OT/ critical feed use program

rrlund · Jul 28, 2008

Miserable government and tree hugging pains in the @ss. I called the FSA office way back in early June about haying CRP ground under that program. They told me the basics,said they had a conference call coming up that same day,but no need to be in a hurry,you can't cut until August 1st anyway. So,I waited until early July,went in to certify my acres and sign up for DCP and a judge had put a halt on the critical feed use program,so I couldn't sign up. They've lifted the ban,so I went up this morning to sign up. They said that anybody who signed up before July 8th could procede. Anybody else has to wait for more instructions to know if we even can. In other words,if you didn't sign up when you couldn't sign up,you can't sign up! If I can't,it's open season on environmentalists around here and I'll get even,even if I have to take it out of their hides! The kicker is,they said that they are making owners DISC new CRP ground in the 3rd or 4th year now because the grass gets too thick for baby birds! These nosey pains in the @ss are gonna start to pay for having their nose in my business one way or another.

Mark-Mi · Jul 28, 2008

Lets see you signed up for the CONSERVATION RESERVE PROGRAM and collected the payments yet you want to farm it.What was you thinking when you signed your name to that contract?That you could have it both ways.Maybe it should be open season on welchers.Mark

paul · Jul 28, 2008

I really don't like one person having that much power in this country, for a group to find one judge that they can convince.

On the other hand, I did not like the double dipping of openning up the CRP acres to haying - as I understood it for a small flat fee, you could collect your money & make the hay too. That seems wrong to me.

Past years if there was a feed emergency, you had to pay back some of the money you collected, & then you could hay it.

I do understand the hoops & dumb ideas part, the govt never considers practical application of things, just rules & regulations on a rubber stamp, no idea of what they really are accomplishing....

Corn prices dropped in part because your CRP land was opened up - they feel 3 million acres of corn equivelent.... Doesn't seem to make the headlines that it is no longer available to cattle feeders, so that 3 million acres is out of the picture - nope, that doesn't hit the general news, so I'm losing more than you in corn prices......

--->Paul

KEB1 · Jul 28, 2008

Just an observation from having spent my entire career either working for the Federal government or for government contractors...I know absolutely nothing about CRP, and not a whole lot more about farming.

The "government" does a lot of things that on the surface seem really stupid, and sometimes they are. On the other hand, a lot of the restrictive and sometimes "silly" rules come about because someone tried to game the system or found a loophole. The government bureaucracy then responds the only way it knows how, and creates a new rule. Frustrating sometimes, but that's how it works.

Keith

Nebraska K · Jul 29, 2008

Mark-Mi
Not everyone is trying to get paid and sell hay off of this land. Some people like us NEED TO USE IT. We are in our 8th year of drought, cows are hungry, and everyones hay supply is depleated. For people like us it is essential that we are able to use it right now. By the time the bunny f##$ers are done jerking us around, any good use that we could have had from the grass is going to be gone, just so some birds and deer have a place to hide. Not to mention that cutting or grazing it will greatly reduce fire danger. If you think that having all this wildlife is so great, come get some. I will gladly let you have all you want, then the govt can tell you when you can and cant mow your lawn. Try not to step in the prairie dog holes that everyone thinks are so great.

Mark-Mi · Jul 29, 2008

Nebraska K,mow my lawn,think I am a city slicker.No just a 30 year full time farmer that has not taken a goverment payment for 6 years.I live in the trenches growing vegtables for 28 years.Let me think 1987 was the drought(thought it could not get any worse)1998 was the floods.Lost 125,000 dollars made it back in time with no handouts.I'll leave at that with two things to remember.
1.A dry year will scare you,A wet year will kill you.
2. A deal is A deal,live with it.
Enough said.Mark

Jack a · Jul 29, 2008

You agreed to give control to your government. Now you got to live with it.

paul · Jul 29, 2008

CRP - govt & farmer enter a contract, typically 10 years, to plant a crop of native grasses, control weeds, and let it sit for wildlife. This is typically poorer ground - wet, hill, etc.

In real bad dry years, emergency is declared & you can pay back sone of the govt rent money, and harvest the hay - with restrictions. These are in small local regions, declaired on a county by county basis.

This year because we were afeared of running short of crops, and feed prices were so high, the govt was going to open up 1/2 of all the CRP land to hay/pasture. There was a $75 fee, but no rent payback.

Many of us farmers understand opening up the land for harvest, but don't think the fellas should aslo get the rent money from the govt - double dipping.

Harvesting these acres lowers the value of corn & hay. So the rest of us farmers pay a penalty. Those with CRP get to collect their normal govt check, plus get to sell a hay crop. So they get a bonus.

Rob Peter to pay Paul. Doesn't seem right.

Allowing the CRP to be harvested - can understand that.

--->Paul

rrlund · Jul 29, 2008

It's not even my land. None of mine is in CRP,I need it all to feed cattle. It's the neighbors land. It was offered to me if I'd pay the $150 fee for the 2 contracts.Pastures are pretty much gone after 2 bad years. I'm not the one gonna be paying more for beef if we don't all get some relief,I've got a lot full of steers. Only need one for myself. I'll be culling cows in the fall due to lack of feed,just like most everybody else. Tell me it's fair though,that the ones who signed up in the short time that you COULD sign up should be able to cut and I can't. THANKS TREE HUGGERS!

Jack a · Jul 30, 2008

True, it's not fair as far as when to sign up but if not you then the land owner handed over control to gov for payment. BTW I raise my own beef.

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