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Is it just because I'm old and crotchety, or does anyone else have a problem with this. I went to an auction to look at a tractor. It had the duels mounted on it. The auctioneer sold the tractor, then the duels. I think if the duels are on the tractor, they should go with the tractor. same with the weights. Then, the auctioneer came to the combine. He sold the corn head, then the grain head, then the combine! How would one know he he needs to buy the heads, unless he is willing to buy the combine at any price?
A few years ago, I was the high bidder on a spreader truck. The auctioneer said he was going to hold my bid, then he bid the box, and truck seperate. Because those two bids were higher, I lost out. I tore up my bidding number card, and threw it in the air, telling the auctioneer I would never go to another one of his sales, and I never have.
 
All depends on who the auctioneer is working for; if it's the buyer, you're probablly right. If it's the seller and he's trying to get top dollar, then.......... If he's selling something for me, I'd like the items to be combined in such a fashion as to bring as much as possible. I've never been to an auction where this wasn't done. I've seen (real) property auctions where the land might be divided into 20 or more tracts and the 'buyers' might not know for hours whether or not someone would buy the whole thing at the end........for more money than the total of the individual tracts.
 
Hey,

I agree that the weights and duals should be taken off if they're gonna sell separate. They're just being lazy and hoping the buyer of the tractor will pay top dollar for the stuff. The combine situation is touchier. They SHOULD sell the combine first, then the heads, then the package. Someone might need a grain head, but not a combine.

My biggest gripe is the Buyer's Fees that are becoming increasingly popular. You gotta adjust your bid down to account for it, but the moron bidding against you never seems to realize it. I rarely get any deals at a Buyer's Fee auction.

I also hate the auctioneers who have "shadow bidders". I always look for the guy bidding against me to make sure he's not a figment of the auctioneers imagination. He has been a couple times. You can tell when you stop bidding and the auctioneers suddenly gets desperate to get one more bid from you.

The only way to stop it is to vote with your money. Unfortunately, not enough people will stop going to get them to quit.
 
Yes, that is sneaky! At my grand dads sale, they sold his AC 185 seperate from the loader. Dad and I were HOPING the same guy bought both, but NO! Then, we had to spend 2 hours seperating them to everyones satisfaction! Fortunately the guy who bought the tractor was patient! Greg
 
I don't have a problem with them selling things separately to try and get the best price, that's their job. But you get suspicious if they sell them in a way that one of the items goes cheaper than it should (such as selling the combine after the heads without offering to put them all them all together for one price).

As far as shadow bidders, decide on your top price and bid quickly up to it. Then stop cold, don't hint that you're getting close.

The one time an auctioneer really made me mad was when he asked for a bid of one dollar and several hands went up, he quickly pointed at one after the other shouting "one" "two" "three" "four". Nobody wanted it at four dollars. There might have been some complaints to his boss, because I never saw that guy selling again.
 
I fully agree with you. Last auction we were at, we were trying to get a 10 wheel v-rake. It was my 2nd cousin's auction after he was killed in a fqarm accident. We used the rake many times over the years and knew it's quirks.

Dad had the high bid at $3,000, and the auctioneer sold it for $3,000 to a dealer that put in a bid before the auction started. If they would have said what the heck was going on, we would have gladly bid another 100 to get the rake.

They also sold a JD SP chopper, had a 3 row head on it. The guy bought the chopper, didn't want or need the head so they auctioned that off separate and took that off the price of the chopper.

Overall, the auction was kinda screwy but we did get a couple good deals. It was a smaller crowd because really nice fall day when others were in the field.

Donovan from Wisconsin
 
Sounds like an idiot. Then I read what you said again and it makes sense the way he did it except for the combine which is back ward. Should be the combine, then the heads, then try for all together. I've seen them sell the parts first, then try to sell the combination and if it was higher then would leave it together. Same thing with land parcels.
 
Who was that? Scott Sykora will usually tell you at the beginning of the sale how he's going to sell things like that. On older combines and such,a lot of times he'll ask if anybody wants anything seperate. To sell heads BEFORE a combine,that's outrageous. I agree with you,there are some of these idiots who's sales I avoid unless there's something there that I really need.
 
Most of the more honest auctioneers will announce up front that the duals, weights etc. are being sold separately. This was done at our farm auction on the 4230. The auctioneer announced this 2X before bidding began. The guy that bought the 4230 thru a very amusing fit in front of everyone when the auctioneer started selling the duals. It's an old game mainly to get the guy that bought the tractor to bid the duals, weights, etc on up to keep them with the tractor. I see nothing wrong there as long as it's announced before bidding starts. I also see nothing wrong with stopping the auctioneer and asking in front of everyone if things are being sold separately.
 
Selling stuff separately is OK if they announce it in advance, but selling the accessories before the main item is just plain stupid. By doing so, you eliminate the most motivated bidders at the sale- the guys who wants the combine, complete.
 
The auctioneer needs to be clear on how he's selling something and most are. I went to a sale once that advertised tractors and machinery sells first and then on down. I thought it was interesting, because the first thing sold was a 4-wheel drive tractor and the buyer then bid and bought equipment that fit it. Anyone else ever been to a sale like that? I thought it really increased the number of bidders and it shortened the day for machinery buyers who didn't have to wait for all the small stuff.
 
When I was working for my Dad as a kid we went to alot of auctions. There were scheister auctioneers back then too. On the other hand there was a team of auctioneers that were sought after and very busy. They ran a straight auction. No foolishness. Defective items were announced as such and defects found after the sale were subject to resale. The buyers could bid with confidence. Bottom line they got there client a better return because the buyer got an honest presentation of goods.

Areo
 
My biggest gripe about auctions is the idea of selling the same thing TWICE. IMHO once something is sold, its SOLD..............That's why I don't usually go to auctions.
 
I love auctions, and go to as many as possible.

That auctioneeer is there to bring top dollar to the client, and try to keep peace with the crowd.

And you as a human want the best deal for you no doubt. So my reasoning would go along the lines of the two different bids / combined bids was ---X---amount. If you were selling the units, would you toss that amount in the air to make one bidder happy?

If the auctioneer was not up front, that is a different issue, otherwise high bidder wins at a auction. I understand its kinda like as a child I got the stick of gum, but the bigger kid took it away from me.

The combined bidding can be a different thought process. Why bid, or raise the bid till everything is combined, then get after it.

I think with the spreader deal, the auctioneer sold it backwards, but that is just my opinion.
If you buy a package deal, then you should always keep track of the bidders of the seperate unit or attachments if you are not interested in a selected one attachment incase you win the over all bid.

This practice is done at most sales in our area, and everyone understands the value in it.

I hope I was not offensive in my statments, I'm not good at stating my opinion in nice words sometimes.
 
I've been to sales that sold the 3pt seperate off a 630 john deere.Wouldn't that have been a mess removing it and trying to decide what went with the three point and what didn't.The same guy bought both,but paid 1200 extra for the 3pt.
 
Been to one of Sykora"s sales, and I was impressed with his orderly, folksy, yet business like manner. Feel he ran a fair sale. I would consider him for an auction, were I to have one.
 
A couple things you might do if the auctioneer is an A.H. are; #1. Bid, and then cancel your bid before it is accepted or someone else bids. You are free to cancel or lower your bid until it is accepted. #2. Jump the price to something above what is being asked, but at or below what you are willing to pay. My thinking is that either of these maneuvers is disruptive and takes away some of the auctioneers power.
 
Like someone else said, there are a lot of shiester auctioneers out there. It should be made clear way before the auction starts how things are sold and not changed to try to get more money or just because a certain person doesn't want the whole package. They could sell what they didn't want by themselfs after the auction. Ritchie Bros. will sell rippers and winches seperate on Cats but it is listed in the bidding catalogue and only on popular models. The winning bidder, if other than the buyer of the Cat, has to pay a fee of about $750 to have the implement removed by the auction staff. This is a much better way to do it. If someone only wanted the weights or duals off of a tractor, they wouldn't care if they scratched the tractor or dented it etc. Tractors should be sold complete and if there are things that can be taken off, they should be before the sale. I was at an auction once where they sold the big stuff first and the junk at the end. They would have got a lot more money the other way around. A lot people don't show up first thing because usually there is a bunch of junk to sell. The bigger stuff at the end keeps people there. If there are specific implements for a certain machine, then they should be sold after the machine. Something common like a 12' disc wouldn't matter when it sold. Dave
 
I agree the spreader/truck should have been sold piece meal and then recombined, which is the usual practice. Still don't like this behavor but it is better than a buyer's premium
 
Heyyyyyyyyyy I "resemble" that remark lol Dont ya be givin us lawyers a bad name now by associating us with auctioneers geeeeeeee lol

Your old friend John T Country Lawyer

Ya bringin the family to New York Expo again???
 
I don't think its that you're old at all. I'm 28 and feel the same way. I have no problem selling duals and weights separate, but they need to be REMOVED from the tractor first! If they are on the tractor then they go with the tractor. That truck deal is even more crooked. I dislike auctioneers more all the time. Where does it stop? "Ok, boys, we're gonna sell the tractor, as you see it. Then we're gonna sell the duals, the weights, the tires, the rims, the 3pt setup, the fuel left in the tank, the toolbox, and the radio out of the cab. Then the tractor itself." 10 years ago we bought alot of stuff on auctions, we would never consider anything used on a dealer lot, couldn't afford it. Now, its just the opposite. The last tractor, bean planter, and corn planter all came used off a dealer's lot.
 
I was waiting for you to respond. That's why I used the word "typical". You are one of a kind.
Working on booking a trailer for the NY event as we speak.
Don't how many will come with me however. Wife is working full time but has only 2wks of vacation.Maybe a vacation for her if all leave and give her some peace and quiet.
We have a line on some 8 yr old cheddar to get Brandon looped on.
 
Right. That's the way I've seen it done. Sell the pieces [i:654c4848f0]first[/i:654c4848f0] then combine and sell the unit. What it does is keep the guy from whining that only wanted one piece. He had his chance. But I don't have too much complaint with any auctioneer selling how he sees fit. It's his show. What really gripes me is when they start on something, get one or two bids, and then change their tack. I will not buy from an auctioneer that does that.
 
I've just flat out not bid on several items that they wanted to separate. Why bother?
Buyer's premium's need to be un-invented, too, I leave auctions when they announce they have one.
 
As soon as I see "Buyer's Premium", that's all the farther I get on a sale bill. If they want to sell a loader separate off a tractor, it needs to be OFF THE TRACTOR at sale time. What are they going to do if they do a bunch of damage removing the loader after the tractor and loader are sold?
 
As long as it's made clear that the stuff is going separate then I don't mind. I can see why their doing it. I HATE Buyers Premiums. Stupid bastards always want more of my money.
 
I was at an auction where the auctioner had the row cleaners removed from a planter but did not have the brackets removed. These were sold separate. He stated erroneously that the brackets had to stay with planter for the no-till coulters. It seemed to be a way for him to make a quick buck without much labor. The owners were deceased and was sold by estate.
 
I have only been going to auctions a few years so there's a lot of things I need to learn. Like what a "buyer's premium" is? I've heard of them just never been to a auction that used them.

The thing that really annoys me is since I usually attend auctions alone and the ones I attend usually have more than one ring going I can't bid on everything I want to try and get sometimes. But that's my fault for not having anyone to go with.

The auctions I've gone to always ask the crowd before the sale if they want items complete or separate. It's not always a majority vote that wins if there are certain high rollers in the crowd it seems. ...Randy
 
Buyers Premium is just a way to get more of your money. With a 10% buyers premium you pay what you bid plus 10%. If you bid $750 on a haybine or something then it's going to be $750 + $75 = $825. If your sharp you can keep up on what your going to pay on the end but you have to be quick. There are still lots of auctions that don't use them but they are becoming more common. Some places only use them on certain things. One place around here will use them for tools and such but not for the bigger stuff.
 
I go to one or two auctions a year, and haven't bought anything yet. If I can buy it off the dealer's lot for the same or less, then why bid that high? When big items are going cheap, they have "imaginary" bidders on the internet that keep one upping you. They guaranteed them prices on some items, and then if they don't get it, the "imaginary" bidder buys it and they drag the machine to another auction until they get the price. That's what they did at my neighbour's auction. Internet bidder bought the swather cheap, and they told me the swather went to another auction. No Reserve my a$$
 
Run into the same type of thing with an auctioneer in this area. He'll be auctioning an item and then hafta stop 3 or 4 different times to see if they have a higher bid that was put in before the auction. My opinion is that if you cant be there in person or have someone other than the auction staff represent you then forget it.
 
I don't usually go long distance for auctions. I also don't like auctions where I can't see who I'm bidding against. When we moved to southern MO, I made a point of going to auctions held by different auctioneers. I might bid on a few items, nothing big. I carefully watched how things were done and what the attitude of the auctioneer is. If I feel that I didn't like something, I made a mental note of it. Pretty quickly I learned who ran straightforward auctions and who tried fast and loose. Interestingly, some auctioneers consistently drew crowds which bid what I considered to be ridiculous prices and others consistently had crowds which bid lower. Perhaps not so good for the auctioneer or the client, but good for the buyers.

Christopher
 
Some of you folks may not realize another reason why items are stripped off tractors, and sometimes they are in a completly different location.

Reason is because the bank owns the tractor, but can not pocket the money from personel items. thus the farmer wants evey thing he can take off the tractor placed on the junk wagon. And the banker gets only the money from the tractor, and most bankers aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, just have a good job.
 
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