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My son started school last Monday but was kicked out because of his hair color, He had it red brite red. Well some one told me the supreme court had a ruling on that ands so far I have not found it. So do any of you know where I can find this info and what do you think should a child be kept out of school because he or she wants to have red, pink, green etc hair??
Thanks for you help and info
 
I don't think the color of ones hair should keep him out of school, But why would your son want bright red hair? Stan
 
Hi old,

What there using here in AZ school rules, is a law designed for gang control.

Basicly they can expel a kid for hair color/style, shirt/pant design/style, metal on the face or other body parts, writing/symbols on anything on the body or personal items and any type of tat's.

As far as I know, you can not beat this law/rule in court.

T_Bone
 
What the hell does your kid's red hair have to do with the title of this forum_Tractor Talk? This forum is increasingly getting more of this trash on it.
 
Just tell your son that he is getting a brush cut, and hair color wont matter then. The schools now are run by idiots. The zero tolerance crap is a bunch of BS. If your son was fired from a job cause of hair color he could sue the employer for discrimination.
 
My oldest one showed up one day with red hair, got his butt burned, his head shaved, and the lady that did it got cussed out. I beleive in letting kids, mine included, but I dont allow baggy pants, and I dont allow colored hair!
 
Typical modern day parent. Taking the kids side, even when the kids behavior is the problem, not the school. When I was growing up, if the school would have kicked me out for behavior or hair color, my REAL problems would have started when I got home. Find out why your kid wants to look like a freak, and straighten him out, then send the school an apology and thank you letter. Tom
 
I'm with you on this one Old who cares what is the color of a kid's hair? This country was founded on the individual being able to be an INDIVIDUAL doesn't matter if others find it 'offensive' if they do its THEIR problem not he person exercisiing their right.Unfortunately the gov't and many of the general population are becoming more Facist in their thinking wanting everyone to conform to a cetain mold.
 
Tom --- You are sure right on --- Parents are as Freaky as thier kids these days --- maybe they like to look EVIL and advertise it ......
 
Your as bad as any I've seen --- what you people should do is Start your own School -- and Call it Freak Out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
hey old if he wants to be different dye his hair back close to his original color and shave it into a mohawk or even what I call a reverse mohawk. no dye needed and when he has had enough shave the rest off and let it grow back. Here in Ga. I don't remember anyone having trouble because of the hair style but short shorts,skirts,dresses,or tops that showed alot was grounds for being sent home or in school suspension (ISS) as long as the child was not disruptive or made a scene in class it was no problem.How old is your son?
 
Pretty much anything goes anymore, I guess. If he wants to be a doofus, let him but tell mim not to complain if he gets laughed at.
 
I have young kids. First I am kinda curious why a country kid would want fire red hair, unless it was natural. I'm not judging, just advising, watch who's he's hanging with if he is getting strange image ideas for himself. Teens all need to have their own individuality, but I myself draw the line at what i call "punk" looks. As far as schools in my area, they are too leaniant on some things and too strict on others. They let the girls wear shorts as short as they want as long as there isnt any hair showing, the guys can wear caps in class, they can ussually get away with bad words on their shirts. Wear something with a religeous saying on it and they have to turn it inside out. I better stop or I will rant. If it was my boy I would not let him have pink or red hair, I actully support the school on that one, you come to school to learn, it's a privelage, so attend looking and behaveing respectfully. Good luck with both battles, Old.
 
Best bet is to give him a buzz or have him dye the hair back to its original color. Was this in Eldon or Lake Ozark? The courts have not been very encouraging of nonconformity since approximately the beginning of Rehnquist's reign on the U. S. Supreme Court, so your chances are not as good as they were 40 years ago. Anyhow, here are the decisions.

Tinker vs Board of Education, Des moines Public Schools. This was the case where the school claimed that a black arm band was disruptive. The school board lost.

Turley vs Board of Education, Adel Public Schools. This might be the one you want because the courts told the school district that other kids hassling a kid because of his hair was not disruption and that the kid had the right to be let alone.
Tinker case, USSC.
 
Why are you guys chewing old out?What's a parent to do now a days?Back in the 50's parents would kick their kids a$$ for such a thing,children would learn their lesson and become better citizens for it.Now that would be classed as child abuse,the parents would loose their children,be the center of the local news for a month,be shunned by their community,church(if they even care about church any more) and all of society in general.The kids know that their parents hands are tied,so do the parents.Now they do what they want,know they can get away with it,so do the parents.They grow up never learning respect for others,a hard days work or any disciplin.I see alot of young people with a broken give a damn.If you want to chew me out now too,go right the hell ahead.pd.
 
I suggest you look up the Old Deluder Satan Act to get a grip on why public education is an important and fundamental government function, and Brown vs. Board of Education to understand why public education is a constitutionally protected right.
 
Obiviously he is trying to draw attention and really doesn't have his "mind" on school work. Although a parent can't always control child behavior, what that parent encourages during the developmental years has a great influence on a child's actions. We had the same odd behavior forty years ago from individuals whom were interested in provoking the administration rather than completing an education. Neither their parents nor the kids cared about "book learning" and their life's accomplishments reflect that attitude; ie all are struggling. Do you need to be an Albert Einstein or Bill Gates to succeed? No, but the chances of a successful life are much better if you accomplish discipline and focus thru your school age years. Yea, you might eventually become a wealthy rock star or today's rage, a hip-hop "singer" without an education, but many more fall along the way-side then accomplish the trek. The self-satisfaction derived from defying established rules, usually wans as one matures, moreover providing a adequate, or better yet comfortable livelihood becomes the objective. Yet as I sadly noticed, some never do learn.
 
That reminds me of a true story, the father of A.J. Trepasso, the punter for Ohio State used to work with me. He said A.J. dyed his hair red without asking once in high school. He brought home dinner one night, and handed A.J. a McDonald's Happy meal. He told his son, "If you're gonna look like Ronald McDonald, you can eat like Ronald McDonald". A.J. got the message and dyed his hair back.
Having said that, I have told my kids they will not be allowed to dye their hair odd colors while in my house, there's no reason for it. I believe kids need to learn to follow the rules, and if that's the rule at the school, then they should follow it. And the parents should back up the school unless in a rare circumstance where it causes hardship, which hair color doesn't. There's a time and place for things, I personally don't think this is it Old.
 
The Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals felt differently regarding teh St. Charles School District; they concluded that rules ought to exist for a reason. It's kind of a contract - if you want respect, be respectable. That's not as easy as it sounds.
 
Each and every generation tries to outdo the one before it. Most of what is done is strictly for shock value. My generation sure had a lot to be proud of and a lot that will hopefully be swept under the rug in time. (Remember long hair, love beads, Woodstock, ect...) While I wasn"t actively participating in much of it, I went and fought for (among other things) our right to do and say what we want.

I MIGHT not allow a son or daughter of mine to put their feet under my dinner table if they had bright red hair. I probably wouldn"t AGREE with their reasons. But I"d understand WHY they did it. I might not think it"s the smartest thing they"ve ever done, but I"ve done a few stupid things in my life too.

I would understand the parents of that kid being upset. I DON"T understand why a total stranger would be upset. Laughing yes, upset, WHY?

That said, why are we discussing such a topic as this on a dang TRACTOR site?
 
I dont think I am ultimate juge of anything, I pay taxes so our young folks can get an education and hopefully have a better life than us. I dont think kids need to go to school dressed like a bunch of bimbo"s or freaks. I beleive it is distracting. Ussually with the attention getting out fits come attitudes, not all, but most, with attitudes comes disrespect for others and elders and teachers. Allowing these kids to wear anything, say anything, and do anything are all connected to the reason alot, not all, kids, well , kids up into their 30"s are losers and have no respect for anything. They just plain are not told ,"NO-YOU CANT DO THAT", and that stays with them the rest of their life. There is no discepline these days, there is favoritism, and think these certain teachers that favor the most popular students should be reprimanded just as hard as the trouble making students.
 
You hit the nail on the head. Raised 4 sons here. The oldest is 30 youngest is 24. None in jail, no goofy dyed hair, and no frickin earings.
 
does he have that color hair when he is with you or going to get tractors etc,or do you two communicate. Sounds like he trying to get attention anyway he can and he did. I am like has already been said thats sounds like just the start of things to come. What grade he in ,we have all been there ,but it sure looks like lack of attention to me. My two kids I was lucky and are both grown and married with ther own owned homes. Oh yes there was some trying times,but colored hair NO. Talk to you child I am with the school on this one also. for boy sounds like school might did him favor instead of other kids beating tar out of him. good luck
 
I understand what your thinking and I don"t understand those blasting you over this. I firmly believe everyone has a right to express their individuality and if it"s not hurting anyone else then let them be. Each generation has had it"s own "thing" so why should this one be any different. Agree or disagree with what they do they are no different than any of us in our younger years.

On the other hand I do understand the need for sensible regulations in school, or anywhere else for that matter, especially in light of the random violence, gangs, etc that seem to be getting worse each year. Personally I"d never dye my hair to an extreem like that. On the other hand I do have a USN tattoo on my upper right arm and that"s my right. I figure I fought for everyone"s rights to be free and part of that is to be able to express their personality and if it"s not hurting anyone else then what"s the fuss all about. The only thing I can see that would create a problem is that if hair color was being used as a gang sign or whatever you want to call it. If that were the case I can understand the rules against it. As strongly as I believe in freedom I also believe that without some rules there"d be nothing but chaos because many people have no clue how to live and act without some sort of a guide telling them how to do it.

All that said here"s a link to the Supreme Court"s web site. It should have a listing of all their rulings if you have the time to look through them to find the right one. Until then....Exercise your power, be the parent and tell him to tone it down a notch and get his butt back in school so he can get an education. Good luck.
Supreme Court
 
I wasn't going to comment on this one, but I decided to give it a go. A couple of thoughts warrant commenting.

1.) I am not saying your son is a gang member, but in schools where gang issues area problems, any means of altering your body to mold into a specific image can be a real concern. (hair coloring, tattoos, etc.) We don't need any more violence in our schools. The safety of students MUST be the number one concern of a school. If students don't feel safe, they will not be in a position to maximize their educational experience.

2.) Chances are this boy just plain wants to know where the boundaries are. I've seen it many times. Students will push right to the limit, trying to find the boundaries, and they want someone to draw the line and say this is it. We don't allow this, this is the reason why, now correct the problem and we can go on with what our jobs are. In school it is teaching from the teachers and learning from the students.

3.) Has your son been taught from day one that learning and education are a privilege, not necessarily a right. Although there are government regulations stating children must be educated, my parents taught me from day one that my education was my responsibility, and what I choose to do with it was my decision. However, if there was an issue that arose where I was not making responsible decisions, I knew my dad would listen to the teacher first, me second, and then inform me as to what was going to happen to correct my thinking that had opposed the teacher. Looking back, he and the teacher always sided together, and I have since realized they were always right. I am so thankful that I had a parent(s) who would set limits and demonstrate respect for authority and education.

4.) Old, go and sit down and have a conversation with the school administrator. Find out what the concerns are from the school, voice your opinion, and I do believe if you have an open mind you will see where the school has it's valid concerns. Why not comply with the school's wishes while your son is at school, and allow him to have his hair colored during the summer months and Christmas breaks, etc. when he is at home and away from the school setting.
 
That comment was not necessary. Old is a very respected member of this forum. It's comments like this that get people no where in a discussion. Also, I have had a conversation with you via email regarding your religious beliefs, and if what you claimed to be in that email is who you are, I sure don't see how that comment would set you apart from others as being "salt and light".
 
Old, if I was you I would go and talk to the school admin that kicked him out and find out all the details.
Get the school handbook, regardless of what a law states, if their has been trouble at the school with (COLORS) gangs their hand book will take precedence if you fight it in court.
I do not know your son so cant say anything about him and do not know the school or its (rules), but you will be money ahead to call and make an appointment to sit down with them and get the scoop, may be more to it than your son is telling and may be more than the school is telling.
Just get all the info before you jump in the middle of them

And all you guys wearing old out, what the hell are you thinking, you dont know the whole situation
 
Old, I'm 100 percent behind you on this. Its his hair color and if he likes it and you are ok with it then its none of the school's business how he expresses himself. Unfortunately, public education is still staffed in placed with people who think that how a kid chooses to express him or herself is their business even if it doesnt affect anyone else. My email's open, if you want to litigate this out shoot me an email and I'll see if I can find an attorney specializing in free speach in your area.
 
Thanks. I also appreciated your comments made earlier about appropriate clothing and messages on clothing. It is sad that swearing and nasty messages are ok, but a scripture verse or religious message is not acceptable. Thankfully it has not gotten to that extreme in our schools. I know some outfits the girls are wearing I would not allow my daughter to wear, but at least the Sunday school T-shirts are still not a problem for kids to wear. Matter of fact, our local churches pass out information about their Wednesday night church activities for kids, and I think that is great. They are not obligated to go at all, but at least they are made aware of the opportunities.
 
Go ahead and fight it out in court. Show your kid that he does not have to obey any rules he does not like. Was the red hair a suprise to you? Seems to me that you needed to spend less time on your computer and more time keeping track of what your family was doing.
 
As was mentioned in the previous post, best get a copy of the school's handbook because I am willing to bet there will be a clause in there about what the school will not allow in terms of things that can be a connection with, or symbol of, violence. If that is the case, there will be no grounds to stand on in terms of a lawsuit. In our district, parents must sign a letter stating they have read and understand all components of the handbook before the students start school in the district.
 
Our school handbook states that hair color must appear "natural" meaning no extreme colors, stripes, etc.

I know that changing your appearance is an individual right and a way of individual expression; however, I can also tell you that these "individual expressions" can be very, very disruptive in a classroom setting. Our school has fairly strict rules on appearance and requires a full uniform -- this ensures that all students feel equal and don't have to worry about impressing their friends with expensive (or embarrassing) clothes or other appearance items.

Go sit down with the school admin and have a calm discussion. I'm sure there is a valid reason for the rule.
 
Wow! Some of you sure posted some really harsh comments that are totally uncalled for. Old said what happened and asked a question. He didn't ask to be judged. If his son just decided he wanted to be different, who cares. I've seen a lot of people working with nose and eye brow piercings, colored hair, mohawks, etc. Almost always theses people are the most polite and helpful. I think the school over reacted. They should have called Old and the kids mom and all of them, including the son, should have discussed it in a professional manner. People are so quick to judge without knowing all the facts. What if Olds son was the star player on the football team and a straight A student that everyone liked? Not everybody has to confirm to what some people consider normal. Individuality is a right. Didn't the master race ideals start a war? Lighten up, it's only hair color. Dave
 
old-

More thoughts. Your post tells me a couple of things.

First, you are mumbling about the "Supreme Court..." That tells me you are one of those people who will fight just about anything he doesn't like and sees rules as blocking "individuality". Do you suppose this attitude could have spilled over onto your son?

Red hair in itself is not too bad, just something that is silly and stupid, something that cries "I need attention!" But, it's what the red hair leads to, the activites, the people he hangs around with, not only what he is doing now but what he will be doing in the future. The colored hair/strange haircut crowd very often evolve into folks who you might not want your son to become associated with.

But--you are doing a GRAVE disservice to your son by trying to fight the schools decision and muttering things like "Supreme court decisions."

Think on it, OK?
 
Doesn't matter what we think.............the local school board and those in surrounding counties have a dress/appearance code using words like "disruptive in appearance", "distractive", "contrary to school rules/discipline", "detrimental to educational environment", "that draws unusual attention", etc. I expect your board has something similar; most places, whether school, military, job site, family, etc. are gonna have some type rules and if you're gonna be a part of that organization, you'll have to conform.
 
Your comments are along the same lines as people that think everyone that wears a leather motorcycle jacket is involved with the Hells Angels or other gang. Smart motorcyclists wear a leather jacket for protection in case they have an accident. It's not right to judge people that wear leather jackets and it's not right to judge someone who colors their hair a different color from the norm. It's especially not right to judge a parent because their kid did something out of the ordinary. You are way out of line with your preaching to Old. He didn't do anything wrong and neither did his son. If the school had a policy they should have explained it. Dave
 
Would you believe, my son right now is sort of in the navy. He signed up this summer in the inactive reservers and next July he will go active. Even his recruiter sees nothing wrong with his hair color when it was still rad, ya he could not have it that way in the navy when he goes active but thats not the point. Just saying this to let you know more info about my son
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This is already settled in court at the US Supreme Court level. There's no fight available unless the school administration think their case is different somehow.
 
Neither one of those its Camdenton R3 school. Ya he has changed his hair back to a more true color so he can go to school. One of his dreams is the go in the navy active hes in the navy now inactive. He has to graduate school which he should do in May guess you could say its his last year of school so he wanted to have a little freedom for one last year. I know when I was in school I paved the way for others in my school to have the right to long hair. I beat the school I went to on the long hair rules and as far as trouble in school I never caused trouble but they sure did there best to cause me trouble because I had long hair and it stayed long and still is long today, only time it was short was the 6 years I was in the NAVY
 
Rich,
I do not understand why the school would get their nnalert in a bunch. people dye their hair all the time and so far, unless they use too strong of hair dye, it don't affect their thinking. Kids have, for as long as I can remember, have tried to be differant, no I did not paint my hair when I was growing up, but that was not the style, but I had long hair, the "establishment" did not like it, but I am now a business owner, and because I did not fit in with the "cool" kids, I am not a murderer, not a freak, I just had my rebelious stage, that almost all kids do, and if you tell me you did not, I do not believe a word you are saying, it is human nature. It might be hair style, clothes, music, something!
I have 3 granddaughters that are 14 years old, triplets, always painting their hair differant colors....they are all 3 straight A students!!!
That is the problem, too many people worrying about little stuff and not worrying about the big stuff.
 
Hes 18 and this is his last year. Hes in the inactive reserves right no. Navy and this time next year he should be active navy if he graduates from school that is. Oh by the way I did not like his hair color but it was his choice to do it and as long as he doesn't cause trouble which he doesn't I could over look the hair color. Sort of like when I was in high school I had long hair and they tried to kick me out of school because of it. One time when I was called to the office I had them call my dad and my dad told them flat out if all you can find wrong with my son is his long hair leave him alone and that was the last time I was in the office. I never got in trouble in school but they did cause me trouble. I still have long hair to this day, but I also did serve in the navy 1974-1980. As my son plans to do
 
That's one of the odd things about school administration types. It's a lot easier to enforce a set of arbitrary rules than it is to actually educate kids.

The school loses if they go to court. In this particular case, the law and the court cases are strongly in favor of the kid with the stupid-looking hair. I wonder what kind of education that school principal could have. A person with the proper credentials to be a principal would know better.
 
What % of the teachers, Administrators, school board etal die their hair (males included)
I'll bet it is substantial. A Black haired person transformed to blond is a far greater stretch then to red. My sentements are to back your sons right to be what he wants to be. I wore a black shirt with a rib skeleton on it yesterday and every young clerk in three stores treated me more acceptably and as a cool "with it" person. It is two faced on the administration's part to set standards that do not apply to themselves. A black haired adult changing to blond is (likely to be) because they want to appear more attractive. Not the less powerful attempt to be different.
I am further distressed by those with limited feel for the freedom we contend is worth fighting for!!!!! that would agressively accuse you of being the problem Your friend, Jim
 
What % of the teachers, Administrators, school board etal die their hair (males included)
I'll bet it is substantial. A Black haired person transformed to blond is a far greater stretch than to red. My sentements are to back your sons right to be what he wants to be. I wore a black shirt with a rib skeleton on it yesterday and every young clerk in three stores treated me more acceptably and as a cool "with it" person. It is two faced on the administration's part to set standards that do not apply to themselves. A black haired adult changing to blond is (likely to be) because they want to appear more attractive. Not the less powerful attempt to be different.
I am further distressed by those with limited feel for the freedom we contend is worth fighting for!!!!! that would agressively accuse you of being the problem Your friend, Jim
 
Would you believe I paved the way in my high school as far as kid getting by with long hair. I was the first one in my school with long hair and yes they tried to get me to cut it but they lost there battle. I had hair down below my shoulders all time time I was in high school and my parents told them if all they could find wrong with me was my hair then they should leave me alone and they did end up giving up on having me cut my hair. Not long after lots of them had long hair so I paved the way for others back then
 
Don't know the laws but I'd say unless they kick out every chick (students and teachers) with blond hair and black roots they ain't got a leg to stand on.
 
Have you read the school's handbook. Here where I sub if a student is expelled there is a hereing with parent(s) and student plus supervisor.
 
"So do any of you know where I can find this info and what do you think should a child be kept out of school because he or she wants to have red, pink, green etc hair??"

I don't know the court ruling nor do I think it applies. What counts is what the student handbook rules are. Is it allowed? Is it not?

I have been following a very similar thread on another forum about hair coloring by students. In that case the handbook said it was not allowed. The student was a grade school student and wore pink hair. When confronted about it she claimed it was because her dad died of cancer and that the pink had been worn in his memory.

A grade school child and a child nearing adulthood in high school are two different things. In grade school they are still in FORMATIVE years whereas in high school they should be beyond that.

In either case it still boils down to what the rules say about it.

If one doesn't like the rules then work trying to get them changed BEFORE breaking them. Same applies to parents, if you don't like the rules in the handbook then run for membership on the school board.
 
I have four children, ages 16 down to 7. All are good kids, do not get into trouble, make A's and B's in school, attend church, respect their elders. and help out around the house without being ask. I attribute this to being well raised, with more credit for that going to my wife than I will accept myself.

That being said, I know I have good kids. And if they choose to dye their hair green, red or orange, they will have to live with the consequences of their actions. Friends laughing at them, adults wondering what they were thinking. That is an easy enough lesson to learn. Shave your head, buy more color, and the lesson is over.

Sometimes it is easier to let them learn from their mistakes. Makes it easier to get your point aross when there is an issue with greater consequences, like life and death. Deal with the big stuff, and let them learn from the little stuff.
 
I am glad your son got things worked out. I hate to look at things this way, but it's a battle that costs too much to win. He'd have to really like the hair a lot to make it worth the fight.

It happens that I met the Tinkers when this was a hot issue. They are Quakers and the black armband was to honor the fallen military personnel. The Des Moines school board went ballistic over it. Turley went to school in my hometown and the principal was my former football coach. The coach never did learn to use a little finesse to get through a troublesome spot.
 
Ya now days it seem school get worked up about such little thing but don't seem to have a clue about the big thing that they do not see. I know my son has told me not sure its true or not but probably is that at any given day there is probably 3 or 4 hand guns in his school and the people that should know don't have a clue as to what they have in the school. They worry about the stupid things like hair color but don't seem to know how to take care of thing that could be very bad
 
The new american way is to break all the rules first and then try to drag everyone else down to your level. To Me it looks like a winding staircase. We just keep going lower. Rule are made for a reason. Following them is an important part of life. Learn it early and you will find life much easier. AS for rebellion in kids, it can have fatal results if not put down in a hurry. Henry
 
True, but is bleached blonde hair as "distracting" as bright red?

Im not for or against either way, but dying hair blonde and red are kind of different in a way.
 
(quoted from post at 13:32:19 08/25/08) That is true, professional employers dont want freaks working for them.
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Yep , its called a dress code .
The School board is made up of elected members and makes rules , otherwise we would have thongs and pasties on the slutttty girls . All the kids are there to get an education and not to look at the freak showing off . You should be glad theres not a school uniform like in the navy :wink: .
 
You've really jumped outside the guard rails on this one, Bub. You've missed the entire point. Yup!! The doofus can do anything he wants with his hair; just be prepared for the consequences and "old" should have just stifled it and not come on here sniffling and whining about the Supreme Court decisions he wanted to find to get at the school because of what they did to his son.

I DON'T judge people by the types of jackets they wear; my 70 year old BIL is a Harley guy and wears a leather jacket. And he's an adult as opposed to "old's" son who is a kid and needed some proper guidance from his "old" man, guidance that he didn't get, BTW.

BUT--red hair IS a different issue entirely, especially if the kid is in school. That type of thing leads to a little of this, a little of that and neither "this" nor "that" are usually good. And yes--I DO judge kids by the color of their hair; it tells me a lot about them and their parents.

So--"old" can let him have his last "fling" but "old" can also shut the HALL up about the consequences of the "Red Hair Last Fling."

You have missed the whole issue her by more than a country mile.

Wake up, get a life, and get in the real world.
 
Natural colors only in our school.
If the shorts and skirts do not go down to the finger tips of the out stretched arm their out also.
My wife teaches also where they must wear a school uniform and strict dress code.
She thinks it's great.No more of who has the most money to spend on designer clothes.Mark
 
Sorry to inform you that you are the one that missed the issue. You just admitted that you do judge kids by their hair. If a kid was bald because of cancer, you'd probably think they were a skin head. If the school had a policy of no headwear, I guess the same kid would have to be expelled because they wore a hat or bandana on their head. There is no difference. You also resorted to name calling. You're way to quick to judge people. Look how popular Tattoos have become. Do you judge people with tattoos as well. I think that maybe you're the one who needs to wake up and get in the real world. Maybe your parents guidance and lack of tolerance should be questioned?
 
What a ridiculous assertion! No way would I judge a kid who was bald because of cancer treatments.

Tattoos-same category as red hair. Stupid! They have the right to do that but I think tattoos are stupid and judege those folks accordingly.

And you also judge people re: various issues. Everyone does.

Back to the point-

Redhair--against school rules.
"old-" "Let's take down the school and its rules! Where's that Supreme Court decision?"

So--go for the red hair but back out of it if the kid gets crossways with the school.

Now, and finally--the red hair, orange hair, etc. leads to association with "like-minded" others and this group usually is involved in some of the more destructive kinds of behaviors. Not saying a thing here about ability to learn. We are talking about common sense.

Defiant individuality does nothing to help a kid along the road to maturity and for too long, we have adopted the "whatever" approach to things, the heck with rules and standards, and it's hurt us as people and as a country.

Have a good day--
Dave 2N, who in May of 2008 completed 42 years in full-time and part-time education. (And observed quite a few kids along the way!)
 
Clarification on tattoos-
I DO NOT judge those who while in the military had a small tattoo, usually on the arm. My thanks to "old' and all militarty personnel who have served or are serving our country.

My judgements about people with tattoos concerns those cretins we see around today, arms, necks, legs, and faces in some cases, tattooed. And all of this, messing up their bodies just to be "individuals???" It's their right to do this, their right to be stupid. I don't argue that at all. Our Constitution allows people to be stupid.
 
Just as I thought. For whatever reason it's OK for some to do something different but for others to do the same thing it's stupid. Generalizing that a kid with colored hair or a tattoo is up to no good is just plain wrong. If you saw a kid that was bald, how would you know if they had cancer or not? With your mentality, you'd already have judged them and not as a cancer patient. I had a boss once tell me that I had the best answer he's ever seen on a job application. I said that I treat everyone with the same respect until they give me a reason not to. How does a kid with red hair or a tattoo hurt us as people and as a country? Now that is a rediculous statement. You mention common sense. Maybe you need to go back and read some of your comments. There's a lot of very successful multi-millionaires with colored hair and tattoos that would blow your theories out of the water. I'm done with this subject as I can see your still in the dark ages when it comes to being tolerant about something that you don't think is proper. Who died and made you the moral police? A kid with red hair didn't hurt anything. Dave
 
I must have struck a nerve that you're back to name calling. I don't have to call you a name. It's obvious that you have very little tolerance for anyone that does something a little bold. That's called being closed minded. You should read Paul in MN's post to another person who feels like you do. Dave
 
Sorry, Bub. You are obviously out of the "real world" loop on this issue. I have opinions, I do make judgements, all of those things that you consider to be bad. You may continue on with your "cumbayahing" but but that's the misguided's way of dealing with things--like sticking one's head in the sand or up one's azz.

I have the right to have opinions and be judgemental just as much as old's son has the right to be stupid, just as much as old has the right to prattle on about red hair being equivalent to "fighting for freedoms."

I make no apologies for having opinions or being judgemental. Stop with the "encounter group" bullskit already, and accept the fact that you aren't going to change me or browbeat me to your way of thinking. And like it or not, most people are judgemental and do have opinions. That's the real world.

Once again, for YOU because YOU don't get it: it's what the red hair leads to that is the problem, and old should have known that.

Now go back to watching the convention.
 
I didn't think it was a big deal. You did. Since you like to generalize, in my experience the people that have to resort to name calling and derogatory statements to someone else in a disagreement do so because they know they they don't really have a legitimate argument. What exactly does red hair lead to anyway? And you were a teacher! Tolerance to others is one of best values a person can have. Perhaps you need a lesson on tolerance. When I went to school people carrying knives, doing drugs and bullying were much bigger issues than if someone wanted to be different and colored their hair. I went to a trade school that had a lot of troubled students. So much so that the school was the first one in the city to have a full time cop in it. Red hair wasn't the problem and isn't illegal. You have a right to your opinions but you don't have the right to say that your opinion is the right one and someone elses opinion is misguided or makes them stupid. I know you'll never change. That's part of the problem. Most people are judgemental. The ones that aren't are a better class of citizen because they are like Old said, open minded. You're not. Old fought for your rights and his son is signing up to do the same. You should appreciate that, unless you'd rather live in a communist dictatorship. You're the one who doesn't get it. A kid colored his hair red for what ever reason and you think he and his father should be condemed. Maybe they should get the death penalty. I still can't believe you were a teacher. You wouldn't have lasted a week at my school. Dave (not Bub)
 
Take a Valium, Dave (not Bub). Obviously your nerves are all frazzled over this issue.

And--I have a right to say whatever I want to say, think whatever I want to think and judge whomever I want to judge. You have the right to not read what I post, ignore me or reply to me. Your choice. That's what freedom is all about. You sure have "libbed" the original post way OT.

Now get a life.
 
Olds son has a right to color his hair if he chooses as well. Still with the sarcastic statements. Perhaps you need to get a life. I have decided that I can no longer tolerate someone who views the world through binoculars made in the dark ages. Go outside, look around. Unless you're one of those people afraid to go outside because of all the people with colored hair and tattoos that are just up to no good. My nerves are fine. I didn't have to resort to name calling and sarcastic comments. You did! It's been a slice but I have better things to do than try to explain that red hair doesn't automatically turn someone into a bad person. Dave
 
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