Rims and Tires

Sevral weeks ago, i called a local garage about putting old car tires on a wagon for me. They are 16x6.00 and all 4 were shot. I took the old ones off and threw them out, then took the rims to the garage. Turns out his tires wont fit. He said he'd look around for me. The other day i happened to be in town, and i stopped in. He said i would need new rims too. I said they worked fine in the past so why wouldnt they now?? He took me behind the building to where they had been sitting for a month and a half. Huh, thats why, theyre covered in rust now. Makes sence. They looked great when i brought them in.

So what now?? Get the things away from this idiot and go from there??

The B will also need a new front tire, instead of the never used car tire on there now. The WC needs both fronts replaced.

So i need to buy four 16x6.00 used car tires for that wagon, as well as finding some way to clean up my rims. Im thinking of welding a band around the rims and avoiding pavement.

And i need three 15 inchers for the tractors. Yuppie supply has them for $60 each and tubes for $15 each. I dont want to spend $220 and mounting on front tires. I cant seem to find any cheaper then that. Has anyone had any luck with any generic tires?? Titan and brands like that??? They basicially have to be black and roll. My tractors arent show tractors, theyre going to get dirty.

Where should i look for 16s for that wagon?? Ive tried all the local garages and no one has any that narrow.

Are the rims so badly rusted their strength is compromised? Otherwise, what's the problem with the rust??? Are they thinking the rims have to be perfect for a tubless setup, or are you planning to run tubes in the tires?

theyre tubers. The rust makes the rim really rough, and it was perfactially smooth when i brought them in. I guess somehow that whatever the inside was painted with doesnt do much for rust.

Lanse if it is surface rust you can remove that.

As far as size, if they are for a wagon go with tires that are a little wider. The wagon won't care.

Gary

nope. His were WAY too wide. I never thought changing tires was this complicated :-(

I'm not sure what metric size compares to the 6.00X16, but we generally mount something like a 235x85R16. That's probably closer to a 7.50x16 thopugh, but shouldn't be a problem if it's just a wagon.

Donovan from Wisconsin

yep, the thing goes 3 miles a year at 5 miles an hour.....


I called the local awesomestuff-yard and asked, and the guy said "We got em-but you wouldnt want em'" atleast someone is honest.....

A number of places have the 6:00 X 16" if you meant that instead of 16 X 6". They aren't cheap by anyones standards, and with shipping---I don't think you even want to look.

http://www.oldchevytrucks.biz/47_55/full.asp?page=131
http://www.millertire.com/
http://www.tiretown.com/

Have you checked the farm supply stores that carry implement tires?

While I doubt they would have them you might even check with Walmart to see if they can order them at a decent price.

Best wishes. I hadn't realized that tires had gotten so out of line. Probably cheaper to replace tires and rims that carries a modern size.
Coker Tire

I saw a WD-45 the other day with a pair of space-saver, tempory use only spare tires on the front. Looked kind of funky, but it worked.

The tractors you could put 15 inch tires off of a pickup.You might find them at a tire shop used for not much money.The 6.00 x 16 wagon tire is not going to be easy to find.6.00 x 16 car tires are older then me,and Im in my 50s.Maybe they still used them when I was a kid,but I dont remember it.You can find used 7.50x16 inch 3/4 ton pickup tires,but you dont want those 16.5 3/4 ton pickup tires.Whoever has the 16 inch pickup tires might want a lot for them.If you can find some 15 inch wheels to fit your wagon bolt pattern,and maybe that you can put 7.50 x 15 tires on the wagon,thats what you want for cheap.Especially if you would be lucky enough to find some tubeless wheels that would fit the wagon.Maybe a Chevy or Ford or Dodge bolt pattern will work.There was a long time ago a spare tire wheel,I think it came in a station wagon,that had every bolt pattern for GM products on it.It would fit Buick,Pontiac,Chevy,Oldsmobile cars and trucks.If you can find a wheel like that,or just measure your bolt pattern and center hole of the wheel,take the measurements to a junk yard,or call them with your measurements,maybe they can tell you what wheels would fit your bolt pattern,if any.Then you would have to try a wheel with a tire on it to see if it was going to have the tire rubbing on anything.Maybe somebody knows what wheel will fit on a wagon bolt pattern.I dont remember.

if i remember right mike in california got used motorcycle 16 inch tires for his farmall H at a motorcycle shop. sound tires with worn tread. i think they gave them to him so they didn't have to pay disposal fees leroy

unless the rims are rusted clear through you should be able to wirebrush or sandblast them,throw a coat of paint on them and be ready to go.You might also want to try a rust converter on them, bill m.

I had a tough time following all of your post.

A braided wire wheel on an angle grinder does a good job cleaning rust off rims.

I have had good luck with the Carlisle tires for fronts. TSC carries them and they are cheaper than most. If you were going to put hundreds of hours on your tractors every year you would probably want something higher quality, but for your purposes they will be fine.

If you are feeling adventurous TSC also sells tire irons. You have enough tires that it might be worth learning how to change them yourself.

Tires are probably the single most expensive part of a tractor to replace. Watch for used ones, patch old ones, or spend $$ for new ones. You might want to consider finishing one tractor before starting the next one, it spreads the cost out better. Good luck.

I put space saver tires on the front of both my B and C. Doesn't look bad. Most wagon hubs have the 5 lug 5-1/2" circle bolt pattern. You could use Ford pickup wheels but have to trim out the pilot hole a little. I have some of those white 15" sport wheels on my wagon, their pilot hole is plenty large.

Lanse,

If you want minimum cost, look for some of the "Temporary Spares". Some of them for GM cars and Vans had the same bolt pattern as the WC and WD tractor fronts. Look for the 16 inch ones and you can use the temporary spare TIRE as well. The wheel center may need to be cut or ground out. It is POSSIBLE to do with a saber saw or a "sawsall" or a small hand grinder. A cutting torch is not the best way to do this as not much metal needs to be removed and a torch will heat up the wheel and likely warp it and may cause the wheel to crack. Some of them (full size Pontiac, Buick, Oldsmobile, and Cadilac and some Vans - some years may fit "as is".) I have run a couple of them on the front of a WC for a number of years, then put new 16 inch tractor front - three rib tires on the same "temporary spare" wheels (when I got them on sale at a really good - low price). Also "temporary spare" wheels and tires make good "bush hog" tires and wheels, just throw them away when they get cut up. The 15 or 14 inch ones will work if used in "matched pairs". Also you can put larger used 15 inch car or truck tires on the 15 or 14 inch "tempory spare" wheels. Also you can use the standard car wheels from these cars and put larger tires on to get about the same Outside Diameter as the original tractor front tire. I ran a set of 14 inch Pontiac (standard full size car wheels) on a WC for years (with the centers ground out) with the largest (widest) tires I could find on it. The wheels had a different web spacing or offset and allowed plenty of room for the larger - wider tires. (There was enough space between the tires that the tires did not "rub" each other.) They did not steer as well when plowing or using an angled blade but seem just fime for anything else. If you do this do not run too much air pressure in the larget tires. I think I ran about 22 to 24 P.S.I. in the larger tires on the front of the tractor.

If you can get to yard sales you can sometimes find very good tires and wheels (even mounted) for very low prices. Sometimes if you find them late on the last day of the yard sale you can get them VERY cheap of free. Around here it costs $5.00 to drop off (get rid of) a mounted tire at the "solid waste center" and someone has to haul the tires there.

If all you have is surface rust on your wheels, just clean it off and give the wheel a coat of paint and let it dry well. Have you ever mounted a tire on a wheel? The car, small truck and wagon one piece steel wheels are rather easy to mount a tire on - if you know how. If you are using tubes in the tires you can even air them up with a "hand tire pump"- if you really want to. (That is how it "use to be done" years ago when time was not as valuable as it is today.) Is there someone available that can show you how to mount a tire on a wheel? Also learn how to properly - SAFELY inflate a mounted tire. Taking the tire off the wheel is the difficult part for me. Good luck in your efforts. Gordon in IN

My john deere tractor is supposed to have the 6.00x16 tires on it. Long story short, 235/85/16 truck tires fit perfectly and they are 10 ply. Look for used ones at the tire shop $20-$25 each mounted. And they will last a lot longer and not tear up the grass as bad. If the 235s are too wide try some 215/85 or 215/75 for a lower profile.

I went to a local tire shop where I have done business for years, and asked if they could get me 4 used tires for a haywagon I had. I took it in the next day, told them no hurry on getting it back. I picked it up that afternoon, and they didn't charge me anything!! The manager said he had a lot of used tires to get rid of!!

(quoted from post at 12:18:58 08/03/08) Sevral weeks ago, i called a local garage about putting old car tires on a wagon for me. They are 16x6.00 and all 4 were shot. I took the old ones off and threw them out, then took the rims to the garage. Turns out his tires wont fit. He said he'd look around for me. The other day i happened to be in town, and i stopped in. He said i would need new rims too. I said they worked fine in the past so why wouldnt they now?? He took me behind the building to where they had been sitting for a month and a half. Huh, thats why, theyre covered in rust now. Makes sence. They looked great when i brought them in.

So what now?? Get the things away from this idiot and go from there??

The B will also need a new front tire, instead of the never used car tire on there now. The WC needs both fronts replaced.

So i need to buy four 16x6.00 used car tires for that wagon, as well as finding some way to clean up my rims. Im thinking of welding a band around the rims and avoiding pavement.

And i need three 15 inchers for the tractors. Yuppie supply has them for $60 each and tubes for $15 each. I dont want to spend $220 and mounting on front tires. I cant seem to find any cheaper then that. Has anyone had any luck with any generic tires?? Titan and brands like that??? They basicially have to be black and roll. My tractors arent show tractors, theyre going to get dirty.

Where should i look for 16s for that wagon?? Ive tried all the local garages and no one has any that narrow.

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I ran into a similar problem with rust on the inside of rims before.
I had some 7.50 x 16 rims that had made a few trips into the salt water and when it was time to replace the tires, they were too rusty for a tube to last without chafing a hole in them. So the tire guy put a boot on the rim first, then mounted the tire and tube.
Problem was, he only had one boot in stock and it would take 3 days to get another, not an option at the time. So i looked around his place and saw some old tubes laying around and asked if they were going to be reused, he said NO, so I took one of the old tubes and cut it up to fit the other rim, he mounted the tire and tube, and I went on my way.
The home made boot is still holding air and the rust hasn't worn through the tube yet and its been about 5 years now.
BTW, the cheapest place I have found tires is, Unser tires. FREE shipping to your door if you buy 4 or more. Heres their addy, good luck.
http://www.unsertire.com

Sandblast the wheels, prime them and then coat them with a good enamel... or if you really want them to last use a two part epoxy paint. That will harden to the point that you can't strike an arc on the wheel with a welder.
When that's done, I'd look for a set of 235/85R16 truck tires. They're probably not as common as they once were, but still fairly common. Should be cheap.
If the wheels are tubeless, mount them tubeless. You will have far less trouble with tubeless tires.

Rod

Look for 215 - 85R - 16 truck tires, they will fit the rim for the 6:00 X 16 tire better than the larger sizs mentioned, only problem is if you do not have bed clearance and larger would be worse. Don't worry about anytread on them, get tires that have a sollid casing but are wore out beyound road legal use, dealer should give you those tires . The 16" spares will work on the WC, the 15" on the B & C. And a rim will lay out for 10 years and still be good, just a bit of wire brush for surface rust

Lanse, scrounge up a set of 225/75-16 tires- these will be load range D. Not as tall as the 215/85-16s. A lot of smaller van-based motorhomes use 'em, so if there's an RV place close by they should be able to hook you with some baldies.
Take those rims to a "freindlier" tire shop, ask 'em to spin 'em up on the balancer and hold a wire brush to them- they'll be fine. If they are really that rough, cover 'em in duck tape or electrican tape. The truck tires will be tubeless, and frankly I'd stick stems in 'em and run 'em that way.

If the centers are welded in and not rivited that would work but have them mounted using a sealer on bead to rim