Mustangs

Anonymous-0 · Nov 16, 2008

Just saw something on the news about a plan to kill them off. Kinda hard to swallow, but I'm sure there are more details. Anyone know anything? I think if there was such a plan to wipe out healthy animals, there'd be something in place to take care of all the neglected domestic ones.

Dave

Janicholson · Nov 16, 2008

As a person who spent 1/3 of my life in the western US, and being an outdoor hiker etc. The killing and or transport of non-native species of large animal is a (usually) good thing. The free range animals destroy native vegetation and are very competitive with the large native species (Elk, Deer, bear, antelope, Mtn Goats, and many other species. The very existence of some of these is threatened by herds of horses. Burrows released by, or lost from mining in the Grand Canyon were mangling the environment there to the point that erosion and species competition was changing the canyon to the worse. (rapidly). Sense their removal the canyon has recovered in many ways. The deer population, native plants, and even ring tail cats, have rebounded. Stallions are wild animals, they have no net value as pets (not trainable) and horse meat is not economically reasonable to harvest in remote canyons for dog food. JimN

Dave_Id · Nov 16, 2008

That would be a shame, the Mustang was a nice addition to the Massey Harris lineup.

Anonymous-0 · Nov 16, 2008

How about Ford's 2010 Mustang? I hear the 5.0 is coming back in modular V8 form possibly with 325-350hp. The car is getting a facelift for 2010. Also going to offer a twin turbo V6, the same Ecoloboost engine that is coming to the F150.

MarkB_MI · Nov 16, 2008

I hadn't heard about this latest go-around, but this has been going on for years. Wild horses are not native to North America, and they compete with other species for food. (Of course, the same can be said for domestic livestock. But ranchers pay rent and wild horses don't.) For years, BLM hunters killed mustangs, until there was a big backlash from horse-lovers back in the 70's. As a result, BLM has run the "Adopt-a-Horse" program, capturing and (almost) giving away wild horses to pretty much anyone who wants them.

The problem now is that the BLM has a huge number of captured horses that they can't give away and can't afford to feed. Here's a link to the official BLM statement.

Knowing your abundant ;>) leanings, I'm sure you will want your tax dollars spent to keep these majestic animals alive.
BLM statement on killing captured mustangs

Anonymous-0 · Nov 16, 2008

(quoted from post at 08:42:43 11/16/08)
Knowing your abundant ;&gt leanings, BLM statement on killing captured mustangs

Is that directed towards me? If so, explain it.
Thanks for the link though.

Dave

rrlund · Nov 16, 2008

Kind of like to have a classic 66 Mustang convertable myself.

grundy · Nov 16, 2008

My neighbor got one of those wild horses and he broke him to ride. He stays in a corral and is as good natured a horse as you'll find. "Not trainable"? You'd be wrong.

tractormarkb · Nov 16, 2008

My brother also got one of those Mustangs. Very trainable and smart animal. It took some time and patience however. There are very strict rules as to what you can do with these wild horses after you get them as far as when you can resell them and to who you can sell them to.

Anonymous-0 · Nov 16, 2008

I can see where they'd need managed and weeded out. Slaughter would be the best for all concerned if you keep the crooks and tree huggers out of the program. The ones left would be much healthier and marketable. Probably started out that way until greed took over.

Dave

Larry D. · Nov 16, 2008

Yaaaa... Now this Guy's talking about the Right kind of MUSTANGS LOL!!

Clint Youse MO · Nov 16, 2008

Can not slaughter them in the US congress outlawed horse slaughter in the United States due to a bill wrote by our president elect and HSUS now they are trying to eliminate live horse exports to Canada and Mexico for slaughter purposes

Bill in Colo · Nov 16, 2008

Back in the sixties most cowboys would catch horses as a winter sport,some were kept for cowhorses the others were sent to slaughter. Herds stayed stable and weren't a problem for ranchers or the BLM,but along came Wildhorse Annie and the herds doubled within a short time. Now with the slaughter houses closed, people are turning their old used unbranded horses out on the BLM causing a host of problems. Shooting them is probably the most cost effective way.If you drug them down they must be buried as the carcase will kill any scavenger

Anonymous-0 · Nov 16, 2008

The P51 versions are pretty good in their own right. Dave

Anonymous-0 · Nov 16, 2008

Word is, Ford is going to try offering even more power in the 2010 mustang GT500KR, or whatever they call it in the future.

The new Camaro is supposed to have 400hp which will probably make it faster than the 2010 5.0 unless they change it.

After experiencing record high gas prices, I don't think I'd want to buy any of these cars mentioned even if I had the money to do so. Right now I'd be interested in owning a Fiesta diesel that Ford just released in Europe or something very similar. I'd much rather have something I could afford to run, then something that can go 0-60 in under 4 seconds, and would be sure to get me in a lot of trouble with the law.

MarkB_MI · Nov 16, 2008

Dave, you've made your political point of view obvious in many posts. I figured you could take a dig, but I apologize if you were somehow offended.

GeneMO · Nov 16, 2008

P-51 was the best fighter ever made in my opinion. Of course when we sent it to England with the Allison engine it was nothing. When matched with the Packard Merlin, it made all the difference.

Got to see 60+ at the Gathering of Mustangs in Florida a few years ago.

Gene

Wesley Stephens · Nov 16, 2008

They had one of those BLM auctions near here a year or so ago and I thought about going to it, but it seemed like their restrictions on how you keep them and what you do with them made it not worth the trouble. No wonder they can't get rid of them.

Anonymous-0 · Nov 17, 2008

(quoted from post at 18:16:39 11/16/08) Dave, you've made your political point of view obvious in many posts. I figured you could take a dig, but I apologize if you were somehow offended.

Sure you're not mixing me up with Dave2N? I don't get offended, just like to keep things straight.

Dave

Anonymous-0 · Nov 17, 2008

(quoted from post at 19:53:13 11/16/08) They had one of those BLM auctions near here a year or so ago and I thought about going to it, but it seemed like their restrictions on how you keep them and what you do with them made it not worth the trouble. No wonder they can't get rid of them.

Exactly.......... Over here, they don't knock out unwanted pets like humane society's do (used to anyway) in the States, so shelters are overcrowded. Try to adopt an animal there and you'd think you were adopting a kid. Some folks are just freaks.

On the other side of it though, you've got people throwing horses together (breeding) with the thought that they'll be sold one way or the other. The person buying one of the products pretty much gets a pig in a poke as far as what it will turn into.

Dave

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