Old 4WD Tractors

From what I've read and experienced once you go over 100 hp it it gets difficult to transfer that hp to the ground with a two wheel drive tractor. The newer front wheel assist tractors are nice but tend to be expensive. I am not trying to start a colour war here, but does anyone have experience with ......
Case 2470 2670 4490
Massey 1805 4800
John Deere 7020 7520 8430,40,50 8630
Versatile 700 800 555

Any thoughts or experiences appreciated

Alf
 
I have an 8630 Deere, and it served me well through a lot of years of farming.

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The Deeres you list are good tractors, but, due to their construction, it's big bucks every time they need to be torn down or split to repair them. If the hours are reasonably low, you likely would get years of trouble-free service out of them. GOOD closed-center hydraulics. (No live PTO on the 7020 and 7520, if that is important to you.)

However, for a TOUGH, reasonable to repair no-frills tractor, the Versatile 800 with the 855 in-line Cummins would be at the top of the list of tractors you list. NOT the best hydraulics, or live PTO, though.

AVOID the triple nickel and 700 V-8 powered Versatile models like the PLAGUE! (Engine parts are available but ASTRONOMICAL in price compared to the in-line sixes.

The Masseys with the V-8's (1805 = CAT, 4840 = Cummins 903) are $$$$ to repair as well.

Some folks swear by those Cases, but I've seen some pretty high-dollar transmission, engine, and steering axle problems with the ones around here, with several being parted out rather than repaired.
 
I had a 2470 for about 7 years before the engine blew a rod through the side. Spent too much trying to get it fixed, ended up putting an 855 Cummins in it- excellent engine- still running for the current owner. I agree with Bob's advice on engines- which to go with, which to stay away from. Many older JD are upgraded to a 50 Series engine as well.
 
My Dad has a J.D. 7520 great tractor.Have used it for many years farming our 1000 acres. Hope this helps.Blaine
 
I have been around most all of them. 2470 and 2670 cases seemed to me to be pretty good ones, the 4490 was quite a bit nicer in the cab. Mechanically the main difference in the 70 and 90 series, as far as operating, was the steering. The crab on the older ones was linkage and cble style which could be a pain, the 90's were electric over hyd. and seemed to work ok but if the wiring gets messed up, and they do ,look out. It's a nightmare. I once drove one 30 mi. stuck in crab. Would much rather have a 26 or 46 as the smaller ones were kinda puny to me. We had a 2470 and a 1570, and in most cases the 15 would walk all over the 24. The other thing is these old tractors aren't worth a whole lot, so any major repairs may not be cost effective. Such can be the case for any older tractors though, especially 4wd. Now for the masseys, I would not even consider a 1500, 1505, 1805. They are kinda cool, but there are much better ones to be had for the money. 4800s and 4840 are OK. Really big and heavy with not a lot of power. 903 no turbo, real loud, not much guts, don't hold up too well. A 4880 or 4900 would be much better. No bigger or heavier, just more power, quiter, and more durable. I have a 4840 with a turboed engine, set up similar to a 4880 and a 4900. I love them both. A 4800 barely has enough power to spin in low, work well for some people, but not real exciting to drive. The 7020 and 7520 deere's are ok. A little crued to say the least, but nicer than a 4366. Pretty tough and simple, but just that simple. The 30 through 50 series, in my opinion were some of the most comfortable, nimble, best driving 4wds ever. You will here horror stories about them, but in my opinion they are as good or better than the others you have listed. A good 8650 will do a ton of work in comfort and style. Not been around the versatiles as much, but I do own a steiger and many of the same stuff goes for both. Wouldn't recomend the 555, not the best engine. Neat tractor just not one of the most reliable, and a nightmare to run down engine parts. How many triple nickel cummins have you worked on? I don't know a thing about a 700, but as far as i know any versatile in the 800 line is a good overall tractor. Everyone I have ever seen had an 855 cummins, tops for reliability, efficiency, and affordability in an older tractor. Seems I may have driven one with a 903, not quite on par with the 855, but OK. Also we have 4 2wd tractor in the over 100hp range and they do a fine job. We have a 4840, 2590, 2594, and an old 4430. Any of the first three will walk the dog right with a 2470, 555, 1505, and in most cases an 8440. Most anything a 4840 doesn't have enough traction to pull the 8440 won't have enough horse to pull right, in my experience. We also have a 7140, 4955, and 8410, and they are great except for wheel hop. Also like you stated not even close to the same price range either. Our 4wd ranks now include the two masseys, a case 9180. deere 8870 ,steiger st-310 with a 400 cummins. The masseys and steiger are good ole tractors, but not in the same class as the other two. They all pull about the same, but the 8870 and 9180 are powershift and the hydraulics are light years ahead. The 8870 is the more nimble and refined of the two, but the 9180, along with all 1000 series steigers and 91xx-93xx series case ih tractor seem to be the toughest and overall most reliable big 4wd's ever built. Just my opinion, never been on a tractor I didn't like in some way.
 
I don"t exactly what you plant to do with an older 4WD but have you checkd out the other green (Steiger) MUCH easier and cheaper to repair than the deere but comfertable to operate for tractor of that time expecialy the series III"s.
 
I agree. Older Steigers can be a great tractor as well. HOWEVER, for ease of clutch or transmission wrepairs, or rolling in a new set up bearings, Versatile wins, hands down.
 
I agree, the Versatile would be a little easier. Both are great old tractors, and will get right in there with these newer electronic beasts. Don't forget the PTA's either, those were awesome on dirt scoops in there day.
 
Hey don't fprget about the old Whites either. Not the best tractor but they will get it done, and with pricing around here you can use them like a bic lighter. I ran one some with the cat and powershift leveling ground and could flat wax an 8640. The 86 was a lot more tractor but the trans in the white let it put out more work, But in average field work the 86 would stomp one.
 
Oh yeah, just thought I would tell bout my steiger. Speaking of affordable tractors. I bought mine from a guy for $2000 with a bad turbo and a blown o-ring on a sleeve. Pretty decent tractor, lights work, a/c works, air seat. Bought a big cam 3 400 from another guy out of a big rig wreck for $2000 with the promise it only had 375000 mi. By the time I got done I prolly had 6k in it and it will work with or out work any 9370 you can find all day every day. Now I've just got to get it painted.
 
A friend of mine and his autobody tech school son painted his Steiger. BOTH said "NEVER AGAIN"... is sure strained the whole father and son getting along thing... LOTS of work, but they sure did a good job!
 
With all due respect.... I think you should probably confine your search to Versatile or Steiger, and of them, limit it to something that's Cummins powered (L10 or 855) or Cat powered (3306 or 3406).
Sure... there's going to be someone come along and say they got along great with a 3208 powered White, and someone else will say that the triple nickle or 903 wern't bad engines, and some more will reminisce about a screamin' jimmy, but the 4 listed above are on average the better power plants of the lot when it comes to old 4WD tractors.
The V-8's of that era were well known for high dollar failures at low hours.
Mabey you would find one of them that's in real nice shape and cheap... and mabey it's worth a look, but I think on average you'll have better luck with a tractor that's powered by one of the 4 above.
The Cummins are cheaper to repair than Cat to some degree, and Cat probably has a higher percentage that run to a lot higher hours without needing repair... a fact alone that you might also watch out for.


Rod
 
If you're interested in those large old "Muscle Tractors" there's a new magazine that just came out this month called Heritage Iron. heritageiron.com
 
I've a old 2470,hss been mostly a good old tractor for the past 26 years, kept it when I quite farming wheat 22 years ago it wasn't worth anything. It is cheap on fuel i use it now to beat brush and cut hay with a disk cutter doing this type work it uses far less fuel than my newer 100+HP tractors. Just put 4 new tires on it so will last longer than I will.
 
2470-rude, crude, and cheap. Also pretty well built and reliable-if you don't mind facing a ditch when driving down the road. Used parts are not too tough to find, and are the only cost-effective way to go if something major breaks. I have one and wouldn't mind having another one if it was cheap enough.
 
Here's one for you. Went through on Ebay a couple of weeks ago. $3000 dollars. No bidders. Probably still on there somewere. Was in Michigan.
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