About decided to go ahead and buy a Mahindra or a Kubota. Looking at the Kubota MX 5100 50 hp or equivalent hp in a Mahindra. Mahindra makes it look pretty attractive with some of their package deals but I'm kinda hung up on the Kubota..Can someone shed some light by sharing experiences with either or both. Thanks
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Anonymous-0
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Kubota's are an excellent long life engine. Dave
buickanddeere
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Didn't Kioti(spelling?), NewHolland and Deere have some consideration as well?
Anonymous-0
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Isn't Mahindra American? I know Kubota is Japanese. Kubota is good, and Mahindra isn't yet established enough to really say how good those are.
Buckeye Oliver collector
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No, I think the Mahindras are made in Southeast Asia or Africa. The Montanas are in the US.
Mahindra is the remnants of International Harvester in INDIA.
Way back when, Indian law wouldn't let foreign manufacturers in on their own, so IH partnered with Mahindra to make tractors in India.
Apparently, their tractors (at least up to the recent past) have a strong IH heritage.
Way back when, Indian law wouldn't let foreign manufacturers in on their own, so IH partnered with Mahindra to make tractors in India.
Apparently, their tractors (at least up to the recent past) have a strong IH heritage.
Anonymous-0
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I think the Montanas are made in Korea by LG/ Goldstar.. Same folks that make LG cellphones and Goldstar machinery.
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montanas are south korean. the 70 hp is a JD power and drive unit.
they come to the states with no sheet metal and its all put on here.
they got into some trouble with deere when they first started out, somehow they got the tins that mother deere was using and painted a different color.
all that said, i have been looking at the montana 7074 series. its the deere unit, 60 +- drawbar hp, front wheel assist.
oh, got this info from local dealer selling them
they come to the states with no sheet metal and its all put on here.
they got into some trouble with deere when they first started out, somehow they got the tins that mother deere was using and painted a different color.
all that said, i have been looking at the montana 7074 series. its the deere unit, 60 +- drawbar hp, front wheel assist.
oh, got this info from local dealer selling them
Buckeye Oliver collector
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oops, sorry about that. Thanks for the info.
Pricing is normally ridiculous at the Green and Blue ones you mentioned-Deere has always been greedy. I really know nothing about NH except that basically I guess it is "Ford" in a new wrapper and high priced from what I've seen....I just want dependability, no frills,& best price...I don't care if it has the prettiest paint job, fancy emblems etc....
I personally would go with the Kubota. They have been around a long time and have established dealer and parts networks. I would venture a guess that the Mahindra doesn"t have the parts and service backup that Kubota does,at least not in the US. If your tractor breaks down you don"t want to wait 6-8 weeks for the part you need. This was the problem with the Kioti tractors,the dealers sold a bunch of them around here,but they couldn"t get parts in a timely fashion,or at all. Word has gotten around about them here and you can hardly give them away,the dealers that were selling them have given up their franchises.
Maybe Mahindra will be different,but I would go with the Kubota.
Maybe Mahindra will be different,but I would go with the Kubota.
MarkB_MI
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I would certainly think about dealer support, particularly for Mahindra. Around here, I know there are at least three Kubota dealers (probably more) within 50 miles. I don't know of a single Mahindra dealer in the area.
between the 2 , kubota hands down, beter overall tractor, better dealer support, better quality, and if whatever your going to use it for is going to be at the upper limit of its ability it will hold up far longer, kind of like cars, go drive a nice model kia, then go drive a honda accord, both decent cars, but the honda is much better,all the way around
Traditional Farmer
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Check out AGCO better tractors than either you are looking at and a huge company that will be around.Dealer priced me a new ST 41 (41HP) 4WD with a loader,shuttle shift for $17,000
buickanddeere
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You and 2N should actually walk into a Deere dealership and price the equipment.
Then you might know what you are talking about.
Then you might know what you are talking about.
buickanddeere
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Kioti is a Kubota clone.
Well you have to really look close when comparing prices as they all have overlapping sizes and price fighter models. about 2 years ago I priced the big 3 Nh,Kubota,Deere. Nh was the highest Deere and Kubota were about the same. If you got just a tractor only Deere was slightly higher,but their implements are lower priced and Kubotas implements are higher priced so it all equals out when adding implements.
Deere and the 35 hp and up New Holland are the only ones that figured out people don't have 2 right feet to work the hydro and the brakes. Kubota has the best hydro out now , but I wish they would make the individual brakes so you could use them.
Deere and the 35 hp and up New Holland are the only ones that figured out people don't have 2 right feet to work the hydro and the brakes. Kubota has the best hydro out now , but I wish they would make the individual brakes so you could use them.
buickanddeere,
I have heard you spout off about buying a JD at least a dozen times. You must own stock in Deere and Company because it sure couldn't come from long term experience. Just because you waddled down to the Green store and bought yourself one, doesn't indicate anything. BFD!
I bought a new JD 5320 three years ago and it's a POS! I wish a hundred times over, I had bought a Kubota.....or a Mahindra. Neither could be worse and both are probably better.
I have heard you spout off about buying a JD at least a dozen times. You must own stock in Deere and Company because it sure couldn't come from long term experience. Just because you waddled down to the Green store and bought yourself one, doesn't indicate anything. BFD!
I bought a new JD 5320 three years ago and it's a POS! I wish a hundred times over, I had bought a Kubota.....or a Mahindra. Neither could be worse and both are probably better.
A few comments about a few things mentioned in these posts. Mahindra has been making tractors longer than Kubota - it's NOT a new company. Mahindra has made tractors since the mid-1940s. Kubota started as a metal pipe company and made it's first four wheel tractor around 1960. Mahindra also made Willys Jeeps for the military circa WWII. Seems the Mahindra tractors got better noticed after they entered into a joint-venture with International Harvester and Volta in 1963 that resulted in tractors like the B-275, B-414, B-424, etc being sold in the USA and Canada.
Kubota makes some great engines and some great engines. They are also pricey. Mahindra also makes some very good equipment and some have great parts support. I'd pay attention to price - and - the design of the particular tractor you're interested in. Some of the Mahindra tractors are based on time-tested platforms and parts availability will not be a problem. Some others are totally new designs - and with them, who knows? I'll tell you this. I've worked on some 1960s and 1970s Kubotas and parts are just about impossible to find. On the other hand, I have several 1960s IH-Mahindra tractors and I can still get just about anything - aftermarket or . . . direct from Case/IH.
Kubota makes some great engines and some great engines. They are also pricey. Mahindra also makes some very good equipment and some have great parts support. I'd pay attention to price - and - the design of the particular tractor you're interested in. Some of the Mahindra tractors are based on time-tested platforms and parts availability will not be a problem. Some others are totally new designs - and with them, who knows? I'll tell you this. I've worked on some 1960s and 1970s Kubotas and parts are just about impossible to find. On the other hand, I have several 1960s IH-Mahindra tractors and I can still get just about anything - aftermarket or . . . direct from Case/IH.
Anonymous-0
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I think you had better look a little closer, 90% of the ag Kubota line is now and has been for several years now manufactured right hear in the State.
And I might add, I have 4 of them and would not own anything else.
The equipment, plans, service, warranty are excellant.
And I might add, I have 4 of them and would not own anything else.
The equipment, plans, service, warranty are excellant.
buickanddeere
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Go back and check. I was telling people before you bought your 5320 p.o.s. not to purchase a 5000 series JD.Don"t blame me for your lack of research.
The new executives went and built another 2010 30 years after the first duds.
In the 1960"s Deere admitted the 2010"s were trash and went with a clean sheet design. The 20,30,40,50 & 55 Dubuque/Mannheim utility tractors helped make Deere into a leading company.
The current sniveling executives instead of admitting they erred by ending the 55 series Mannheim tractors. And introducing the Georgia built tractors. They denigned they were wrong. And have spent the past 18 years trying to polish a t*rd. It"s cost the company profit and loyal customers.
You couldn"t give me a 5000/5010/5020/5025 series tractor. A 4WD 5005 or late 4WD 5003, I"d take one of those in a heart beat.
B.t.w. What does the crappy 5000 series have to do with the other 2000,3000,4000, 6000,7000,8000,9000 tractor lines which are ok? Have any other companies also kept on building a problematic line of tractors?
The new executives went and built another 2010 30 years after the first duds.
In the 1960"s Deere admitted the 2010"s were trash and went with a clean sheet design. The 20,30,40,50 & 55 Dubuque/Mannheim utility tractors helped make Deere into a leading company.
The current sniveling executives instead of admitting they erred by ending the 55 series Mannheim tractors. And introducing the Georgia built tractors. They denigned they were wrong. And have spent the past 18 years trying to polish a t*rd. It"s cost the company profit and loyal customers.
You couldn"t give me a 5000/5010/5020/5025 series tractor. A 4WD 5005 or late 4WD 5003, I"d take one of those in a heart beat.
B.t.w. What does the crappy 5000 series have to do with the other 2000,3000,4000, 6000,7000,8000,9000 tractor lines which are ok? Have any other companies also kept on building a problematic line of tractors?
Anonymous-0
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Is it the smaller models thats made in the states? The M105S that the local machinery dealer had was made in Japan according to the sticker on it.
Hi Tom... Glad to See this Thread on MAHINDRA Tractors,I have a '03 E-350 DI 35HP 3 Cylinder Mahindra and I cannot Say enough about it, I bought it Used (Very Lightly) W/50Hrs on it and It is Outstanding, I really Like it, Everything is HEAVY Duty on them, Of Course, They will be People that will Contradict what I have just said, BUT I' will always Buy Mahindra,have a compliment odf Equip 16 Disc, Scrape Blade, Int Bush hog have a great Day Tom.... Larry KF4LKU
There's nothing 'Ford' left in all but a very few models in NH's lineup today, and perhaps a few isolated components here and there.
When you integrate the components and features of 3 major tractor lines in 15 years and modernize them all as you go, there's not much left of the old ones...
I think if you're looking to buy a new tractor you'd do yourself a favor to look around at all of them for which you have a good, strong servicing dealer for in your area. Research what you want and compare them on specs. They all have top end models and they all have bargain hunter models. Shop and compare.
The only thing I would strongly recomend is that you stay clear of the ROC crap and any graymarket, used jap stuff because you don't know what you're getting into with parts support or some features on those tractors.
The deal you get out of a Deere or NH dealer is as much proportional to the dealer and what kind of service he gives and how bad he wants you as a customer... it's got little to do with the paint color.
I don't buy this crap that's constantly spouted by some on here about Deere or Deere parts being more expensive. Mabey if you buy the odd lynch pin now and then you'll pay more. When you buy in excess of 10 grand a year in parts you find that Deere is expensive. NH is expensive. Massey is expensive. Kubota is expensive. They're all expensive. Welcome to 2008. I find very little difference between any of them in parts pricing and I've gone as far as to cross reference some identical parts for some impliments that were outsourced by all of them from one manufacturer. Sometimes Deere sells those parts cheaper than the OEM's dealer. Go figure...
I'm not really a big Deere fan. Ford has always been my preference, but I get tired of seeing some of this unfactual crap on here all the time.
One thing I can tell you... of all the dealers I deal with, of all colors, Deere is the most likely to have parts on hand, and most likely to get the quickest from a warehouse if the dealer doesn't have the part. That's something worth thinking about.
Rod
When you integrate the components and features of 3 major tractor lines in 15 years and modernize them all as you go, there's not much left of the old ones...
I think if you're looking to buy a new tractor you'd do yourself a favor to look around at all of them for which you have a good, strong servicing dealer for in your area. Research what you want and compare them on specs. They all have top end models and they all have bargain hunter models. Shop and compare.
The only thing I would strongly recomend is that you stay clear of the ROC crap and any graymarket, used jap stuff because you don't know what you're getting into with parts support or some features on those tractors.
The deal you get out of a Deere or NH dealer is as much proportional to the dealer and what kind of service he gives and how bad he wants you as a customer... it's got little to do with the paint color.
I don't buy this crap that's constantly spouted by some on here about Deere or Deere parts being more expensive. Mabey if you buy the odd lynch pin now and then you'll pay more. When you buy in excess of 10 grand a year in parts you find that Deere is expensive. NH is expensive. Massey is expensive. Kubota is expensive. They're all expensive. Welcome to 2008. I find very little difference between any of them in parts pricing and I've gone as far as to cross reference some identical parts for some impliments that were outsourced by all of them from one manufacturer. Sometimes Deere sells those parts cheaper than the OEM's dealer. Go figure...
I'm not really a big Deere fan. Ford has always been my preference, but I get tired of seeing some of this unfactual crap on here all the time.
One thing I can tell you... of all the dealers I deal with, of all colors, Deere is the most likely to have parts on hand, and most likely to get the quickest from a warehouse if the dealer doesn't have the part. That's something worth thinking about.
Rod
Take a look at these New Hollands if you have a dealership near you. I was really impressed with the quality of these tractors and the price is very affordable. These are around $13,000. As far as the Kubota or Mahindra I would try to at least buy something that has some USA content in it. I think my dad would be much more proud of a blue New Holland or a red International. Would probably be disgusted with a Kubota or a Mahindra parked out here.
As I recall, your tractor is based on the original late-1950s B-275 and is very rugged. I believe many drivetrain parts interchange. Basically, Mahindra took the old and proven platform of the B-275 and B-414 series that IH sold in early 60s and installed modern sheet-metal, a single disk engine clutch, and overrunning PTO clutch, and a newer, direct-injected engine. Last I read, somewhere around 80% of the original parts are retained. Same horsepower, same trans, same hydraulics, same rear lift capacity, etc.
I've got several 1963 models, and they're very rugged utility tractors.
I've got several 1963 models, and they're very rugged utility tractors.
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Kubota, hands down. Tom
Mahindra are made in 3 different countries, Korea that is the eMax tractors Japan that is the MAX and any tractor that is 26 hp. after that they are made in India. One thing about Mahindra is that they do not have DEF or DPF filters. All others have DPF Filters over 26 hp Kubota, John Deer, MF, IH, and all others charge anywhere from $1500 up to $3500 for a new DPF filter. I don't know about all of you but if I am going to spend $35000 and up for a new tractor I do not want to have to replace that filter on top of it. I know that they say it is good for 3000 hours if you do everything right, but if don't then it will come much sooner then what they say.
Mahindra has a 7 to 5 year power train warranty on all of there tractors witch is better then most.
If I was to buy a new tractor I would look at the dealer no matter how good the tractor a bad dealer can make it bad.
also what is going to be your long term cost to run that tractor, that includes the DPF.
Mahindra has a 7 to 5 year power train warranty on all of there tractors witch is better then most.
If I was to buy a new tractor I would look at the dealer no matter how good the tractor a bad dealer can make it bad.
also what is going to be your long term cost to run that tractor, that includes the DPF.
that is not what I have found, I have found Kubota's to be anywhere from 1000 to 2000 more then Mahindra. But it all matters what the dealer sales the tractor at. No Matter what you chose just make sure that you have a good dealer that will make all the deafferents anyways. Just make sure you look at both closely and make sure you understand the long-term cost of owning that tractor.
Kubota is OK and no not all Kubota's are built in the united states, more then half are built in Japan. Mahindra is also a good tractor, they do not claim to build there tractors in the united states. A Kubota will have a DPF filter in anything over 26 HP, that will run you $1500 to $2500 to replace. they say it is good for 3000 hours I know that if you make a mistake and do not do the regen it can drop drastically and to just clean one cost anywhere from $800 to $1200 to clean it. Mahindra does not use DPF or DEF in any of there tractors so there is not that extra cost.
just remember that the dealer makes the tractor.
just remember that the dealer makes the tractor.
I gotta laugh at the guys pushing CaseIH and NH. They are having trouble selling em round here.
If I were in the market for a utility tractor based on dealer support and build quality my picks would be as follows.
1: Kubota
2: JD
3: Miranda
4: only if there were no other options NH/CIH (Gotta be a reason they can't sell round here yet CIH sells a lot of big tractors and combines here)
5: Jenma (not with your money but if I was to buy something with no dealer support might as well get it cheap)
6: AGCO (MF) See #5.
Rick
If I were in the market for a utility tractor based on dealer support and build quality my picks would be as follows.
1: Kubota
2: JD
3: Miranda
4: only if there were no other options NH/CIH (Gotta be a reason they can't sell round here yet CIH sells a lot of big tractors and combines here)
5: Jenma (not with your money but if I was to buy something with no dealer support might as well get it cheap)
6: AGCO (MF) See #5.
Rick
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BOTA
RobCons
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Between those two brands get your best price. I dont think you will go wrong with either one. Friends have Mahindra and others have Kubota. All hold up quite well. I do like the standard quick attach on the Mahindra loader. Makes changing from bucket to forks or other things slick.
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