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OT: Somali Priates?? What to do?

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I read on Yahoo news that a US destroyer showed up to assist that cargo ship.

I sure hope that US Navy personell dont allow these pirates to just say their sorry and it wont happen again.

If I was the captain of the US destroyer I would tie a piece of steel around the legs of each of the pirates and then make them walk the plank. Or just shoot them in the head.
Of course have video of the whole thing and deliver a copy to news centers around the world to show what happens when you want to be a pirate.
 
Obviously it was the fault of the USA so secretary of state and president will go and apologize and offer reparations.
 
If all the ships crew had something like a 30-06 this pirateing would come to a quick stop.

I thought it was also of interest the ships cargo was a load of food from USA missions to help out the families of the people who hi-jacked it.
 
These pirates are well armed, especially with rocket propelled grenades. The last thing you want to do is put the ship at risk of loosing all the cargo. It actually makes more economic sense to let the pirates take them and then pay the ransom. The best solution would be to help strengthen and expand the government of somalia, restore its economy and get the pirates working.
 
(sarcasm light on)

And the best way to "help strengthen and expand the government of somalia, restore its economy and get the pirates working" would be a giant infusion of cash from American taxpayers. They seem like really nice people who just need a little extra cash right now help meet their families' needs.

(sarcasm light off)

Tom in TN
 
Worst part is they're giving our traditional pirates a bad name. Captain Blood (Errol Flynn) would never have be seen dressed like those Somali hooligans.

And what about romancing the likes of Olivia Dehavilland ? It's all gone to hell. Keel haul 'em all says I.
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I am glad you are just in Texas and not from Texas.... That is rediculous! If you kill a few of these vermin, they will stop. Why would you want some sorry a@@ priates to get paid? If they arm the ships and the pirates get shot at a few times, that is a deterent in its self. Like having a security sign in your front yard, That is a 40% deterent on its own.
 
Do your research. There is no government in Somalia, hasn't been one for 20 years.
 
"arm all ships". Who will do this? These are private company ships. Crews are seamen not warriors. If you were a crew man, you'd get into a gun battle with pirates for the profit of the company? You're paid to be a crew man not protect the cargo. If the company wants to protect, then they should hire security with appropriate arms, and that's not a few rifles with limited range.
Nope, that's why companies have insurance.
 
i believe a few shots from those big battleship guns would solve the problem....quickley. follow up with an airstrike from F-14 on the 'survivors' and the pirate haven would be no more.
 
Big time problems: apparently the Americans regained control of the ship before o'bummer could issue an apology. What's a dumlib president to do?????
 
30.06 has an effective range of about 600 yards in the hands of a skilled marksman and properly sighted in. Shooting one of a boat, into a cross wind at a target that's hunkered down in a small, fast moving boat is like tossing bullets out randomly hoping to hit something.
The pirates have assorted weapons, like rpgs with a range of 500 yards or so and all they need to do is stop for a moment and let fly at a 900 foot ship and hit it anywhere, blow a hole in it and then do it again. Nope, your comment isn't well thought out.
 
The current version is the AC 130. You might like to send it in but where do you station it and to cover the whole coast line of the Horn of Africa and who pays for it? This is a private problem until it becomes a public problem and then the logistics of covering much of the Indian ocean becomes very expensive. You ready for more bail out of private companies?
Still, most on this thread want to do the "manly" thing and the only true solution is escort each and every ship through that area and while you're at it, might as well set up an escort through the Malacca Straits and off the coast of Nigeria. Tough talk is just that, the cost of the walk will far exceed any ransom paid. Sure, I'd like to do the "manly" thing also, but think, if you were working for minimum wage at a convienience store and you were robbed, would you just hand over the $50 in the till or would you fight to save it?
 
They won't stop. Kill them as they show up and still won't stop...the rewards outweigh the risks. You can't patrol that whole coast line, you can't kill them all, you can't scare a man who has absolutely nothing to lose other than his miserable life and if he doesn't care about that, you won't stop him short of killing him. Nope, they won't stop. Not off the coast of the Horn, not off Nigeria, not in the Malacca Straits.
 
Foolish talk...the large guns on the battle ships can't target a maneuvering 22' boat very well and sending in the Tomcats (are they still flying those?) doesn't make any sense. Now if you said to mount some heavy machine guns on board ships and other armament, it'd made more sense but...who will man them? Crews are crews not warriors and visa versa. Put American military on board? These are private companies and the companies hold the key to it and they don't want arms on their ships.
Bomb the sanctuaries? Nope...indiscriminate bombing is stupid...get one pirate and kill 1000 civilians....that'll go over well with the world.
 
I've been to Texas, it's overrated...you're living some sort of macho image in your mind that doesn't exist in reality. Most of your large cities are gentrified and the only semblance of Texas of old is middle management dudes duded up in cowboy garb riding mechanical bulls in Billy Bobs pretending that they're cowboys. True, there are some true Texans around but they're quickly being inculcated into the soft, latte drinking, Blackberry Curve using herd.
 
I will second that glennster not from your link but know first hand, I know what puff could do, seen some of the results.Best way to deal with animals like that.I think if R.R. was still with us, that would happen. But no way with this a-- kisser we have now, h--l he will most likley give them some bail-out money!
 
I agree with BO, the crews are sailors not fighters and should not be expected to defend the ship for the companies profits. What the CIA or navy or some one needs is a bait ship. An older cargo vessel loaded so she rides low in the water and navy seals or other such highly trained fighting men on board. It would have to be kept hush hush since our government can't do this but if a couple pirates were allowed to live and tell the story of how they got soundly whipped............
 
As has been mentioned, these are private companies so having US forces personnel on board would never happen. But I'm pretty sure you could hire enough old fat guys to repel and kill any boarding party that might try and take you and with the proper weaponry and training the mother ship would be history in seconds. It's just a matter of someone deciding to spend the money to do it. As far as I know piracy is still illegal and last I knew in international waters free travel is a given.

These ships all ready have the power for a fire control system...
 
The shipping company is a private business. Those of you who think the US government has no business bailing out yet another private business--especially a business capable of hiring a private security firm that can operate in international waters--raise your hands.

A large percentage of the cargo was food aid provided by the United Nations. Those of you who think the US military has performed enough missions on behalf of the UN, and think that the UN needs to let some other nation take the burden on, raise your hand. [If you already raised one hand, you can now raise both hands.]

I would imagine that at this point there are a lot of you folks with both hands in the air. Now...those of you with both hands in the air...please stop talking out of both sides of your mouth by saying that the US needs to "do something" to "stand up to" these pirates, because you sound silly arguing against yourselves. Those of you who say that businesses need to stand or fall on their own need to get a grip and let this business stand or fall on its own, and decide whether it needs to hire additional security. T%hose of you who say the US has done enough police work on behalf of the UN need to get on the opther UN member nations to provide security for UN cargo, because you think the US has done enough, from Korea onward.

Those of you who believe in this way, but still contend that the US President needs to "do something," are nothing more than hypocrites.

Of course, if you believe that it's the duty of the US military to be worldwide policemen, then go ahead and complain that the US President hasn't done enough, because in that case you would be standing up for your core beliefs.
 
Maybe just stop sending aid to the poor people of the world and then they won't have anything to steal. Our problem is we try to help every one and we're still the bad guys.
 
Cheap talk. Private security companies (ie Blackwater) are prepared to escort each and every ship, for a few of between 20k-150k depending on distance and manpower.
The companies choose not to pay it. Whose problems is it now? The taxpayers?
 
(quoted from post at 05:38:29 04/09/09) Foolish talk...the large guns on the battle ships can't target a maneuvering 22' boat very well and sending in the Tomcats (are they still flying those?) doesn't make any sense. Now if you said to mount some heavy machine guns on board ships and other armament, it'd made more sense but...who will man them? Crews are crews not warriors and visa versa. Put American military on board? These are private companies and the companies hold the key to it and they don't want arms on their ships.
Bomb the sanctuaries? Nope...indiscriminate bombing is stupid...get one pirate and kill 1000 civilians....that'll go over well with the world.
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We haven't had a real "Battleship" since they retired the Missouri in the early 90's, just Cruisers and Destroyers. It was the last active battleship in the world.

F-14's where retired in about '06, they were getting pretty hard to keep airworthy.
 
What to do????????

CALL A UN SECURITY SPECIAL MEETING N LET TELL THEM PIRATES TO STOP THAT

Now that will stop it huh lol lol

John T
 
This isn't an American problem. How are we under siege from the one American ship, with UN cargo,being seized? This has been going on for decades in, primarily, 3 areas of the world and now you get excited? Nope, nothing new here. But if it makes your day to think that this puts America under "siege", ok.
 
I hear the US has a pretty big Navy - but the Kenyan in the White House doesn't know how to use it.
 
Looks like those companies are going to have to hire some mercenaries and mount a couple of mini guns on their boat.I think a few sailors could be persuaded to pull a trigger if the alternative was to get shot by a pirate.If these pirates have a port where they live,drop a few daisy cutters on it,civilians or not.If they gripe very much about it tell them thats what you get for letting pirates live there.
 
Yup, that's reasonably sensible. Private security. Up to now, the pirates have killed no one...they just hold crew and ship for ransom. Still, most of the crews come from 3rd world countries and are not highly motivated to risk their lives nor should they.
 
Apparently no one understands how motivated these pirates are, and the difficulties of patrolling thousands of square miles of open sea. You could capture or kill every pirate that tried to board a ship for the next six months and that would not stop the attacks.

The pirates have motivation, opportunity and a relatively safe base of operations. There is no government to speak of in Somalia. The pirates are bringing huge sums of money into the country, which makes them heroes in their home towns. And the pirates have nothing to lose: they were originally subsistence fishermen in an impoverished country, and the threat of death or captivity doesn't amount to much when the choices are to either starve to death or become a millionaire. Which would you choose?

The only way to permanently end the Somali piracy is to destroy their bases of operations in such a way that they are unlikely to take up piracy again. This certainly means killing not only the pirates, but hundreds of relatively innocent men, women and children who happen to live in those towns. Doing so is not going to make the US any more popular in the nnalert world.
 
Well you can say what you want about Texas, Live here and you will see the difference. Yes the urban areas are diluted with scum from other places that act like Texans. But as with any state or place the real people are in the heart land.

We may be brash, and proud, sometimes too proud, but at least we have a history, and a fight inside us most of the rest of the country has lost. As Patton once said " Give me West Point grads and I will win a battle, give me the Texas Aggie Core of Cadets and I will win the war!"

Oh, and you must have been to Dallas, that is where the dudes with latte's are most of the time. Get out and see the real Texas!!
 
They may not stop completely, but as I said earlier, being armed and killing some are deterents, this will stop alot of it. Throwing money at them and telling them everything is going to be ok is wrong. We spend enough money trying to save the world, lets worry about us for a while. I am not saying cut off all aid, just stop adding more to it.

You can not tell me the force of the U.S. Navy can't control some 2 bit pirates in small boats. If we can't we have a major problem.
 
The reason that pirates have taken over is that the UN has outlawed all private firearms in international waters. In recent history I read of the nice assortment of personal weapons like the Glock pistols that are full auto and have 30 round magazines. All of those are now illegal.

One more reason is that many of the 3rd world crews are closely related to the pirates and the shipping company does not want the crew armed due to the threat of mutiny.

Study our history. We have a Navy because of Pirates. The Navy went hunting with no "rules of engagement" and solved the problem for a couple of hundred years or so.

It is time for the Navy to go hunting again!
 
Reply to MarkB_MI: Apparently you do not understand that some of us americans [myself nam vet] really give a sh-- what the musslim think of me or my country. All I would like to see is they keep to them selfs, leave USA [us] alone, if they want to butcher them selfs go for it. I don't think america should be the police man of the world, it's time for us to take care of our own here at home. In other words keep our own goverment working for us AT HOME, not over seas. I walk softly but carry a stick along with s&w model 29, 44mag. get the picture.
 

Hey MM Fan - I agree with you - a person needs to live in Texas a while before they start telling Texans what sort of "macho image" they are living in...


As far as the pirates go, I'd say we send Bo over there and let him talk them all to death...


Howard
Stratford, TX
 
No weapons allowed on these ships. Well is a barrel of oil a weapon? Instead of repelling them with fire hoses as they have tryed I would go old fashioned. Try boiling a few barrels of oil and pouring or spraying that on them. It worked 200 years ago.
Don from Canada
 
If it was me running one of those ships in the Eastern hemisphere I would make sure that all the guys abord that ship were armed with shotguns at a minimum. I wouldnt want my ship hijacked.

The UN banned guns in international waters you say....Yeah so. F-them. Would you turn in your personal guns from your home if the UN said to turn them in.......Nope-not me.

I say exterminate the pirates.
 
That's what I say - F*** the UN if it comes to my life and my ship. I have the right to protect myself - i'm not going to throw up my hands for the UN and get myself shot.
 
Like I say,just hire some Isreali commandoes to stop the crap,US navy seals could do it easily enough,but weve got to be politacly correct..no government to apologize to,whats the holdup?of course you may have to send the seal teams to destroy sunken boats so they dont become a navigational hazard,but thats good practice.And I would remind all that this is a relief ship heading for a somali port,these guys want money and power if they can control the food supply they have it.these are not poor starving people doing this out of desperation.their armed gangs of thugs with no loyalty to any one but themselves.if they were hungry they would be fishing instead of attacking ships.if you believe in appeasing them check out how many millions of dollars the shipping companies paid in ransom last year.has that stopped them ?send the m to the bttm ,destroy their bases,dam* their pirates in training get them too!I would also suggest you check out how many merchant sailors have been lined up and executed on deck before you believe no sailors have been killed!
 
You have a source for that, clodbuster? The UN has no ability to outlaw anything. Vessels in international waters can and do carry weapons. However the practical matter is you have to do something with those weapons when you go into port, and no shipowner wants to lose his vessel because it was caught in port with contraband weapons.

Also, there's the matter of defending your vessel from attackers with rocket-propelled grenades. RPGs are as common as houseflies in Somalia. An RPG hit in the right place can do a lot of damage to a vessel, particularly a tanker; most masters do not want to risk a fire aboard a ship, which is just about the worst possible scenario. And it's pretty difficult to miss a ship with an RPG, considering that Somalis in Mogadishu were able to shoot down two Blackhawk helicopters with the same weapon.

The link below will take you to an article written by a guy who is actually in the business of guarding merchant vessels. No mention of any "UN laws" forbidding guns on ships.
Guns on ships
 
In my opinion, this is a terrorist act on a US vessel with hostages. No different than attacking us on US soil. This should be delt with by our milatary with deadly force. US policy is we do not negotiate with terrist...this situation is no different!!
 
If it is true about no wepons allowed, then use the danged fire hoses and flood thier little bath tubs or drop an anvil (or something nice and heavy like that) through the hull when they try to board. I bet they drop the RPGs and start bailing.
 
Maybe we can sit down with the pirates and tell them how we don't approve of their action but that we are their friends and don't make war with nnalert. It's worked with N. Korea hasn't it ?
 
You are wrong piracy is leagal atleast in somalia!!! The us gov took over merchant ships in WWII and armed them.
 
You are way behind the times N Korea could do it for us by simply launching a missel. It would be cheaper to out source the job than have the USA do it!!!
 
I respect you opinion. But belive you have to stand for something or fall for anything. Sometimes there has to be "death before dishonor"
 
I doubt those guys would take a 9-5 at Walmart? May be they would take up a job with blackwater!!
 
Willing to pay $5.00 a gal. For american oil. Just think american oil, american workers, american pay checks all in america for america. Love it or leave it.
 
Wonder if we could hire them as border guards and coast gardsmen. To protect our borders, They seem pretty eficiant.
 
Sometimes you have to dig a little deeper. The International Maritime Bureau is a "division" of the International Chamber Of Commerce who is in turn a partner with the UN in setting trade rules.
 
bo If everyone thanks the way you do the rewards will always outweigh the risk. That is why something has to be done to alter the rewards and the risk. US Navy, US Air Force or arming the ships crew, something. You can kill them and they do not get rewarded than it will stop. It is that serious a problem.
Frank
 
In 1982 the Law of the Sea a UN Security Council resolution was signed by more than 150 countries. It is really rather restrictive on what can be done about pirates.

Personally I would like to see some Apache or other war birds used on the pirates before they can even get close enough to indicate their intentions as to why they are approaching a vessel.

Probably wouldn't hurt to send a message by hanging up the bodies of pirates in ports as they did 200 years ago. Kind of barbaric in this day and age but sometimes you've got to be extremely graphic to get a message across to thick headed idiots.

Sure hope they can get the vessel Captain back safe and sound and then deal with the bad guys as they should be.
More on piracy law.
 
if the UN says they dont want guns on ships, they need to protect the ships themselves or STFU.

if these pirates have motivation good for them. Shoot em anyway.
 
get them working??

If it were a dull job making cheap junk to send to the US for pennies a day or making millions ransoming ships, id ransom me some ships.
 
Remember the Isreali ship in New York harbor that had .50 caliber machine guns and some other automatic weapons for crew? Guns were dismounted coming into harbor- boat got involved in civil payment dispute and was held for court inspection, weapons found, nasty diplomatic situation possible. Ship was released after payment of late bills, weapons returned. Isreali government told court the ship had a reserve navy status and reservist crews had right to their weapons, crew served weapons were also reserve and assigned to ship- US/New York city laws didn't apply to weapons not being trafficed and needed for protection- similar to embassy weapons for gaurds- so drop the weapons charges or US could provide military escort and New York City police could protect cargo at docks- New York city would be liable for any missing cargo or crews hurt. Russian cargo ships in Canada also noted to have automatic weapons at times. Old court cases still available for precedents- basicly if weapons are NOT being smuggled in to country and are secured before docking -unless needed for protection in dock and kept on ship with local law notified- the old laws that allowed armed merchant vessls is still in affect for admiralty courts. Depends sort of on ship country of registry and size, how much flag country wants to dispute weapons rights- Isreal as noted in Californis airport counter shooting case couple years back does believe in right to defend, not dependant on host country protective services.
 
I don't have the source at hand but do remember reading it or hearing it from a good source. I may search for it later. I may be mistaken and it is more related to going in to a port. Just like a cruise ship, most are not under our country's flag to avoid labor and tax laws.

The article you link to is a good one and it leaves the details of the matter open to interpretation. I do look at the goal of the person being interviewed in your article. He is with a company that gets hired to be the security force. They don't want the crew to take over the service they are trying to sell.

I sure don't take arming the crew lightly. It is as serious as it gets. When all other means of protecting a ship and its crew are up for debate, why are firearms almost totally excluded? It is within my reasoning that if you can be spraying the pirates with a firehose, you are within their range to shoot you. I don't discount the high pressure water as useful, just not the only option.


"Yes, the cavalry are there and will spring into action, but they might not be able to come to the rescue because they continue to hampered by outdated legislation, UN Mandates and international laws of the sea."

"The use of arms is a grey area. There is no set of clear legal rules laid down by the UN regarding protection against pirates and so the experience that any private maritime security company can draw on when providing protection is paramount. "

This whole matter reminds me of the politics of law enforcement. You are only to dial 911 and do whatever the bad guy tells you, no matter what. When you talk to rank and file officers, that opinion has much less endorsement.

Until the taking of ships becomes very dangerous, very painful, and without reward, it will only get worse.
 
well bo, freedom does not come cheap, it has a price. so what is your answer, let them continue hijacking any ship they please and holding the ship and crew for ransom ?
 
I think we should put the word out. Any small craft within a hundred yards of a ship will be sunk. It is time to let the Navy do its job. Get in some good target practice. I also do not care what the world thinks of this country. We have been kicked around enough. Let it be known that we will help any country that needs help. But mess with us and you will get the whole can of Whopa##.
 
MM fan If you kill the ones that are committing the action than they will stop. If you continue to do this others will soon get the idea.
Frank
 
bo You are not going to learn much about the state of Texas hanging around Billy Bobs, (if it is still there). You have just showed us where your vast knowledge comes from.
 
Nah..I really have to work at it. I'm realistic though and not prone to shoot my mouth off and then not putting my stuff up to do it. Got a bunch of internet commandos here that haven't got a clue..including you.
 
Haven't you been listening to our fawning kiss@ss president telling the world we aren't that way now? Did you hear ANYTHING about the Chinese ship that harassed our unarmed ship in International waters?
 
I'm a vet, my vet post has vets...no one talks like that. Nam huh? Saigon Commando? What unit?
 
This has nothing to do with freedom. This is a business problem with a cost/benefit analysis. So long as the costs don't exceed the benefits of that route, it'll be used. The costs of private security is obviously greater than the benefit as not all ships get hijacked. So there you have it. Nothing about freedom, all about business.
My solution? If I want/need my ship secured, I'd give Blackwater a call and pay them to secure it. Simple isn't it?
 
Oh please...get a grip...these are merchant ships taking a calcuated risk, not freedom of speech or some other thing.
 
Ok, UN says you can't have a gun on a ship. Lets think about this. DOT says you can't have a gun in a OTR truck too. But this is a real big country and a man can get lost, what do you need when you get lost? A flair gun legal unless I am mistaken. I know lots of folks who live in their trucks that carry a flair gun in the truck in case they get lost or need to signal help... or send some crank head fly'n aross a skanky truck stop. A few crates of flairs shot at a wooden boat would do wanders.

About 4 hours ago I was at the local shop and they had several nice Barrets for around 5 grand. If I was a bean counter and my company had houndreds of millions of $ float'n around, $10,000 for two 50cals would be good insurence.

Another thought. Lets be honest here. Some of us raise crops with the intent to make money. The state Gooberment here in KY says you can only shoot their deer for half the month of November. Show of hands here, how many of us would set back and watch a years worth of soybeans being ate up all summer long just cause gooberment says you can't do anything about it? And how many would do what they had to do to pay the bills? If farmers can do what they need to do, with a possum cop in every county what's the odds of a few sailors getting in trouble for doing what they need to do out in the wide open?

Another thought, yep I have too much time to think about this stuff, any one ever see the movie Master and Commander? Just cause it looks like a harmless whale'n ship don't mean it is.

Ok, worked last night and have been up all day trying to get tobacco plants home and on the water before the wind picks up. I gotta go to bed, sorry for the rambel'n, hope some if it made since.

Dave
 

If they are holding the CPT in a boat, send another boat loaded with explosives and a note to either put the CPT on alive and unharmed within 5 minutes or die immediately. Closer to what those folks understand.

Dave
 
Been to Dallas, Houston, San Antone, Gun Barrel City, Amarillo and a bunch of smaller towns....Don't hang at Billy Bob's. All the duded up dudes go there. Texas is a state of mind and not in reality. Ya'll gotta go to Fort Worth to see the daily longhorn drive to see what Texas was.
 
Been to the real Texas....liked a bunch of areas and a bunch of people there. But, you know and I know that the 'real' Texas is rapidly disappearing. The southern part is hispanic and the northern/eastern part is gentrified and all you have left is the western part.
 
Have hear the term "sc$%w you"? Make me Lord of the Universe and I'll solve the problem in a heart beat. Most won't have the stomach for what needs to be done. I'm doing the BS talking, ya'll are, I'm just tossing reality into it and ya'll don't like it.
Tell you what, you get on a ship, I'll hand you one of my M1s and a load of ammo and you "protect" the ship with your life. Heck, I'll even pay you $100/day to have you risk your life while I, the ship owner sit in London or New York eating fine food as you "protect" my cargo. Stop being foolish.
Or...how about we send the Navy in at thousands of dollars a day to save my shipment....you pay the taxes to do that, I don't wish to.
I repeat, think. (potty filter got me)
 
Good golly, I need to proof my posts, I messed up some words in that one. Aw, heck read it like I meant to say it if you can.
 

Well, Bo - out here in the "real" Texas, we have a saying of "all hat and no cattle" to describe any self-puffed, obnoxious, blowhard that is more talk than substance...

Maybe on this website you could post some pictures of your antique tractors instead of trying to impress everyone with how you'll rule the world when you get to be "Lord of the Universe"...



HH
 
Been following this thread with some interest; lots of chest-pounding. There's at least one former Green Beret who frequents these boards and some other folks who've been shot at. Haven't heard from them and I doubt we will; easy to sit behind a computer and say, "Let me at 'em."
 
That's a cute saying "All hat and no cattle". Pretty hokey for most of ya'll. Tractors, got them but not antique....don't have that passion. Do admire the guys who do though. You telling me that I'm wrong in my assesment of the situation? Wrong on what basis?
Give you a little info..I've been through the Berlin Crisis, the Cuban Crisis....and Nam (police action, humor intended). I've got my kid in Ur, Iraq winning the hearts and minds of the people as he sleeps in a bunker and often dodging mortars. So give it a rest about "All hat and no cattle". That dog don't hunt.
 
The president should let the Navy do it's job, like they are trained, and get the ship back. After that, go to North Korea, and get the USS Pueblo back, which they captured from us in 68. Now is a good time for B.O. to show us he is president. Stan
 
I dunno 'bout that...they're sending a flotilla of warships to deal with a single lifeboat. Now, I don't know about YOU, but I'D call that a pretty big show of force.
 
this shipping co is not a buisness,I think if you will check you'll find this is a relief ship,full of donated supplys, on its way to samalian port down the coast for the relief of the people.donated by good caring people.if these pirates hijack it they do not become heroes in their home towns as some has suggested .they CONTROL their home town because they control the food supply.if they were honest people they would stand in line for their share like the rest .
 
Wrongo Jocko..Maersk is a shipping business. Won't you guys please do your research before you pop off?
 
I just saw an interview on ABC News (what a lame source for me!) where they said "international laws" when asked directly why crews were not armed.
 
May be you need a history lesson (or kindergarten) The us armed mechant ships in WWII.
 
Ceement... Good old Portland cement... Every ship shold keep at least 2 skids worth of bags in the hold.
What can't be found........... can't tell no tales.

Rod
 

"that dog don't hunt..." - thats a cute saying... pretty hokey, too, now that you mention it...

I don't give a rat's butt if you are the Queen of England...

I don't follow how your ranting about Somalian pirates turned into your comment of "Texas being overrated..." Especially based on however many (or few) times you've "been here"...

Looks like if you are as red-blooded American as you let on, you'd quit shooting your mouth off at fellow Americans - and keep the topic either on Somalian pirates or let everyone get back to antique tractors...


Howard
 
I like the way you think.

I would give bonuses to US troops for each nnalert that they iced.....Perhaps a steak dinner for each, every 10 you would get a $100 gift certificate to Cabelas or Bass pro and for every 100 you could get a free rifle of your choice up to $1000.

That has to be confirmed kills though....non of this in the leg stuff.
 
Aint going to happen. Because B.O.will find some way to make it Americas fault. Then he can go there and tell them we are sorry.
 
The only reason to take any action about this piracy is because this is a US flaged ship. The current situation just needs a seal team. There are just 4 hijackers in a little boat, let the seals do there job, and then leave them alone. Also this would not be the first time the US of A used its finest to stop piracy.
 
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