Good segment on the hydrogen generators some people are selling and promoting for cars. I was waiting for some good proof whether they worked or not, They don't! My big thing was if you add the oxygen , hydrogen mix into the cylinders, you are taking up space that would normally hold air for the gas mixture to burn there by making the gas/air burn too rich. No one has ever said they reduce the gasoline mixture. Interesting show and looks like a crook was exposed!
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buickanddeere
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Oh............where to start.........
jay-eye-see
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I did, he also said he had a perpetual motion machine...I was not surprised at the outcome of the Dateline investigation.
Vernon in Ks
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Don"t be too quick. I have personally seen a 350 chevy engine run on a hydrogen generator. NO GAS!
I repeat NO GAS. NO PREASURE STORAGE TANK. They are working out the bugs on flow rates.
I repeat NO GAS. NO PREASURE STORAGE TANK. They are working out the bugs on flow rates.
GeneMO
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All of that alternative energy will work, but at what cost. Sure you can make a car run off of hydrogen, but if it costs $500,000 and has to be refilled every 100 miles at a special station, kinda takes the practcality out of it.
Gene
Gene
Anonymous-0
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DeereBuick, it is better to end before starting.,
there are some interesting videos of these devices homemade on utube. guys would fill the car,then test milage on same road,speed , then pull up to another gas station and fill,check milage.they said it was better milage, but the flaw i saw was,you need to refill at the same pump,exact location, if your on a slant on one fill and flat on another fill youll get different fill amounts. i made a little hydrogen generator, put an orfice in a tube and lit it . lucas
The hydrogen generator does work, and you can run an engine on it.
The problem is, to costs more in energy to produce the hydrogen, than what the engine will make for you.
The mechanical stuff does work, yes.
The thing is, you _lose_ energy by doing it. Your gas milage will go down, _if_ you do a correct energy calculation & account for all the energy used to create the hydrogen.
If we had a source of surplus electricity that was nearly free, and used that to make hydrogen, it is possible to use that hydrogen as a fuel. But one would have to ask, where did the electricity come from, as we will be using much more electricty than what energy we get out of it from the hydrogen.
--->Paul
The problem is, to costs more in energy to produce the hydrogen, than what the engine will make for you.
The mechanical stuff does work, yes.
The thing is, you _lose_ energy by doing it. Your gas milage will go down, _if_ you do a correct energy calculation & account for all the energy used to create the hydrogen.
If we had a source of surplus electricity that was nearly free, and used that to make hydrogen, it is possible to use that hydrogen as a fuel. But one would have to ask, where did the electricity come from, as we will be using much more electricty than what energy we get out of it from the hydrogen.
--->Paul
buickanddeere
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You may well be correct.
Nothing quit like catching a blast of wrath for telling the truth when people don't want to hear it.
Nothing quit like catching a blast of wrath for telling the truth when people don't want to hear it.
I have heard guys talk about generating hydrogen for their cars using stainless steel for the metal electrodes. Doesn’t that end up contaminating the water used to get the hydrogen with heavy metals such as nickel and chrome? I’m sure when the water gets poured out it just gets dumped on the drive. Most people tinkering with stuff like this don’t worry too much about waste disposal.
MarkB_MI
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Sounds like an outbreak of Critical Thinking. We sure don't want any of that around here!
45M-meathead
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I made a Hydrogen cell and ran it on my 1983 suburban diesel and it DID work. It cost me about $100.00 to build and saved me about 3MPG. After just a few monthes it had paid for itself and was saving me money. You can think what you want, but I did it and it did work.
45M-meathead
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I made a Hydrogen cell and ran it on my 1983 suburban diesel and it DID work. It cost me about $100.00 to build and saved me about 3MPG. After just a few monthes it had paid for itself and was saving me money. You can think what you want, but I did it and it did work.
Every once in a long while, somehow I get something right.
I about shot water at the screen when I read about the 5th wheel again....
There are thoughts about using wind power over the nite - when we overproduce electricity - to make hydrogen, to use as fuel during the day, when we could use a more mobile fuel source.
Sounds like a lot of work to get from A to B, but interesting.
--->Paul
I about shot water at the screen when I read about the 5th wheel again....
There are thoughts about using wind power over the nite - when we overproduce electricity - to make hydrogen, to use as fuel during the day, when we could use a more mobile fuel source.
Sounds like a lot of work to get from A to B, but interesting.
--->Paul
Yes, some of these things may be a scam, but this should not stop someone from experimenting. A lot of good things have come from individual tinkering and unexpected results and accidents. When you add it all up, do we get that much more energy from gas or are we just accustomed to it? Just a question. I think there has to be a better fuel. There will have to be someday. Maybe not in my lifetime but someday.
john *.?-!.* cub owner
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With an on-board hydrogen generator, how do you keep the water from freezing in cold weather?
45M-meathead
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I sold the '83 suburban and bought a 2003 ford super-duty to pull my tractor with. I gave the cell to a friend of my and he is using it on his dodge with equal sucess.
45M-meathead
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I sold the '83 suburban and bought a 2003 ford super-duty to pull my tractor with. I gave the cell to a friend of my and he is using it on his dodge with equal sucess.
45M-meathead
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If it freezes it will thaw out in a minute or two when you turn it on.
440roadrunner
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We do. It's called the sun. Solar cells ARE getting cheaper. Someday......................................................
buickanddeere
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You can't change the laws of physics by trying more and trying harder. You can try all you want to get water to run uphill on it's own, but it will never happen.
buickanddeere
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How square feet of surface are on your vehicle that faces the sun?
The sun provides under IDEAL conditions approx 1000W on 10ft2 of surface at 100% efficiency. The best 40% efficient solar cells run at $1000.00per watt. So that's maybe 30ft2 on a large vehicle to obtain a whole screaming 400W after spending $1.2 million.
Or going with standard photovoltaic cells with 15% efficiency, the cost will be $2250 to obtain 150W. Now wait for the 1st parking lot door ding to ruin 10% of the total capacity.
150W will run the radio, dash lights and HVAC fan.
Next somebody is going to suggest storing the solar energy while the vehicle is parked. There still isn't enough power developed to amount to anything useful. Then how are you going to store the energy without adding weight, complexity and price? You are going to willingly pay an extra $25,000 on a vehicle to save $1000.00 over it’s lifetime?
Hate to burst your bubble but IT DOESN'T WORK. You will save more for no expense. Just by making certain the tires are aired up. And walking into the restaurant rather than using the drivethrough.
The sun provides under IDEAL conditions approx 1000W on 10ft2 of surface at 100% efficiency. The best 40% efficient solar cells run at $1000.00per watt. So that's maybe 30ft2 on a large vehicle to obtain a whole screaming 400W after spending $1.2 million.
Or going with standard photovoltaic cells with 15% efficiency, the cost will be $2250 to obtain 150W. Now wait for the 1st parking lot door ding to ruin 10% of the total capacity.
150W will run the radio, dash lights and HVAC fan.
Next somebody is going to suggest storing the solar energy while the vehicle is parked. There still isn't enough power developed to amount to anything useful. Then how are you going to store the energy without adding weight, complexity and price? You are going to willingly pay an extra $25,000 on a vehicle to save $1000.00 over it’s lifetime?
Hate to burst your bubble but IT DOESN'T WORK. You will save more for no expense. Just by making certain the tires are aired up. And walking into the restaurant rather than using the drivethrough.
buickanddeere
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The H2 generators work well for the shysters selling them to science class dropouts.
Do the math.
Do the math.
Janicholson
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Easy to think of this:
A) Water is the "ash"from a hydrogen fire.
B) Turning the ash back into elemental hydrogen and Oxygen takes more energy than was produced by burning it in the firat place due to the mechanical thermal and chemical inefficiencies of the seperation process.
C) burning it again produces the same amount of energy every time.
D) Ashes to Ashes through any process takes energy, not giving back one single calori. JimN
A) Water is the "ash"from a hydrogen fire.
B) Turning the ash back into elemental hydrogen and Oxygen takes more energy than was produced by burning it in the firat place due to the mechanical thermal and chemical inefficiencies of the seperation process.
C) burning it again produces the same amount of energy every time.
D) Ashes to Ashes through any process takes energy, not giving back one single calori. JimN
buickanddeere
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Ever fugure how large a power supply is required. To provide the btu or watts required to melt a gallon of frozen water in 2 minutes?
One power company here in ND is expermenting with using wind generators(we have lots of wind ;-), on good wind sites that are too far from distribution lines. Using wind to turn water into hydrogen works pretty well, but storing enough compressed hydrogen on a tractor or truck(thats what their using) to get any practical range out of it is still a problem.
There is also some work being done to use surplus wind generated power in the production of AA fertilizer.
Good things will come given time to get it right.
There is also some work being done to use surplus wind generated power in the production of AA fertilizer.
Good things will come given time to get it right.
buickanddeere
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A lot of people want to talk to you. About how you managed perpetual motion with an energy bonous.
If these H2 generators really worked. If nothing else. They would be manufactured in basements and sold in back alleys.
How can you in the face of all logic and scientific proof??? Have the gall to tell us that your H2 generator could possibly work???
If these H2 generators really worked. If nothing else. They would be manufactured in basements and sold in back alleys.
How can you in the face of all logic and scientific proof??? Have the gall to tell us that your H2 generator could possibly work???
buickanddeere
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You have to be kidding.
buickanddeere
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It's best for myself to stay away from parties. I tend to get loaded and tell people what I really think.
Aaron Ford
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What about regenerative braking? It would likely not help y'all out there in flatland, but then what can? Just Kidding!
Okay, on a more serious note, here in the foothills of Appalachia half my time is spent downshifting or riding the middle pedal.
This energy should be harnessed, but how?
Aaron
Okay, on a more serious note, here in the foothills of Appalachia half my time is spent downshifting or riding the middle pedal.
This energy should be harnessed, but how?
Aaron
45M-meathead
Member
It must take around 550 watts because mine pulled 40 amps at 13.8 volts...552watts (volts x amps = watts)
buickanddeere
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40 minutes to change one US gallon from ice to water with 500W.
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