric SEI · May 13, 2009

The Amish around here (Decatur and Switzerland counties) DO use SMV emblems and reflective tape on their buggies. They also use natural gas lights and natural gas refrigerators. The last Amish I saw were at TSC, they were leaving in a van with a non-Amish driver.

just another old geezer · May 14, 2009

There are about 72 different splits within the Amish church. These in the article as well as the ones living around here are the Schwartzentruber sect. they are amoung, if not the, most restrictive of all the sects. No running water. no electric lights kerosiene lamps. wood stoves. no refridgeration. no smv signs. hire a car and driver when they have to, otherwise, take the horse and buggy. sometimes as far as 45 mile round trip and all day. I think the problen here is that the law may have been changed and the older homes were grandfathered in and the new ones need to be in compliance. I think the athoritys are going after the wrong people. as these two familys see it, they have no choice but follow the churches rules. the powers that be should be going after the leaders in control. They are the ones ordering the family not to comply with the rules.

just another old geezer · May 14, 2009

Key word here is inject it, not spread it on the surface. Amish spread theirs on top of the soil and in a rain, it can run off

just another old geezer · May 14, 2009

The Schwartzentruber sect would never alow One person to make so much money. One from Ohio Bought a farm near me in 2000. he had a oak furnature shop sideline. the Schwartzentruber church limited his shop to even smaller than he had in Ohio. He had to contract out all of his turning and mill work. And put up a seperate finishing shop and lease it to a former employe just to be the same size (40 by 70) as he was in Ohio

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