Any heavy eqpment operators out there?

Anonymous-0

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Im supposed to start school in August for heavy equipment and site construction. I was wondering if you all had some advice for me. I can't wait, I have never drove anything newer than 1975 except our bobcat its an 89 or 90 and our backhoe is also from the 70's. Hope it don't spoil me.
Thanks guys.

Keep the dirt flowin and the smoke blowin.
 
Learn as much as you can, about everything you can. New or old, it doesnt matter. Some job, some time, you may be operating both kinds in th same day. There have been a half a dozen times this last winter I needed an 'old school' operator who could design as he worked and keep a 30 year old machine on the job.

I'm not sure where you plan to work when you get finished but dont neglect the 'soft' skills. Money management, time management, cooperation, and innovation are important regardless of if you are working for a company or for yourself. Its a feast or famine business.

I could hire a hundred operators today at minimum wage but I have to look long and hard to find someone who will show up when they say they will, be sober and well rested, leave their cell phone and ipod in their truck, be willing to do things the way I want them done, and be able and willing to work efficiently for a full day. Those people are rare and rarely looking for work.
 
I guess I'm from the old school I want someone who knows what and how to do the job. I want to do is say i need that hill leveled and he will do the job while I set back an watch.

If I don't like the work I can always get someone else buy I don't want to make a good operator mad by telling him my way is better.

Walt
 
Never forget how to run the older equipment. The excavating companies around here start there new hires out on the old equipment for at least a year before putting them in the newer equipment.

The most important thing to remember is to plan out the job before you just "turn and burn" on getting it done. No one likes a "Gomer Pyle" excavator who has to move one pile of dirt from one end of the jobsite to another becasue of poor planning.
 
Well Cat, I am a heavy epq teacher at a vo tech school up here in maine. How you approch school depends where you are going. If you are going to a private for profit school for a diploma you better pay attention and learn quick. I dont have anything against these types of schools, in fact they fit a lot of students well that do not like academics. But be mindful that once they get your money they will be less inclined to keep you. Also be aware of your learning. Just because they are giving you passing grades dosnt mean your learning enough to function on a job site. Anyone can run a machine with a little practice. The trick is to be able to make the machine do what it is capable of. Make sure when you are done you can run a grade,dig a level trench or celler hole. Pay close att to laser and transit work. Remember !!Grade IS KING!!
If you are going to a public comm college for this training make sure you come out with a asso degree plus your trade and ditto to the other stuff above. Good luck in school. ED
 
I knew one of the first guys to dig pipeline with a hydraulic excavator. He made the best comment; Anybody can dig a hole but knowing how to make the job look like you want is where the skill comes in. You run a bobcat so you probably know to not try to go too fast. I've seen a few people hop in a machine and try to show off how fast they can go. If you're going to be in that machine all day, let the machine do the work the way it was designed without throwing yourself around like a soccer ball. Your body will thank you. The operators union has their training facility out by my land. They're setting up a bunch of pipelayer cats for training. Dave
 
Part of my past, it's a great skill to learn and have. There is a lot to cover in regards to site work and operating excavation and similar equipment.

1.) Safety is your highest priority, whether it's just you on a dozer pushing off fill, or working with a person in the trench doing pipe, footings, etc., absolutely a must to know for every aspect of this work. You can run a person over and not know it, trenches can collapse, high voltage lines, underground utilities such as electric and gas, water mains, etc. etc. etc. all of these and so many other things are just imperative to learn about. Make sure the site has been checked by the One Call utility locator hotline, prior to work starting.

2.) Learn from an experienced operator if you can, and get seat time like loading trucks, or hogging out a pond or something, pushing off fill, repetition of easier tasks will help you immensely, especially when you want to get used to a specific piece of equipment or learn the ropes for that type of equipment, screening topsoil/gravel is a good one for getting time on a loader.

3.) Regardless of the age of any piece of equipment, if you are assigned to run it, learn and know it, check fluids, keep it greased properly, take notice of repairs that may be needed, leaks, cracks etc. and don't abuse it, you'll impress an owner if you take care of what you run like you own it. I do the same even when I rent, because they know I will take care of it, grease, and report any problems, in turn, they will deliver a machine to me without hesitation, this fosters a good relationship all around and is the right thing to do, so many people are just "hotdogs" in the seat, they do none of this, they don't own it. As an employee, you need that machine, no matter what age or condition, remember, no matter what they put you on, old or new it all pays the same, and you'll be appreciated as the guy who runs whatever is assigned. One company I worked for, they had you come in on a saturday, for a try out, passed that with flying colors, ok you are ready to work no problem, they put me on an old but nice 955 crawler loader, and had me doing all kinds of odd kinds of work, many times by myself, clearing easements, loading out trucks on smaller sites, taking out large trees, this one had a weather cab, but no R.O.P.S., in a short while I was demoing new D6's and Komatsu's, was photographed for Komatsu's promotional literature on one of their D65 PX LGP ( might not be the correct nomenclature of the model, I have a photo of it somewhere though ). We were handling large quantities of wet material, illustrating the capabilities of the LGP tractor. This was a lot of fun and they even wanted my opinion when it was time to buy. You don't ever want to get a big head, use, learn and hone those skills, you'll always find work with a level head, good skills and by being early to work.

4.) Learn to read blueprints, especially any site drawings, you need to learn lines, grades, elevations and how to do layout, additionally, get trained on how to use any lasers or GPS, for the type of work you do, one place I worked at, would buy breakfast for anyone who showed up on a saturday for training, which included mock pipe runs, foundation holes, dewatering a wet site, grading etc. I never missed one of these, was a great way to build good operators.

5.) Contractors you work for are on the job to make money, you have to make every push count, learn to be effective and productive, without sacrificing safety.

6.) CDL, it's a must, you should know and learn how to haul the equipment, as well as learning how to run a dump truck, it will make you more valuable and desirable to an employer, especially with a clean abstract, no DWI's etc.

7.) Learn the limitations of the equipment you run, don't ever exceed what it is designed to do, or where you can work, the stuff looks invincible, it's not, things break, they can get stuck but good in short order, ALWAYS think first, ask first, before you do something you are unsure of, after some seat time, these kinds of things will be easier to deal with, but for now, better always play it safe.

8.) Know how to keep a site well drained, fine grading comes with experience, you want to keep a site well drained at all costs if possible, so smooth out ruts, drain ponding areas, dress up your work area if near a stockpile, and be cognizant of run off, silt fences, adjacent areas, and where the work limit boundaries are.

9.) Track type machines, keep an eye on your undercarriage, report problems or if adjustments are needed, and be sure to clean those tracks in the winter as soon as the shift is over if you are in a cold climate, carrier rollers can be obstructed, jammed up and will oval out, the rest can freeze and be like concrete, all part of being a good operator.

10.) Large sites, you really have to pay attention, safety is important, lot of activity can be going on, so you have to coordinate with others, things can bottleneck easily and tempers can flare, you want to avoid these things.

There is just a ton of things to know, more than can be said here, but if you can get with an experienced operator with a good attitude, willing to teach, this is a great start, I was afforded that same opportunity, by someone I am still very thankful to, as well as having been around equipment since a kid, it worked out well, though I don't do it full time for many years now, you never lose what you learn, I still really enjoy renting and doing small jobs when possible, usually for friends or customers I know. Another fun thing is to own a dozer or backhoe for your farm or acreage, whether its real old and you have rebuilt it, or you can afford something field ready and use, you can practice or gain additional experience on your time, and know what it's like to own and repair this kind of equipment, which will help you respect it more than most.
 
Yeah, I know I have a lot to learn, growing up on a farm I know that you break it, you fix it.
Thanks guys.
 
You are correct, in that I dont like to micromanage anyone. I guess when I say 'do it my way' its a few times someone didnt and it didnt turn out well. I told one guy to take a particular route, for a whole week he did even though there was a shortcut that would save 20 minutes per trip. He just couldnt stand it and took the short cut. Broke a bridge rail when he did it. Anyother had to do with speed, this was mowing, I told him no gear higher than 4th. He got in his head about half way through that it would mow in 6th. But the mower was cutting and covering, riding up over a lot of the grass. I had to redo the job and lost a contract over that.
 
What I did was watch the experienced guys and ask a lot of questions.
In later years I've watched many operators not be very good because they have a know-it-all attitude.
That's a killer.
 
If you really want to go places as a operator you need to stay out of the dirt.
Dirt operators a dime a dozen unless we are talking good blue top operators.
Learn to be a hook operator. Especially if it is friction equiptment.

When I was young an working as a oiler; I had a operator point out to me..............
The guy making the most money......
Is the guy doing the least amount of work...
WHY.........
Cause he is on the biggest rig !!!!!!!!!!
 
The others have some really solid advice. I guess the only thing I might add is nothing can replace seat time as far as training. If you have the chance, hop in the machine over break or or something (with permission of course) and just run it to get the feel of things and practice. Backhoe for example: Work on operating the controls smoothly and practice navigating the shovel around obstacles and such. Motor Grader, get familiar with the controls and machines features. The things I like most about the motor graders is that you can do what seems like a million different things with them. Read the books that come with the equip and go through training provided. Then take some time and just "play" with the machine for a while and write down any questions you have and discuss with supervisor, other operators, and etc.
 

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