OT, Underground Dog Fence Wireing

scott#2 · Jan 2, 2009

Just wondering if anyone has put this stuff in? The idea here is to build up a slitter and drop the wire in the trough as it makes the trough. I am concerned about the toughness of the wire and if it gets the insulation scratchd off will it still be effective? Is this wire stranded or solid conductor and what is the tensile? I assume it isn"t ok for the bare part of it to come into contact with the earth grouhd. It"s an Innotek system.

Any advice here?

Thank You,

Scott#2

gary in canada · Jan 2, 2009

i built a tool to bury the wire a few years ago using a tooth from an anhydrous (sp) injector,and a front axle from a riding mower. bent a piece of pipe on the back to follow it like a tile plow .i pulled it with my lawn tractor, the wire only has to be in the ground an inch or two where i made splices i used heat shrink tubing, i have apicture of it somewhere

Anonymous-0 · Jan 2, 2009

we install an innotek
fence. I just used my edger and made a slit and then came back and put the wire in and covered it. It went in about 2 inches. Wasn't hard at all to put it in. We bought heavy wire, just felt it would be better if you were doing all that work. But, dont nick the wire or it won't work. Fence worked real good for a year or so but then the dogs learned they could run really fast and get through, but Inotec told me when I talked to then once not to let them learn that. Anyway, they did. It still helps a lot but with my dogs it is not 100% any more. I don't know actually how to keep them from learning they can run through.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 2, 2009

Worst job in the world is to be the Inventory Control Manager at the Invisible Fence Company....it's enough to drive you nuts!

rrlund · Jan 2, 2009

We've got one of the wireless units. Cost about $279 if memory serves me. Just a box that plugs in,sends a signal up to 90 foot radius. Dog wears the collar,he gets about to the limit,it beeps,another foot or 2 and it shocks. We keep it plugged in out in the garage. Nothing to set up,range is adjustable with a dial on the box.

Gun guru · Jan 2, 2009

I never installed one, but......My neighbors had one years ago. It didnt work cause the dogs would take off on a dead run and go right through the thing. I would not have an invisible fence be the only thing that keeps my dogs in the yard, if I had any.
My neighbors put in a real 4 foot high fence around 5 acres of their land to keep in 4 labs.
Works well.

Mike M · Jan 2, 2009

I have this for our dog and it has really worked good for her. She does push the limits all the time and lets it beep,beep,beep I am amazed the batteries last as long as they do. If the power is out or system broke she still stays within the basic limits. If we have to take her to the vet or somewhere we just drive the car back to her and she gets in we unhook the collar or turn it off and away we go. This way she doesn't have a problem going through it.

I put ours in with a Mantis tiller with the edger attachment. Cut a groove and then used a paint stir stick and shove the wire in the hole then take your shoe and step the groove shut.
The local Rental Yard rents a unit made just for this wire,but he said it doesn't work the best in wet conditions. I did mine in the spring and it was WET so I didn't even try theirs. It took a long time as I did around about a 2 acre area. I had some used wire I pulled up out of another yard in the spring. Came up fairly easy too. Just grab it and start pulling. Kids had fun helping ! LOL I guess they helped because it was like destruction ?

evilboweviel · Jan 2, 2009

I have been looking into it
one company advertises staples to install with
stretch the wire to a corner staple it and then the next corner etc. finish up by going back and stapling it down every so many feet working it in the grass on top of the ground
claim is the grass will grow around it an it ends up in the thatch layer
mowers run over the top of it only thing to look out for is when areating
Ron

jose bagge · Jan 2, 2009

The install is not that tough- I used my gas powered sidewalk edger to cut a "mini- trench" about 3" deep and it worked just fine. Most of the "professionals" with Invisible Fence that I've seen use the sidewalk edger too.

Mattlt · Jan 2, 2009

I've heard of people cutting a groove with a Sawzall, then stuffing the wire in the slot.

Haven't tried it myself; seems like it would work.

dcarp · Jan 2, 2009

I put in this system for my FIL. It does work but you need to train the dogs to respect the system. If they run thru it you need to expand the warning area and then put them in the "shock" zone a couple of times. Some dogs are just to tough for this system though.

One thing to remember is it does keep your dog in BUT it does not keep other dogs and animals out.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 2, 2009

I have never used it, but it winds up real fast on my mower blades, when I mow for others. Stan

ohiojim · Jan 2, 2009

best thing since the ballpoint pen,..if you have a dog you need the fence

puller1 · Jan 2, 2009

go to your electrical supply house,get 14 gauge stranded wire it comes in 500 foot rolls for about $40,the rental yard rents a mini trencher tat cuts about a one inch wide ditch,go down just below the sod.You can cut a ditch as fast as you can push the machine if the ground is dry.Now is a good time to do it while it is frozen.Take the time to train your dog according to the instructions (use the flags) helps prevent the dog from running through.I,ve had my dog for 8 years on a busy highway.Its been great.I have a pet safe brand.They stand behind them great for warranty work.Install a good ground rod, electrical storms like them.I have not had a problem since I installed the rod.

jimva · Jan 2, 2009

I have one here for my dog, its just plain ole 12 gauge, black insulted copper wire, buried 3 inchs deep around unfenced sides of the property and then stapled to the middle board of a 4 board black fence on the other two sides. If the wire is cut an alarm will sound on the sending unit. Ive had to splice mine several times to my fault of forgetting where it was buried. Splice it back together and its back in business no biggie.
Peice of advice when it was installed the guy who done it spent 2 hours training our dog, that was basically just leading her around on a leash with her collar on. I asked why he done this he said a lot of do it yourselfers just install the fence put the collar on the dog and go back into the house, this casue the dog to test it and do the run through and run back.

loaderman18 · Jan 2, 2009

I built a tool to install the wire that works great. I used a coulter from an old plow. I took a plate of steel, cut out the center and attached around coulter so it will always carry the same depth. I also rolled up the front of the plate so it wouldn't dig in. Behind the coulter,on the bottom of the plate, I welded a piece of plate to follow the coulter like a tile plow. At the back edge of this plate, I welded a light angle for the wire to feed thru that made a sweeping 90 degree bend to come out at the depth. I also added a spool carrier so it self feeds. This unit mounts on a 3pt hitch, disassembles easily, and follows thru turns great. Always remember to make sweeping corners as a square corner will cancel the signal. If you would like pics, e-mail me. It works so well everyone wants to use it.

dandeere · Jan 2, 2009

The edger is the way I put mine in, 3 inches is plenty, no problems in 5 plus years. One thing nobody mentioned, make a sketch of where the line is for future digging. Sometimes, a portable AM radio tuned off station will pick up the signal to find line and or break in line. Dan

Mike M · Jan 2, 2009

DANG ! How low are you mowing ? My wire is about 2 inches UNDER the ground !

Anonymous-0 · Jan 2, 2009

Hey Scott#2

My neighbor had one installed for his Wienhimer, not sure of spelling, and it is Great.

Lowla, her name, gets the exercise she needs, mostly from me throwing snow balls in the winter and the littlest girl, Gabriel, in the summer !!

The only draw back I can see is the land mines the dog lays down.

It is not a big deal if you are a responsibile owner who walks to see where they may be !

I believe in them whole heartly !!!!

Lot of Great Advice on this board.

This is probably only the second time I have posted here, will continue more often now !!

Thank You

Gary & Sarge

scott#2 · Jan 2, 2009

Thanks for all the heads up guys,it's actually for a friend of mine and he has a pretty big yard. We just fab'd a slitter to go on his David Bradley, behind the coulter, ran a teflon tube down the back side to feed the wire into the furrow, we'll see how it works.

My sis has one of those systems and its burried, that s until her son took to aerating the lawn, now she just has a stapled down one, she says after a couple years the grass grows over it, root wise and it stays well protected, except for aerators. I'll get him to take some pics if it works out ok for hin and put them up.

Thanks Again,

scott#2

John B. · Jan 2, 2009

We used an old AC not till planter to make the furrow in the ground then we just walked along and pushed the wire down with a yard stick every so often.
Our wire was not stranded it was solid. Where the two ends meet and go to the power supply was 50ft from the house and I used my drill to wind the two long ends together as instructions said to.

Our dog is now full grown, part lab and part australian collie now 50 lbs.

The system worked great for a few months but as our pup got older she learned she could run fast thru it and would not get shocked that many times, since it only shocks when close or when over the wire.

If I would do it over again I would get the revolving power supply that sends out a signal 90 ft in each direction giving a 180ft diameter. When they get out of its signal it shocks for as long as they are out of range. Seems more effective than the fence. It is portable too if you want to take it camping or on vacation.

I"ll be pulling our hidden fence up and selling it.

This was just our experience and the fence covered apprx. 2 acres.

Anonymous-0 · Jan 2, 2009

Most I see here are just laid on top of the ground. It's a real pain sometimes trying to miss the wire covered by the weeds. Stan

bc · Jan 2, 2009

For you guys that have made something to lay the wire in, I'm looking to build something to lay in 1" pipe about 1 foot deep for a sprinkler system. Something along the lines of the vibrating pipe pullers. Maybe something to hook to a 2" receiver hitch on the back of my pickup and pull it. It would be nice to have something so you don't drive on the turf and leave tracks.

Thanks in advance.

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