I ordered a set of front wheel bearings for my 1949 A/C model B from the parts department on this web site. I was shocked and very upset when they came in yesterday. The bearings that were sent to me were proudly marked "Made In China". I work in the oilfield in South Louisiana and everything made in China has been "outlawed". We have had several (not just one) chains break that were made in China injuring people and in one case caused a death. I refuse to put these bearings on my tractor. Let me know what you think.
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rustyfarmall
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I don"t like it either, but I"m not sure you have any choice.
Chinese ones wouldn't be my first choice, but it's not like that's a fast-moving super critical application.
There are still sources for "better" bearings. Take the numbers from them and GOOGLE them along with "Timken" to see who has them.
I picked up a WIX transmission filter a few days ago for a GM 4L60E. It was also marked "Made in the Land of Almost Right. What's a guy to do... once any residual US-made filters are gone it's not like we can make our own tranny filters!
There are still sources for "better" bearings. Take the numbers from them and GOOGLE them along with "Timken" to see who has them.
I picked up a WIX transmission filter a few days ago for a GM 4L60E. It was also marked "Made in the Land of Almost Right. What's a guy to do... once any residual US-made filters are gone it's not like we can make our own tranny filters!
I am like Rusty, I try to buy American, Thats first thing I look for where's it made. Seem's that very little is made in this country any more. Yes it's gall's me when I order parts for my American made tractor from American dealer & American tractor manufacture that I get are foreign parts. Dave F.
MarkB_MI
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I wonder what you would get if you had purchased those same bearings from a dealer? They might not be from China, but I'll bet they won't be made in the US. More and more of the replacement parts, even OEM, are coming from overseas.
It's easy to say you've outlawed all Chinese stuff in the oilfield, but that presumes you have an alternate source. That's getting difficult. For many years I refused to buy shirts made overseas because of the poor quality. Guess what: the last shirt factory in the US closed several years ago, now my shirts come from whoever won the bid.
The choice is yours: Use the Chinese bearings, reuse your old bearings or try to find a source for US made replacements. Good luck on the latter.
The fact of the matter is that China is capable of producing parts just as good as the original. The problem is that you really can't trust their quality control. Unless you have a way of independently verifying that a product is up-to-spec, you're taking it on faith that it's safe to use. No doubt that's what happened with those Chinese chains. Anymore, the best you can do is to buy the Chinese-made parts that an American company has stamped its name on. Hopefully they've done the quality control, if not at least you have someone to sue when the part fails.
It's easy to say you've outlawed all Chinese stuff in the oilfield, but that presumes you have an alternate source. That's getting difficult. For many years I refused to buy shirts made overseas because of the poor quality. Guess what: the last shirt factory in the US closed several years ago, now my shirts come from whoever won the bid.
The choice is yours: Use the Chinese bearings, reuse your old bearings or try to find a source for US made replacements. Good luck on the latter.
The fact of the matter is that China is capable of producing parts just as good as the original. The problem is that you really can't trust their quality control. Unless you have a way of independently verifying that a product is up-to-spec, you're taking it on faith that it's safe to use. No doubt that's what happened with those Chinese chains. Anymore, the best you can do is to buy the Chinese-made parts that an American company has stamped its name on. Hopefully they've done the quality control, if not at least you have someone to sue when the part fails.
Brian in MI
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I have bought quite a few CR seals lately that were US made. Got them from the local NAPA dealer, were not old stock either.
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Kruse
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I went to fix the front wheel bearings on my mom's '96 Taurus a few years ago. Went to the parts store and got two bearings, both made by National. I opened them up and set them side-by-side on the parts counter. One was made in U.S.A. and the other was made in Asia. The American made bearing looked really pretty and had a nice finish. The Asian made bearing had a terrible casting and looked pourous. Then, after inspecting it, it was assembled wrong. I showed it to the parts man and he agreed and ordered a new one. The replacement was also a National, but still made overseas and looked terrible. I should have refused it. Anyway, I installed them both and the Asian made bearing failed in a little over a month. I replaced it, but my mom decided to trade the car off.
It's really sad when good American names screw their workers and purchase junk from overseas.
It's really sad when good American names screw their workers and purchase junk from overseas.
Chicago Rawhide still operates in the US. They employ about 20 people in Seneca KS. I have a cousin thats worked there for over 30 years. Where else they operate from I haven't a clue.
http://start.cortera.com/company/research/k2k7osr8j/chicago-rawhide-manufacturing-co/
http://start.cortera.com/company/research/k2k7osr8j/chicago-rawhide-manufacturing-co/
I use thousands of bearings a year in our wheel manufacturing and the company's in the US that are/were manufacturers buy from China and resell them in any kind of volume. A bearing that I was paying .90 for when it was made here went to .30 when that same company stopped manufacturing those sizes and brought them in from China.
No need to be upset, bearing manufactures had to start importing to compete with the importers or go totally out of business. Same as bicycle tires.
We only manufacture low volume wheels now as the higher volume busines went to China starting about eight years ago.
No need to be upset, bearing manufactures had to start importing to compete with the importers or go totally out of business. Same as bicycle tires.
We only manufacture low volume wheels now as the higher volume busines went to China starting about eight years ago.
I agree that Chinese made is junk. I try to also buy USA made all the time, but is very difficult to find. Hydraulic fittings from China are junk. Note my post from a week ago.
I try to always buy Parker fittings when possible. I know that there is now a company called All American clothing, clothes actually made in the US. Someone on here posted the info a month or so ago. I will be buying my next pair of jeans from them, as long as they have my size. Levis are garbage, they wear out quick. But cost $20-30/pair, what a waste.
What China needs is a natural disaster to wipe out some of those plants that make junk. Maybe a 300 foot tall tsunami to wipe out some coastal cites, then they can make plastic buckets to bail themselves out instead of shipping garbage to the US.
I try to always buy Parker fittings when possible. I know that there is now a company called All American clothing, clothes actually made in the US. Someone on here posted the info a month or so ago. I will be buying my next pair of jeans from them, as long as they have my size. Levis are garbage, they wear out quick. But cost $20-30/pair, what a waste.
What China needs is a natural disaster to wipe out some of those plants that make junk. Maybe a 300 foot tall tsunami to wipe out some coastal cites, then they can make plastic buckets to bail themselves out instead of shipping garbage to the US.
Anonymous-0
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Read these post and made me think, I got a shirt as a gift, and yes it looked nice. Later I noticed it was made in the rep. of vietnam, now as a vetern of that police action I really don't have any good thoughts about being their and need to say it went by the wayside, seems no matter what we buy any more its inported. Why? Mabe just greed.
Ole Shovel
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Send them back and go to your local bearing supply specifying what you want Timken or BCA made in USA but you might not get it. None of us like it either but the rest of YOU voted for the change years ago letting fat cat politicians take money behind sticking it to you and taxing industry out of this country and this is what we have now. Whining here does no good put a boot up the wazoo of your local politicians!!!! They paved the way for this kind of crap economy on your $$$$$ !!! I finally got tired of trying to find some odd special bearings needed finding they were all being made in Japan or Korea and then when I got use to those now they come in same box from Korea but say made in chinky crap land of almost right grrrrrr.
Anonymous-0
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Been working on an M M this winter & it is upsetting to put on china JUNk. Got a regulator , made in china, after working it over for 15 min. it fit the gen.and the screws are all metric . My gauges are from tiwan & the paint is comming off already. They were 1/2 price of U S made gauges. I got what I paid for . I have had trouble with stuff that is made to metric specs. that just don t quite match U S measurements .
garytomaszewski
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Clint.
I'm glad you got what you paid for, this walmart mindset is one of the things wrong with our consumers. If we all made enough noise and refused to buy this inferior crap more of us would have jobs.
I'm glad you got what you paid for, this walmart mindset is one of the things wrong with our consumers. If we all made enough noise and refused to buy this inferior crap more of us would have jobs.
rustyfarmall
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Don"t be too sure of that. NSK has several plants in China.
Anonymous-0
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I hate that Chinese junk,it sure is hard to avoid tho.
jason, NW Ontario
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Someone wrote a book last year or so about her family making a new years' resolution to not buy Chinese anything for a whole year. They made it until about August when something they needed wasn't manufactured anywhere else.
Jay
Jay
Anonymous-0
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Now twist it this way..... I have a chinese made ATV. When I find parts from a dealer for it, they are outrageous. Finally had to have a part that I couldn't find/rig. When I got it it was made in Japan and wasmarked Yamaha. Since then, I bought a couple more parts for a yamaha that work perfect. A carb was 375 bucks from a dealer I found in Canada. Took the measurements and bought a Mikuni made in Japan for 65 bucks new. Took the old carb off and it's a Kun Fu made in Japan.
They pass off tools that are made in china here buy not saying made in. It'll say things like Bullfish inc Belgium or Hamburg. The warehouse is there and the tools come right off the fast boat from china.
garytomaszewski
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That's 8 months, pretty good but I guess they didn't use walmart. Do you recall what they REALLY needed ?
A few years ago, I built a 30x60 pole barn. Bought all materials from a local store that knows I hate foreign made. I started installing the metal roofing and 3 out of 10 screws broke. I came down and looked at the box "MADE IN CHINA". I carried the screws back, throwed the box on the counter and asked if he had American made screws. He went back a brought out a box that was American made. To the best of my memory, they were made in North Carolina.
Here is my point---They were priced the same! Which one did he make the most profit on?
This is one of the reasons products are not made in this country. GREED!!
Here is my point---They were priced the same! Which one did he make the most profit on?
This is one of the reasons products are not made in this country. GREED!!
Goose
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I recently bought three throttle position sensors for my Olds 88 trying to get one that worked. The one from NAPA was made in Mexico, the OEM one from GM was made in Japan, and one from Autozone was made in China. None were exact duplicates of the original.
As some of ya'll know, a TPS is nothing more than a variable resistor. The problem with the one that failed on the car was that there was a spot where the wiper did not contact the resistor. The resistor itself was intact. And of the three I bought, none had the same resistance reading across the resistor as the original. The one I finally got to work was the one from NAPA, and it wouldn't adjust the way the book said it should. It took a couple of weeks of trial and error to get it adjusted right.
Imagine some uninformed young lady simply taking a car in with the same problem.
Which is a whole 'nother issue. Our local NAPA store also is part of a NAPA service facility. I can deal with the owner/manager and he'll be fair and square. If my wife takes her mini-van in for an oil change, he immediately tries to sell her as much as a thousand dollars worth of stuff the van doesn't need. It's like as soon as he's dealing with a woman, he goes into an instant oversell mode.
I've been quoted in print as saying that everything negative and derogatory that's ever been said about the auto repair business has been grossly understated.
As some of ya'll know, a TPS is nothing more than a variable resistor. The problem with the one that failed on the car was that there was a spot where the wiper did not contact the resistor. The resistor itself was intact. And of the three I bought, none had the same resistance reading across the resistor as the original. The one I finally got to work was the one from NAPA, and it wouldn't adjust the way the book said it should. It took a couple of weeks of trial and error to get it adjusted right.
Imagine some uninformed young lady simply taking a car in with the same problem.
Which is a whole 'nother issue. Our local NAPA store also is part of a NAPA service facility. I can deal with the owner/manager and he'll be fair and square. If my wife takes her mini-van in for an oil change, he immediately tries to sell her as much as a thousand dollars worth of stuff the van doesn't need. It's like as soon as he's dealing with a woman, he goes into an instant oversell mode.
I've been quoted in print as saying that everything negative and derogatory that's ever been said about the auto repair business has been grossly understated.
Anonymous-0
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What 02 said.But what can you do?
Anonymous-0
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i have one peace of John Deere EQ. a 9300 backhoe unite and needed two bushings for the dipper stick 11/2 in.id& 2 in.od 52 bucks and in bold print MADE IN CHINA
onefarmer
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Leaky Boot
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They hide the made in china label if they can. I bought hyd hose and when I opened the cardboard there it was hidden from view.
Anonymous-0
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The borrower is a servant to the lender.
We owe China so many gazillion dollars that we can't hope for any balance in trade.
Paul
We owe China so many gazillion dollars that we can't hope for any balance in trade.
Paul
Hobo,NC
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what Gauls my arse :twisted:
US Of a manufacturers have their tools made overseas and stamped with their name,,, they ream you out rite good for that stamp,,, my bet is they make more by outsourcing the the tool than to have it made here
I have got nail 2 times this year so now I look it over real good,,, I am not going to pay for a name when I can sorce the same tool for way less than haft price
SK wrench set # 89650 $250.00 made in Twain
E-Z Red wrench set EZRR7 $100.00 made in Twain
Same twain co. makes them both,,, I paid 150.00 for the tool to B stamped with SK
Same deal with Snap-ON
BTW the 2 wrench sets I mentioned are the most handy dandy wrenches I have ever brought,,, I stopped by a dealer to talk with a mechanic friend and he has a set in the top of his tool cart and told me how well he liked them,,, I got a set and its unbelievable were you can use these wrenches and how much EZ'er they are to use over a standard wrench of any kind,,, Being first has its price as I see the price has came way down after they raped all the suckers like me
http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/SK-89650.html
http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/ezrrf7.html
US Of a manufacturers have their tools made overseas and stamped with their name,,, they ream you out rite good for that stamp,,, my bet is they make more by outsourcing the the tool than to have it made here
I have got nail 2 times this year so now I look it over real good,,, I am not going to pay for a name when I can sorce the same tool for way less than haft price
SK wrench set # 89650 $250.00 made in Twain
E-Z Red wrench set EZRR7 $100.00 made in Twain
Same twain co. makes them both,,, I paid 150.00 for the tool to B stamped with SK
Same deal with Snap-ON
BTW the 2 wrench sets I mentioned are the most handy dandy wrenches I have ever brought,,, I stopped by a dealer to talk with a mechanic friend and he has a set in the top of his tool cart and told me how well he liked them,,, I got a set and its unbelievable were you can use these wrenches and how much EZ'er they are to use over a standard wrench of any kind,,, Being first has its price as I see the price has came way down after they raped all the suckers like me
http://www.thetoolwarehouse.net/shop/SK-89650.html
http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/ezrrf7.html
Never verified the truth of the story, but I was told that years ago when Japan was the main supplier of inferior imports, people weren't buying--they looked for U.S.A. made. Until someone put a stop to it, Japan renamed a manufacturing town Usa, Japan. They then legally marked products made in USA...
Could just be a story...
Could just be a story...
Bill Shafer
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Well the world is coming to the end. I was helping a guy unload a horse trailer so I could work on the genset. Found a roll of toilet paper made in China.
Anonymous-0
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Along with the other post about the world coming to an end because of Chinese toilet paper heres one for the dinner table and the good old American style diners : as of yesterday the famous Syracuse China made in Syracuse , NY (actually a small town outside Syracuse (Solvay, NY) is now going to be made in China-- label to still say Syracuse China Co. but added made in CHINA on the backs instead . Food and coffee and the local diner(s) and dinner table(s) will never be the same. Imagine that : Syracuse china made in China !!!
THEkyroastnear
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recently bought some gears for 82 ford truck trans.at a place that does a lot of oil field work one of the commerical type places when i got home and opened up the boxes i was shocked to read made in india had them open at shop to make sure they matched but did not notice the made in tag dont like it but what ya gonna do
Hobo,NC
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You know thats a good question
Mite B the answer to all of our economy problems
So WHO's a politician we can trust that can bring jobs back,,, WELL NONE they are gone forever,,, really they are lost forever BUT we got HOPE,,, some kinda GREEN job is spose to save us
Gun sales are up you know,,, mite look into that,,, mite wanna B on the tote'n side 8)
Imagine that, it was just a story...
Good to know. I'd forgotten the story til I read this thread,
hopefully I can forget it again
BTW--
Years ago when I wrenched professionally in a custom vehicle shop, parts came in Amercan made, almost always fit.
Imported--Japan, Taiwan, India, etc...
Almost always required re-machining, re-work, re-finishing, and never did hold up as well or as long as the American made stuff...
Good to know. I'd forgotten the story til I read this thread,
hopefully I can forget it again
BTW--
Years ago when I wrenched professionally in a custom vehicle shop, parts came in Amercan made, almost always fit.
Imported--Japan, Taiwan, India, etc...
Almost always required re-machining, re-work, re-finishing, and never did hold up as well or as long as the American made stuff...
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