Truck engine in tractor

Lanse · Jan 13, 2009

its kind of OT. You see sometimes where people will put a tractor engine in a small truck or a truck engine in a tractor. How do people do this?? How would you get the driveshafts to match up or the clutch or anything like that???

rrlund · Jan 13, 2009

They've either got their own machine shop or they're real good friends with somebody who has one. Takes quite a lot of machining and fabricating to make some of those transformations.

JMS/.MN · Jan 13, 2009

In a few odd cases, they are bolt ins. Ex: a Cummins 855 can bolt into a Case 1470 by using one-half of the bell housing bolted to a Ford half bellhousing that the engine bolts into. Usually youneed an adapter plate made, like when I put a Cummins 855 in the Case 2470.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 13, 2009

One of the biggerst tricks is to design a govenor.

It probably is seldom out of need, rather a chalenge to see if you can do it.

RN · Jan 13, 2009

Depends on tractor design- if engine is not bolted direct to transmission bellhousing or torque tube then engine can be adjusted and align output shaft- as Jeep engines in F-12/F14. Massey-Harris , WC Allis, F20/F30 had frame with engine set in them- engine was not a stressed member so could be replaced with minimal mounting problems. Some Olivers have a "tub" from tranny area to front end to handle weight- engine sat in tub, engine swaps between Buda, Waukesaw, Cummins done often enough. Pick right tractor frame with a big 4 cylinder and a V8 or V6 can be tucked in relatively easy. Get a unit construction tractor and few engines can be bolted on without extras- Funk Ford conversion works but extras and light trans may not make most practical tractor. M Farmall with Ford 390 truck governed to 1600/2000 rpm has been done- adapters needed but suppoed to be relatively straight forward- gives a 75+ HP engine that tranny can handle mostly. Archives may have some threads on this one. RN

J.C.in AZ. · Jan 13, 2009

You want a Tractor with a Truck Engine find a 706-806 Gas IHC. They both were mods of the BD IHC Truck Engine.Not many 806 Gas were around but if you find one compare the Engine to the BD IHC Specs. I had a A 180 IHC Grain Truck with a BD 308 Engine and the engine on the out side was identical to a 706 I compared it to.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 13, 2009

IHC also did this very same thing with the w40 tractor in 1934. they used the fbb engine out of the d50 trucks. this was their worst blunder they did.was because they needed a bigger tractor in a hurry. this was a light engine and it just got worked to death running wide open to the pin. also had lots of crank trouble. brgs being adjusted too tight.had brass shims for mains and rods. this was just too light of an engine and it did not stand up in the tractor and cost ihc dearly.

Tom -730 · Jan 13, 2009

A guy I know just showed me Sat a 806 that he just put a cummins out of a Dodge pick-up. Had to make an adapter plate to bolt up to bell housing and a couple motor mounts but otherwise looks like a pretty good marriage. Also has put a couple in some Olivers, don't know what size tractor. This guy has his own tractor repair, and knows what he is doing.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 13, 2009

The most unusual one I have seen was in Costa Rica. Guy had a 1/2 ton Dodge Pick up from the late 60's with a 220 cubic inch Fordson Major diesel engine in it and it looked good. Lanse> do you know what SAE bellhousings are ?

ken in texas · Jan 13, 2009

Lanse,you really want to do a change like this before you even consider it.You can get a kit for early ford tractors to install a flathead v8 or flat head ford six cylinder.Most people that do this are good mechanics and,or meshinest (sp).Also have access to a good stack om dollars.

TimV · Jan 13, 2009

Lanse: first rule of cobbling--anything can be made to fit in anything with enough work! On a more practical note, to expand on what J. S. said, there are many configurations that the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) has standardized, so in theory any unit with a particular SAE bellhousing can be bolted to any other unit that takes the same setup. In practice, of course, there are always other considerations as well, but that's the basic idea. Many tractors (and many more if your definition of "tractor" can stretch to accommodate things like forklifts, log skidders, bulldozers, etc.) are designed around an existing car or truck engine, and that means that swapping another similar engine in isn't terribly difficult. However, even then, most swaps require the assistance of a well-equipped machine shop, as there's ALWAYS something that needs to be lengthened, shortened, straightened, bent, etc. etc. etc., and it's these little details that can turn a straightforward swap into a money pit. Lots of fun to do, and very impressive when it works right, but not for those with faint hearts, light wallets, or weak minds!

Anonymous-0 · Jan 13, 2009

Lance how did you do that about a year ago i asked the same question you just did, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ten guys responded already, where were they then??????????, you asked a question how to line everything up, from scratch it takes time and a lot of patence,you got to be lined up dead on or everything goes to peaces, talk to those guys on tractor pullers they do it all the time.its not a big deal.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 13, 2009

There at least a couple brands of universal governors that are driven off the fan belt and can be linked to the carburetor. Last I looked even nnalert had one in their catalog, so I presume virtually on the shelf for rapid delivery. They probably keep them because some tractor makers used them in production.

Gerald J.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 13, 2009

Tim,
Enough work and MONEY can make anything out of nothing.

TimV · Jan 13, 2009

Yup, and I've seen more than a few cases of people starting with nothing, putting a whole lot of work and money into it, and finishing up with exactly what they had when they started--in fact, I've done that a time or two myself! All part of the learning process--I've also seen people turn a pile of scrap into a functional (and in some cases beautiful) machine without having a lot of money invested, particularly when you are able to do the work yourself or can barter your expertise to get other experts to help you do the parts you're not good at or don't have the equipment for.

RayP(MI) · Jan 13, 2009

Automotive engines are designed for power and acceleration, tractor engines for low speed lugging power. Putting a car engine in a tractor, mechanically could be difficult at best, but due to the characteristics of the different engines, the result may be not satisfactory.

GeneMO · Jan 13, 2009

On those WK-40's, didn't a lot of the engines that gave out in the tractor get replace with Red Diamond truck engines?

Gene

fixerupper · Jan 13, 2009

Sometime back in the eighties before we had diesel pickups I saw a late sixties chevy pickup with a 354 Perkins in it. Whoever did it did a very good job. I don't remember if it was turboed or not and I never had the chance to talk to the owner to find out how it performed on the road. It was the first pickup I ever saw with a diesel engine and it sounded soooo different. Jim

rrogers · Jan 13, 2009

my grandpa put a chvette engine and transmition on a john deere l frame he found in the woods heres a pic

Anonymous-0 · Jan 13, 2009

My uncle Carl put a V-8 car engine into a fair sized tractor once. I don't know what tractor it was. He said the biggest problem he had was engine cooling. At tractor running speeds I guess the water pump didn't circulate enough water and he thought the engine expected some cooling from a 30 to 70 mph wind that it didn't get in the tractor in the woods.

Gerald J.

S.Crum · Jan 13, 2009

18 years ago I put a Chevy 235 straight 6 in a 1938 Cletrac E-38 crawler. Had to extend the frame 14" and rework the input shaft into the transmission. I used a Pierce govenor and fabbed the hood and grill. What a beast. this had 6" wide tracks and the footprint was 60". Painted it JD industrial yellow. A Chevy 4X4 pickup couldn't out pull it. Fellow bought it to drag firewood logs out of his woods.

tubby · Jan 13, 2009

I have an Allis Chalmers B with a Toyota 20r and 4-speed transmission adapted to the original tractor transmission. It has a woods belly mower and cut grass very well. It will run about 50 M.P.H very easily. It even has a home built 3 point that works very well.

Mike M · Jan 14, 2009

Post this picture over at the JD forum. Those front wheels and maybe other parts ? may be really desirable $$$$$$$ as they are either an unstyled L or the forunner model 62 ? I"m not too familar with the early ones.

Larry59 · Jan 14, 2009

How would one get the transmission in the tractor to hook up to back of engine?
Do they use engine and transmission from say a truck and do it? Thanks

rrogers · Jan 14, 2009

on the pic below i added the transmition out of the car was used and some brakets were welded on with a pice of rubber in between them to absorbe shock when gears are changed, if it was here in columbus with me i would take other pics to show you more detail, but it's on my land 100 miles away from here in meigs county.

rrogers · Jan 14, 2009

you have any pics of that?

buickddeere · Jan 14, 2009

http://www.phxgrp.com/saeadapters.htm

rrogers · Jan 14, 2009

none of this tractor is for sale, plus those wheels are cast iron and are cracked

tubby · Jan 14, 2009

Yes I do have a few pictures and if I can figure out how to post them I will in the next couple of days.......Jon

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