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John Deere 1010 Starting Problems

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Fin Carey

11-23-2008 09:24:13




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I just recently aquired an old 1960's model John Deere 1010. It is very dificult to start, if not impossible at times. It's had a lot of work done to it lately.New wiring harnes, DELCO Distributer, new battery, etc. Would new Glow Plugs help...or is the problem likely something else.




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Wesley Stephens

11-23-2008 17:53:00




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 Re: John Deere 1010 Starting Problems in reply to Fin Carey, 11-23-2008 09:24:13  
1010 John Deeres have a bad reputation in this area. My grandfather had a gas one a long time ago, but did not keep it long. He said the way the distributor was positioned caused it to get water in it all the time.



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jdemaris

11-23-2008 15:27:59




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 Re: John Deere 1010 Starting Problems in reply to Fin Carey, 11-23-2008 09:24:13  
1010 is a pretty good starting diesel when everything is right. In fact, it will outstart some later direct-injected Deeres if it is set-up correctly (as long as you let the glow-plugs heat and work the primer properly). Most aren't setup right anymore, especially now that they are almost 50 years old.

#1 it is an indirect-injected diesel - perhaps the only one Deere ever made in the USA (1010/2010 series). So, it must have working glow plugs. Wellman (WAP British) sells them for $20-$25 each.
OEM Deere plugs often cost twice that and they are cheap and made in China.

#2 it is the first Deere ever to use a rotary injection pump and early models don't pump enough fuel at cranking speed for good cold starting. That's what the hand-primer pump is for. If your 1010 doesn't have a working primer-pump, it's not going to start well in very cold temps.

New primer pumps are still available from Deere, but they cost a fortune. Seems it wouldn't be too hard to make one, or swap something else in there. Deere pump is AT15807 and cost over $500.

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Johnbobin

11-23-2008 14:55:20




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 Re: John Deere 1010 Starting Problems in reply to Fin Carey, 11-23-2008 09:24:13  
In hot weather they are hard to start.In cold weather forget it.



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Guido

11-23-2008 11:38:56




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 Re: John Deere 1010 Starting Problems in reply to Fin Carey, 11-23-2008 09:24:13  
Hello Fin Carey.
Before you buy new glow plugs you should check for power going to the plugs. If you have no voltage present at the plugs new one won't work!
Guido.



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dlplost

11-23-2008 09:47:25




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 Re: John Deere 1010 Starting Problems in reply to Fin Carey, 11-23-2008 09:24:13  
DELCO Distributer??
Would new Glow Plugs help??

If its Diesel a new distributer isn't gonna help it.
If its Gas then Glow Plugs ain't gonna help it either.

So what do you heve? Gas or Diesel?
If it's Diesel, you need the owner's manual,(avail from JD), so you know the starting procedure.
They use "slow heating" glow plugs, not the quick ones like used on newer machines.

Glow plug times..
warm engine = 30 sec.
above 32f = 1 minute
32f to 0f = 2 minutes
below 0f = 3 minutes

and NEVER use either.

New glow plugs can be found on ebay for about $25 each, JD wants $100 each. They ARE the exact same plugs.

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Fin Carey

11-23-2008 10:14:22




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 Re: John Deere 1010 Starting Problems in reply to dlplost, 11-23-2008 09:47:25  
Also, I meant regulator...not distributer.



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Fin Carey

11-23-2008 10:02:41




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 Re: John Deere 1010 Starting Problems in reply to dlplost, 11-23-2008 09:47:25  
Thank you, It is a Diesel. I do have the Owners Manual and I have been attempting the proper starting procedure, using the recommended glow plug warm-up time. I'm thinking either the glow plugs are bad or its something else entirely...I realy dont have a clue. I suppose I could try new ones and go from there.Thanks for the E-Bay tip.



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Ray

11-23-2008 11:45:58




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 Re: John Deere 1010 Starting Problems in reply to Fin Carey, 11-23-2008 10:02:41  
The diesel 1010 was known for starting problems,even in warm weather.You can replace everything electrical and it will be the same.The later ones were improved a little with a different glow plug chamber.They quit making that engine very soon after a limited production of around 800 or so in the S (Standard) series.



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