Any one else see this?

Cow Tax Proposal would threaten agriculture viability

11/14/2008
Ken Hamilton, Executive Vice President

“With the economy in bad shape and the possibility of a deep recession looming, the Environmental Protection Agency is proposing to levy new taxes—on cows and pigs,” American Farm Bureau Federation Director of Regulatory Relations Rick Krause told Wyoming Farm Bureau members at their annual meeting. Krause spoke in Sheridan on Nov. 7.

“This is no laughing matter,” Krause said. “The cow tax and the pig tax are parts of a larger scheme by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to regulate greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act.”

“Under the proposal, if a state charged the “presumptive minimum rate” from the EPA, the cow tax would be $175 per dairy cow, $87.50 per head for beef cattle and a little more than $20 per pig,” Krause explained.

Krause explained that the U.S. Department of Agriculture says that a producer with more than 25 dairy cows, 50 beef cattle or 200 hogs would emit more than 100 tons of carbon and be subject to the permitting requirements. “These thresholds would impact 99 percent of dairy producers, over 90 percent of beef producers and 95 percent of hog producers in the United States,” Krause stated.

According to Krause, the EPA has issued an Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking in preparation to regulate automobile greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act (CAA). “The regulation of automobile emissions automatically initiates other provisions of the CAA,” Krause explained. “One of those provisions requires permits from anyone who emits more than 100 tons of a regulated pollutant per year and there are millions of sources that emit more than 100 tons of carbon.”

The Title V permits, that are essentially a cow and pig tax, are supposed to contain provisions designed to reduce or eliminate the emissions of the regulated pollutant. “Cows and pigs methane emissions come from natural and biological processes,” Krause stated.

“The economic costs to producers from the cow and pig tax would be great and could cause the cost of beef, pork and dairy prices to rise,” Krause continued. “The cow and pig tax would impose severe penalties on livestock producers in the United States without effectively reducing greenhouse gas levels in the atmosphere.”

The comment deadline for the cow and pig tax is Nov. 28. Visit http://www.wyfb.org to find the link for information.

There is enough hot air, CO, CO2, BS, and other noxious gases, flowing from DC to make up for all the cows in North America.

my thoughts exactly! why do they tax farmers more when we are what keeps america from going hungry and naked? prolly more hot air commin' from DC then we have any idea! they think too much too!
DF in WI

There are rules governing dust being drafted as well. Originally EPA was to exempt farmers, but that exemption was left out of the last few drafts.

Looks like food will be coming from Brazil. They need to cut down a lot more rainforest to feed all us stupid Americans.....

--->Paul

LIKE WE HAVE ANY SAY IN FOOD PRICES??? ALL U REAL FARMERS KNOW THT WE SAD SACKS OF $$$HIT
ARE THE ONLY INDUSTRY THAT PAYS WHAT SOME ONE ELSE WANTS 4 INPUT ;;THEN TAKES WHAT THEY WILL GIVE 4 OUR OUTPUT,, IF SOME ONE STARTS TAKING MONEY FROM FAT CATTLE SALES 4 SUM BS LIKE THIS ALL SALES WILL GO PRIVATE 2 END USER ONLY AND SUPERMARKETS WILL DRYUP AND PRICE WILL GO THRU THE ROOF, BOUT TIME 4 SUM REDEMTION;; GROUND BEEF USED 2 B 99 CENTS NOW ALMOST 3 BUCKS BUT MY SALES STILL 89-90 CENT A POUND LIKE 4 THE LAST 20 YRS, GUESS WHO GETS THE MARK UP SHURE NOT THE FARMER WTF

What is a good day in DC?.....

A vacation day!

You know, this would ordinarily look like some kind of stupid joke. This is just for openers, the environnitwits are in control now. This country, is in trouble. These idiots, on the basis of a scam called global warming are going to crush the economy of the U.S. Jack

I heard another one.

This fellow claims air conditioning started ruining this country. How you ask ? Now congress can stay in session through the summer !
I don't know he may have a point ?

Never underestimate the Stupidity Potential of a Gov't employee

I had also heard something about productive lands protection. Apparently it is some enforcement program that would require a certain amount of private farm land in the US to always be farmed for food supply and if you were to stop farming yourself, you would have to enroll in a program that say you will rent out the land for farming and not take it out of production, or be fined. If you couldnt find a renter the govt would put your land on a list of subsidized rent share for farm corperations that would utilize these protected prodictive lands. Dont know how much of that is BS, but these days it seems a certain party is trying to instill an awful lot of government controlled private property. That'll be "change" alright.

I did'nt think I would ever see the crap being, not just talked about, but being done by our government. Nationalizing banks, Wanting to take over and tell U.S. car companies what kind of car to build. Slippery slope he//, what you just said there. What's happening here?
Jack

You asked for it, You got it........

maybe not you personally, but......

Some folks may say"but they can't do that", and our savior will look at the American People and say YES WE CAN!!!!!!! Wonder how many will cheer then????? No skin off the butts of the people that put him there, they've got food stamps and WIC.

Dave

POOF????

I'm telling you guys,I'm just waiting for the straw that breaks the camels back,then I'm gonna be so far out in the Ozarks or Appalachians,even the IRS will never find me.

(quoted from post at 08:08:28 11/24/08) I'm telling you guys,I'm just waiting for the straw that breaks the camels back,then I'm gonna be so far out in the Ozarks or Appalachians,even the IRS will never find me.

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YES WE CAN!!!! :shock:

(quoted from post at 09:14:53 11/24/08) You know, this would ordinarily look like some kind of stupid joke. This is just for openers, the environnitwits are in control now. This country, is in trouble. These idiots, on the basis of a scam called global warming are going to crush the economy of the U.S. Jack

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JackE,
agree 100%. The environmentalists will take this country back to the days when no one walked on the land that the US of A sits on. It will be pristine and beautiful and quiet BECAUSE THEY WILL STIFLE ECONOMIC ACTIVITY TO THE POINT NO ONE CAN LIVE HERE! Meanwhile, China & the rest of the third world will be kicking out products that the rest of the world buys with little or no regard for safety, environment or fair trade rules.

Back on topic, this has got to be the stupidest idea I've heard yet, but I'm sure we'll hear stupider ones over the next 4 years. Al Gore will be running around with his crazy UNPROVABLE theories and with the "mandate" that the enviro-nuts and liberals feel that they've got, some of them may even be put into action. God help us all.

Plus, just heard this AM that the govt is going to throw ANOTHER $25 billion at Citibank (without rake-them-over-the-coals-Congressional-hearings) PLUS buy some $160 billion in BAD LOANS from them. No questions asked. And Citibank doesn't PRODUCE a thing. They don't build a car, they don't raise a crop, they just funnel money from depositors to lenders. THEY'RE PAPER PUSHERS AND PRETTY BAD ONES AT THAT.

That's like that article that blamed air conditioning for the election of Bush. Said when she was young,the population of Florida was too low for them to have any say in the electoral college. Now with AC,all of those people with all of those electoral votes gave us Bush.

That's what I'm afraid of,either the IRS will or the DEA would stumble across me whether I was doing anything wrong or not. A person's just not supposed to live outside of society you know. You might be up to something. We looked at a place north of Eminence Mo a few years ago that ONLY the government could have found. Nobody ELSE would have ever found your bleached bones if you'd have died there.

Correct me if I'm wrong but since the "Yes we can" guy isn't yet
prez isn't "W" in charge of the EPA? Gopers in MN a few years back
proposed a tax on all private wells and a fee on all ATV whether or
not they ever leave the farm.

Now that explains why they are Pushing NAIS so bad, and now they are calling it premise ID....they gotta know where to send the bill to and for how much....It all makes sense now....Shawn in the thumb

Being completely honest with yourself, ask yourself these two questions:

1) Would you as an obvious LIB, agree to everyone paying the same share of taxes needed to make repairs to damage caused going to and from that private well while the owner collected the cream, or would you be screaming that bubba needs to pay a higher share cause he owns it?

2) Would you, as a LIB, set back while people that rode ATV's on roads and public trails causing accidents and countless dollars in erosion damages, be descriminated against by having to pay taxes while that other guy that is privileged to have his own land don't have to pay nuttin?

Just ask yourself.

YES WE CAN!!!! Big sign above the servers at all the soup lines will be YES WE DID!!!!


Dave

It likely is rival countries pushing their agenda's through our own governments. With the plan to let us trip over our own good intentions.
Some say China is so well hacked into computers with spy ware. That there are no significant secrets, equipment planes, blue prints and personal records left uncompromised. In the military, government and contractors.

...about saying "No More Tractors".

If you think they are going to tax cattle and hog emmissions, do you really think they won't get around to telling us our old tractors pollute far too much to be used for recreation, of even farming?

Getting easier and easier to see now, isn't it?

Thank the likes of tlak, trucker40, kyplowboy, plow hand, and the rest of those worthless liberals.

We have indeed started down a path of no return.

I'm all for succession. Anyone care to join me? I never felt like a rebel before, being from KS and IN, but perhaps the South will rise again.

Another one Ive just noticed is in California Gov. Swartz. is looking to apply a tax to veterinary services. Being a veterinarian I provide a service and thus do not get taxed on it, over the counter products (Ex Rx Pet foods) do get taxed. As soon as something passes in one service oriented field it does not take long for others to follow suit, especially when it comes to taxation. I was reading in the article that LA County's tax rate would be 10.25%.

When is enough going to be enough? Three other states already charge similar service taxes (Hawaii, SD, NM). Why cant these people get it that perhaps they need to cut back and spend less instead of finding ways of taking more.

Sure wouldn't hurt my feelings if you would stop writing in THOSE FRACKING CAPITAL LETTERS!!! But on second thought, I might then be tempted to read your mindless drivel, so maybe just carry on with the SHOUTING. And my condolences to your high school English teacher for trying in vain to impress the concept of punctuation on you. I don't often critique grammar or punctuation on this site, but in your case, I am happy to make an exception.

Will people be required to get a permit to eat beans? Will pintos and white Northern require separate permits?

He does have a point though, how many farmers get even half of what the stores charge for beef, cheese, milk or anything else?

now now This isn't bash any specific person just DC in general. :~D

Plus a few disregarded chads

There is a difference between "thought" and "know"

Red, I am not sure if you realize it, but this methane tax idea came from a nnalert administration. I can't really see how you blame the liberals. The physcological defect you present is called transference. GW Bush, a nnalert has been president for 8 years. For 6 of those nnalert had the House and the Senate. Bush refused Conservative principals, and ruled as a neocon. That is the primary reason we will have a Democtate President in January, conservatives and libertarians wanted no more of that, and stayed stayed home on Nov 7. . This allowing the neocons and Christian Right to run their favorite candidate and lose . What you are doing is taking your disapointments of Bush and the neocons and transfering (quite irrationally)it to anger at liberals. Hope this makes you feel better.

Hey Indy Have you ever thought about anger management? There are alot of things in this world I dont like but I cant change everything.What went wrong in your life that you get so ------ at anyone who does not see it your way?