Hay selling loading question

Finn Md · Dec 17, 2008

I sell some hay small squares to pick up at my barn. Do you all agree to tie down the bales for customers or insist they do it? With all the legal issues these days, I tell folks I prefer they strap or tie down their bales. Curious if I'm being hard-nosed and what others are doing. I agree to help them load, but don't want to be responsible for a loose bale on a road.

Finn

Anonymous-0 · Dec 17, 2008

That's a smart thing to consider. I think I would strongly suggest to them that they secure and tie down the load and maybe give them some pointers if they are not doing it right. If you do it, I could see your name on a lawsuit if they dump their load and hurt someone. If I had to do it for someone, I would show them what I did and get them to voice there approval.

Anonymous-0 · Dec 17, 2008

Guess if you have to worry about something like that (sure you do these days) I'd have a liability release ready for them to sign or insist on them having a professional hauler (your still getting the same price for your hay.

Dave

Goose · Dec 17, 2008

I'd load to the buyer's satisfaction and let them tie the bales down. That way you're off the hook. If you go to a lumber yard, someone will set the lumber on your trailer with a forklift--and promptly disappear.

Anything I haul, I expect to tie down myself. And the only thing I've ever lost off a trailer is a chisel plow. But, that's a whole different story.

jimva · Dec 17, 2008

Square bales- They load their truck or tailer themselves. I or the boys unstack from the barn and toss them the bales. If they want to tie down or not its there baby if anything happens down the road.

Is this being an a$$hole, probably, but when they're standing there and the state trooper says who STACKED this hay on your truck/trailer, instead of saying farmer Jim up the road, they have no one to say but themselves.

I might add, with them stacking on their truck or trailer you get to see some very unique stacking patterns.

steve in ok · Dec 17, 2008

I throw off the stack until the customer has all they want then I'm through. In my humble opinion every one should stack and tie their own loads.

Mike (WA) · Dec 17, 2008

You should recommend they tie it down, because when they don't and lose it down the road, you become the villain because you're the expert, and how were they to know about tying down if the expert didn't tell them to?

Chris in SK · Dec 17, 2008

Help or advise if you want, but ultimately it should always the driver’s responsibility to check the security of the load before they pull it onto a public road. Personally, I would mark on the invoice or what ever document you give them that the load is sold F.O.B your yard and make them aware of this. The FOB (Free On Board) shipping term, basically makes you responsible for lifting the product onto their vehicle, how they load and secure it up to them. If you want to take responsibility for the load, then sell it 'delivered', you deliver it and charge a delivered price.

MSS3020 · Dec 17, 2008

I help toss and they stack, Their responsibility to secure the load. I have folks that wont tie down. I had a semi-truck driver once that new ALL about stacking and hauling hay.. He stacked all 700 bales on their end (as you would if you put the bottom layer on the ground, end of stims) I advised against it BUT......he lost the load half way home. oh well..

Anonymous-0 · Dec 17, 2008

Most any driver's manual, including CDL, will say it is the driver's responsibility to secure the load, no matter what the load.

kyhayman · Dec 17, 2008

You haul it, you tie it. With small squares if I load it, I tie and haul it.

RodinNS · Dec 17, 2008

He who's behind the hoop takes responsibility if something happens. Knowing that, he ought to secure the load himself.
If I'm hauling it, I generally make the load, or at least tie it down.
What someone else does it up to them.

Rod

TractormanNC · Dec 17, 2008

I agree with the others. I will toss it on truck or trailer, but they stack it and tie it down, no questions about it.

bc · Dec 17, 2008

Watch out though, that liability release may only apply to the signor and not to the poor family that gets killed when the hay puts them in the ditch.

bc · Dec 17, 2008

I guess for us guys who haven't put up hay in about 40 years, what is the best way to stack hay on the trailer? And for that matter what about stacking hay on the ground or in the loft?

Seems like I put two down side by side with the flat sides down in a group of two and then stack two more side by side crossways on top for the next layer.

Another method I remember is to lay two down side by side with the flat side down, then lay one flat side down crossways at the end in a group of three. Then on the next layer, lay one flat side down crossways across the two side by side bales and then put two bales side by side that lay across the end bale.

Seems like there was something else we did where we laid a bale every so often on edge (the thin edge) to help lock them in but I don't remember.

INCase · Dec 18, 2008

exactly! driver is responsible.. Even these dump trucks that have stones along the side rails, if they fall off and hit a car the driver is responsible for everything on the truck. (a stone on the road kicked up is a different story) it irritates me when they put signs on the backs of their trucks saying "not responsible for falling debris". wrong!

I would agree... don't even stack it on the truck for them or strap it down. Even though they (driver) are responsible the lawyers will come after you anyway.

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