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OK guys, yall know I am not the "brightest light" in the room when it comes to older tractors and equipment but, I am learning as I get along in life.. SO Here is the "STUPID QUESTION" of the week. FORD made tractors and equipment, GM hade a little hand in tractors and equipment, ( T-REX ) I think. What about Chrysler, did they have any part in the tractor or equipment WORLD? (Correct me if I am wrong about GM as well) ... Thanks in advance... Larry
 
As far as GM I remember 2 cycle 4-53 Detroits in an Oliver tractor, and the Big Bud was offered with some massive Detroit V 16 thing. The 6-72 and 8-72s had to be used in something.I remember them on a hay grinder and an irrigation pump. But those 2 cycle Detroits were everywhere, they were built from the 1930's till the 1980's they had to be on lots of stuff. We had a Massey 510 combine with a 327 Chevy and a spray coupe with a 4 cylinder Chevy, I recall it being an Iron Duke but those memories are old and probably unreliable. As for Mopar we had a varity of swathers with slant 6 225 motors and, I could be wrong, but I think the Case 1000 combine that was before the 510 Massey had a slant 6 also. I am positive when I was a kid I saw a 383 on forage harvestor, maby New Holland or Hesston, I can't remember
 
Dozer Guy: Yes GM did build tractors between 1915 and 1922, and their tractors were called Samson. Three different models, and clearly they were competeing with Fordson and Farmall. They had a motor cultivator called the Jim Dandy. Manufacturing took place at Pontiac MI.

I have a book called the Encylopedia of American Farm Tractors written bt CH Wendel, source of the above material. Somewhere in the book, I remember seeing an effort by Chrysler, however I don't see it this morning. I thought their tractor was called Plymouth, however I can't find it.
 
GM owned Terex for years. They sold it off in the early 80's, I think. Detroit Diesel was sold off to Penske in the early 90's. Penske sold it to Daimler a few years later. GM powertrain still sells engines of various types to whoever wants to buy them.
 
Yes, they do actually exist. There is one at a boneyard near my residence. I think the sheet metal was painted white with a Plymouth Indian head as a radiator cap.
 
The GM plant just north of me in Janesville WI is closing on Dec. 23,08. They starting building the Samson model "M" tractor on May 1, 1919. Production worked up to 150 tractors per day.

The Model M cost $445 and used a four-cylinder Northway engine with a disc-type clutch. Moving parts were enclosed and self-oiling, making them low maintenance. The Model M was advertised to be so simple that the toolbox only contained three wrenches.


A smaller Model D tractor, called the Iron Horse, was built to drive with reins, similar to a team of horses. This allowed the farmer to seat himself on the tractor, on the seat of an attached implement, or even walk alongside the machinery. The Iron Horse was advertised as a price deal compared to horses, which needed food, housing, veterinary visits,etc.
 
The Plymouth tractor was manufactured in Plymouth, Ohio. Hence the name. It had nothing to do with Chrysler. The name was later changed to Silver King.
 
There was a Plymouth tractor but it had nothing to do with Chrysler and was manufactured before Chrysler came up with that name. When Chrysler decided on the name for a new car to compete with ford and GM they met up with a lawsuit from the manufacturer of the Plymouth tractor. It was all settled by Plymouth tractor deciding to go out of business and in so doing, selling the rights to the name to Chrysler. They reportedly sold the name for $1.
 
i know of one tractor you could get 1945-195----- with either the chrysler 6 or straight 8 can't remember the name but it look like a jumbo tractor, wards.some of the greatest combines used chrysler motors the old massy line.
 
Fate-Root-Heath located in Plymouth OH built a tractor which they called Plymouth. Chrysler raised a concern and the name was changed to the Silver King.
 
I believe the Big Bud 16V-747 used the Detroit 16V71 set at about 900 horse. It's beleived to be the largest production tractor built at it's time, and perhaps built so far.
I can't imagine sitting on the damn thing all day long. I remember working around either a 12 or 16V71 years ago that ran a genset and that thing had to be about 120 Db. It was the first and only time I ever walked away from something because of noise...

Rod
 
Theiman tractors in Albert City Ia used model A motors and think rear end s and tranmissions I think Sears sold a kit with Ford parts
 
massey harris used chrysler engines in several of it's models. the chrysler 226 i believe.I have 3 massey harris with this engine
 
Well now that we have figured out car companies built tractors and/or sold parts of them did any tractor companies build cars ? And if not should they start ?
 
I have been on that tractor (not with it operating) in Havre, MT when it was brought from Florida to its Home town. It is as massive as you imagine. I lived in Havre for 7 years, and Big Bud was an institution even after death! The 12 wheel drive was unreal. Three on each axle they were special "Big Bud" branded tires, about 36 wide and stood 7' high. It could pull more than it weighed. Supposedly between 65 and 70,000 drawbar. To call it a production tractor is a stretch as there is only one. Though it does look like most of the others, it is not at all similar. Nice Pictures on the web with data.
It is still in use within 30 miles of Havre in Strip rotation dryland Wheat. Pulls a 65' field cultivator at about 8.5 MPH. (from a reliable source) JimN
 
Besides making many industrial and farm use engines, Chrysler made Jupiter missles for our military. Remember the Cuban missle crisis with JFK? That was caused by us having Chrysler making missles and then, sticking them in Turkey - pointed at Russia.
 
I guess an accuall tractor question on this board is kinda stupid, isnt it?


Just had to say it............


Guys what was that tractor that used every part of its drive train from Dodge, sterering boxes, wheels everything, except the sheet metal. Seems like it was some kind of orchard tractor, or built for orchards, maybe by Chrystler? I think it was dark red colored, yellow steciling on the cowl.
 
As far as tractor companies building cars, Deere and I believe Case both built cars and of course International Harvester obuilt trucks.

Jerry
 
Hugh got it on the GM Sampson tractors,but there were some Chrysler based tractors too if memory serves me right. The Friday,Love...several others that just aren't coming to me right now.
 
Yes, and as I remember it, some of them were available with the Dodge "fluid drive". I saw a new tractor like that in a Montgomery Ward store in the late 1940's. Also, in my opinion, there are no stupid questions!
 
Remember the "Chalmers". I remember it well from my childhood. and old fella,our neighbor, had a chalmers two seat open touring car with a Hog Crate strapped to the side. He had some of the best Duroc Hogs around and rented out some Boars for Breeding.When ever he had a rental he would bang on the side of that crate and here the selected Boar came running and up the ramp into the crate he would go, down the road they would go,Party Time LOL, Every one had a good laugh for many years until sadly the old man passed away and the Hog Farm disappeared.
 
COuld be, but I dont know Hubers at all. I just recal seeing a pic of one that had a caption saying the only thing tha twasnt Chrysler was the sheetmetal. Seems it looked like an orchard version tractor. Even the rear rims and hubs were Chryslaer, with tractor tires instead of truck tires. Maybe it was homebuilt, but I think it was accually produced.
 
Fridays and Loves? Builders were slightly related- as maker of Friday was uncle to later builder of Love?. Both tractors were built for Michigan fruit farmers and were low profile to get under trees and capable of about 30-40mph road speeds to haul wagons of fruit on roads to canneries?
 
Chrysler flathead 6 industrial engines used on some combines and a Massey Harris? A Oliver might also have used the 6? 225 slant six industrial was later engine used on some equipment- a Gleaner model combine?
 
Oliver used a Canadian Chrysler engine on the 525 combine,which was actually a Cockshutt design anyway,but I don't know of anything else that they used a Crysler on.Scratch that,they used a 318 V8 on the 7300 gas combines. Continental,Waukesha,Perkins,GM and Cat were the main ones.
 
The Chrysler running gear tractor was the CO-OP, built 1935 by Duplex in Battle creek (for farm coop'tves), later by the farm coop'tvs in Shelbyville, Arthurdale and St Paul (the St Paul ones were FARMERS UNION CO-OPs).
Some Hubers and Avery/General GG's were also sold as CO-OPs, but they weren't Chrysler running gear.
After the coop'tves made a deal with Cockshutt, to sell Cockshutts as CO-OPs here, the Chrysler based design went to Custom, and from there it gets even more complicated.
This design was sold as Custom, Wards (but not Wards Twin-Row),Jumbo aka Simpsons Jumbo, Lehr Big Boy, Love, Friday, OMC (Amos Ostnburg?) Closson and Wilson (or Closson and Wilson individually), and as Rockol, Regal and Norseman in Canada.
Custom and maybe others added Chrysler straight 8's and Fluid Drive; Love and/or Friday added 2 spd rears, getting (reportedly) 60-62-65 mph.
I found no business connection with CCptn, other than almost certainly buying components at mfr's rates, but there's lots I've never found. (All this is vastly simplified, quoted from memory as I've misplaced my notes!).
As mentioned, the Plymouth, later Silver King, had no CCptn connection and didn't use CCptn running gear per available ref books.
 
All Masey Harris swathers came with either a achrysler slant six (225)or a four cylinder Chev from the factory. Some of the smaller (300 for sure) Massey combines had Chrysler sixes. Allis and Gleaner had six and V-eight cylinder Chev's.
 
That should be the no 36 swathers and maybe 34. I think the newer models had in line Ford sixes,
 
Thanks Guys , I had no idea that Mopar was involved in older tractors and equipment.... I am learning so much from yall !!! Larry
 
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