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Spook

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I really haven't been too concerned about the economy lately, but a couple of things are getting my attention:

Home values continue to slide. Double digit down.

Forclosures still going up.

Home equity loans are dissapearing. A lot of people relied on the "piggy bank" house.

Ford is cutting +12% salary guys. More plant closures and hourly layoffs. GM and Chrysler won't be far behind. Suppliers too.

Energy costs up.

Food costs up.

Wages down.

Unemployment up.

I am 53, and I have never seen it this bleak. Do you guys see any improvement soon?
 
Don't see any improvement. I work 40 hrs a week and raises the past 5 years have not exceeded 3 % and are under 2% most years. The greed is at the top. They keep telling the guys in the trenches how much everything is going up (health care) but the CEO and BOD keep cashing in stock options for tens of millions. There is no way the working man can keep up with the cost considering everything that is affected by higher fuel cost. Read this morning electical rates will rise due to increased natural gas prices. JMO
 
We are heading for a depression and if that happens you better own what you have or you will be in trouble. Food will not be able to be had and fuel well it will not be there either unless you know how to make your own
 
I think we are in for a bumpy ride for a little wile as thing fall into alighnment. But as to your spacific coments.

"Home values continue to slide. Double digit down."
This needed to happen. prices of houses were too high. It was getting to the point that it took one persons complete salary to make a morgage payment. If you purchased at the peak... well you should have seen that coming. prices cant get past what people can afford to pay.
Speculators were driving the prices not real people.

"Forclosures still going up."
Read answer above.

"Home equity loans are dissapearing. A lot of people relied on the "piggy bank" house."

You can still get one if you actually have equity left.



"Ford is cutting +12% salary guys. More plant closures and hourly layoffs. GM and Chrysler won't be far behind. Suppliers too."

American companies sure seem to be good at riding the wave as long as it lasts. But man sure would be nice if they had some planners looking at trends so they could react a little sooner.

"Energy costs up."
Yup this is the one that started it all.
All the yuppies buying over priced houses in the country. Driving 2 suv's to the cities to work. All of a sudden got a hefty $400 a month increase in thier fuel bills.
$400 they didnt have.

"Food costs up."
See fuel costs

"Wages down."
We are in a contract year. This should be fun. I hope I atleast still have ins when its all done.

"Unemployment up."
This is the one silver linning we have. There are soon to be more people retiring than coming into the work force. Social Security is going to take it in the shorts but good workers will be in high demand.

"I am 53, and I have never seen it this bleak. Do you guys see any improvement soon? "

I am only 45 but I can say I have seen it worse than this at least twice before. (73) and (82)
Were much worse. Of course that is just subjective. It might have just been bad for me. :)
 
Yes, thing are tough.. I shut my tool and die shop down. Almost all the business has gone to China. The lowlife companies that get molds built in China actually expect the shops here to fix the junk for Free!!! I just try to pick up a little consulting work, haul some scrap, buy sell and swap. As high as fuel is, I have to have some sure-fire deal going, to even make it worth driving out of the yard..

Things are starting to trickle down... Stores, restaurants, all kinds of businesses are going to feel the crunch.

I am even starting to wonder if money in the bank is safe...
 
In a free market, which what we still are in. What a recession does is realign banks to be responsible. It is too bad that banks make bad choices. High energy costs (at least in the past) made car/trucks makers more fuel eff. engines. And now with high energy costs it makes it tough for us middle class guys.
The Banks are to blame and so are irresponsible people who couldnt afford the home equity loans. Dont shop at Wal-mart and employ Chinamen.
 
This is nothing compared with the great depression........yet. Will it get that bad? Probably not. I remember the hyper-inflation of the Carter years and the difficulty getting ajob when all us boomers hit the job market. Most of us will have to work at something part time after "retiring".
 
I just gotta ask....in 73 you were 10- just how bad did you see it? Or did you hear about it from your folks? 73-76 were the golden years for me- high school! Fast cars, fast girls, slow gas lines- but we never thought we were in the middle of a disaster.
I graduated from college in 81 and went to work in 82- other than only making 14k a year I don't remember any real hardships. Home values were SOARING in 82- I made 30K on my first condo purchase between 82 and 83- and on my 14K salary.
I was born in 58, will be 50 this year, and this is absolutely the worst I have ever seen the economy. It's the poorest I have ever seen work ethic, and it's the poorest I have ever seen personal accountability. We are in $h!t $hape....
 
Pay raises? 40 hour week? what are those? I'm salaried, and make good money- but I have seen zero increase to base in 5 years. If I want a pay increase, I improve sales and reap the benefit of a sales bonus...I work an 80 hour week to do it.
Stock Options? Understand, stock options aren't worth a damn unless the stock is going UP. A stock option awarded to you as a "bonus" at $50 trading price isn't worth a damn if stock is trading at $25...or even $50. I received plenty of bogus"stock option" bonuses from my prior employer-
 
Old, my daddy- who was probably about your age- told me something about owing banks money.
" if you owe a bank 10 grand on a 100k property and can't make the payment-watch out, they're coming to get you, you've got a problem....if you owe them 90k on a 100K property and can't make the payment, THEY'VE got the problem- and they will work with you forever to get just one more dime".
Look at all the foreclosed homes available for half the loan value- man, do the banks have a problem now! I really beleive we are going to see some great deals on refi soon- I don't think banks can afford to keep repoing houses!
 
In Michigan, those wheels are either off or held with one very loose lugnut! Been a rough couple-three years here, and I don't see it improving real fast. Schools are faced with dropping enrollment, there are empty houses for sale on about every street. Loans and mortgages are hard to qualify for. (Banks are afraid of risk.) All kinds of toys - ATVs, boats, campers, snowmobiles, motorcycles, RVs, SUVs, for sale in front yards. Industries closed down, moved to southern states and foreign countries, and their factories reduced to rubble. You can't even come back and reactivate the factories. Yeah, things are tough here. Jennifer's government thinks that education is the way out. We're going to have the best educated unemployed workforce in the country. And still no jobs. Fuel and living costs going up daily. You figure it out. Unfortunately, there is no one segment of the system at fault - there's plenty of blame to go around!
 
Just maybe things would look better for you if you would stop squinting to see what looks like a big hill up a head and start looking at a map to see if you can find a route around what looks like a hill that would be difficult to climb.

Sometime that hill is so much smaller when you get to it because you can not see the gradual rise from that distance.

You might read Proverbs 18:21 and understand how some things cloud your vision.
 
I cannot believe what I'm hearing from you guys. Sound like a bunch of babies. I just had to shut down my business too, go to work for someone else, I'm not crying. The economy goes up and down, and we have to adjust, (and prepare). But the pessimistic attitudes you all have is quite depressing. Many of you I've read much from in the past, mostly about tractors, and had some respect for. OLD, your saying we are heading for a depression is wrong and wrongheaded. We are not even in a recession yet, which is defined as 6 months of negative gross national product growth. We haven't even had one month of negative growth.

You know, unemployment is still under 5%, that's FULL EMPLOYMENT. And as far as the banks go, congress pressured them to make loans to all those high risk borrowers, so put some blame there too. We need to toss about 3/4 of the house and Senate to get us on the right track again.

I think the very high fuel prices have a lot of us down. That's the very thing that put me out of business as I was driving for a living. Those prices wouldn't be where they are if we all hadn't stood by and watched environmental groups pressure our government into stopping us from exploring for and bringing to market our own domestic oil. That's an undisputable fact. It used to be that whenever oil prices started going up we would increase our output, then opec would increase theirs to keep it too cheap for us to continue. We can no longer do that because we can't get at our oil. That's a big deal.

My own grandfather, whom I admire and respect more than anyone, has the same view as many of you. He often says there is just too much money in the world. Well, I understand where he, and many of you, are coming from. We all work very hard for what seems like so little. But I think a lot of that is the leftist media working on us. We see so much of how the other side lives now, Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous and all. But when things are decent, does it bother you then? Always have been and always will be richer and not so. Without rich people investing in new ventures and new businesses there are no new jobs. That's part of the free market, like it or not.

I just really hate to see so many of you fine Americans buying into what the pop culture tells us is important. To me, having enough food to feed the family, a roof over our heads, and lots of love to go around is all that matters. Things will get better, enjoy what we have now. We had a great Memorial Day here, didn't you?

Now let the slamming begin, I can take.

Brian
 
By the auction price reports over at the Deere board things must be doing GREAT ! There was an auction out west on the 26th held by Aumann auctions.
 
Yes, I've seen it as bad or worse before. I'm only 52. For me it was the worst in the early 80's. But I managed to buy into the housing market when it was depressed and actually made some money when it started recovering in the mid 80's. Bought again in the mid 80's and sold again about 90 at only a breakeven. Gas prices then, relative to my salary, were about what they are now. Here it was best in the 90's and early 2000's. Sure things are not great right now. It will take 2 to 4 years for things to recover and us forget about all this but it will pass.

JMO

slim
 
Yes I have seen it worse. The mid 80's when oil prices dropped to about $10 a barrel.

Every problem I see today was brought on ourselves by our greed for the fast pace good life.

We bought houses we could not afford because we were not satisfied with a roof over our head.
We needed every new toy that came out and our credit was good enough so we got them.

Well the chickens have come home to roost so now it is time to pay the piper. We have very little outs this time because we put our wives to work long ago to pay for our lifestyle.

So while the wheels may not be falling off some sectors will suffer. We can no longer afford big SUV's or big fancy houses so some will get layed off.
 
I am driving a Metro. I parked my 4x4 Dodge pickup. I can drive the Geo for a month for what it cost to fill the truck one time.
 
'92 was the worse I've seen in Connecticut. Then again I was just out of college. Unemployment in my valley is currently 5.7%.

It was 10% in 2000.

It was 12% in 1992.

I'm too young to really remember '82, and I was just out of diapers in '73 :)

Hmmmm, isn't that saying the economy goes through some gloomy times every 8 to 10 years?

Get much lower then 5% unemployment, businesses really start to scream they can't find help.

I'm becoming more and more convinced as I read stuff we're simply on a speculative bubble of oil prices. $4 gas will break soon. $2 to $2.50 gas? Sure...because we'll be back to the point the oil supplies are confined by our lack of drilling, and by lack of refining capacity to meet demand (particularly surge demands and seasonal change overs). Plus 25 cents or so that's due to ethanol instead of gasoline being used in the E-10. Maybe even $3 gas because that's the global warming crowd's wet dream, and really wouldn't break the heart of the oil executives either.
 
I'm old enough to remember '82, and '73, (even '63! egad, am I that old?) and I think that you are right about the bubble.

I think there will be some pull back on gas prices, but I don't expect $2 to $2.50 a gallon ever again. I hope that you are right though.
 
What does it matter? The Mayans predicted the end of the world will happen on Dec 21, 2012.

Of course, the Mayans are all dead now.
 

You ought to listen to NPR radio more. They give lots of great stories to compare to.

Like the Chinese workers building a government project who go to work at 7:30AM and get off at midnight - with a half hour break for lunch and another for supper - for really miserable pay.

Or the African guy trying to support his family as a fisherman on Lake Victoria where the water table is dropping and he can barely get his boat through the mud and cattails now.

Or the Indian native in South America who was hired by an oil company to watch a tool shed outpost - for $2/day.

I know - I know - I've seen SO MANY times on this board "well, the USA isn't Africa or China or whatever"...

But my point is, if you take all of the human conditions in the world today as a whole, few Americans have it rough.

And if you take all the human condition that has ever existed in the history of the world - this is as good as it's ever been!

So, no, the wheels aren't coming off. It is just a minor "attitude readjusment" that some folks need to experience.



Just my 2 cents,
Howard
 
You have clouded my simple, naive, uninformed mind. I might never be the same. I will have to forever fight the negative thoughts that come at me from all angles when reading the boards.
 
What really scared me listening to a NPR story last week Howard was the Chinese couple that explained, "We're poor because we're uneducated. It's not the government's fault, it's just what it is."

They were having a tough row to hoe -- husband had a trucking business, but lost his truck in an accident and they didn't have enough insurance to recover the business. Lost their home. Husband and wife were living in a shack, both back working as laborers. And much of their income was paying for their kid to attend private school so she would have better opportunities then they did.
 
In this GREAT USA over the years we have all had sunny days and all have had storms but it's still the best there ever was or will be !!!!! I've been on the bottom and broke, I've been on top with money in my pocket, I've been in the middle just getting by. I found out the ONLY way to move forward is to look ahead, make needed changes and keep on going !!!!! If all we do is sit, wine, cry in our beer, point fingers, and don't keep moving guess where we are going to be in the future !!!!! I'm in such bad condition because of ?????? and it's not going to get better because of ??????? CRY, WINE, what am I going to do, oh poor me, me oh my, I just can't understand why they are doing this to me !!!!!! Come on people, wake up, thank God your still alive, pick yourselves up, dust yourself off, pick up the pieces and MOVE ON !!!!!! It's not what you have, have had, or don't have that makes life, it's who you are and who we as a country are !!!!! You want to sit and wine, cry, and pick at me or whatever go for it but as for me I'm going forward and moving on !!!!
 

Hey Matt -

Yep! That was also a very good story.

I couldn't help thinking during that one about my roommate at the University of Texas - he was from Hong Kong and his parents were helping him get through school.

He worked as hard at his education as the folks in the story you mentioned worked at their trucking job. He put in an average of 14 hours per day studying for the two years I was down there.

He's now a research scientist with Bell Laboratories.

One of my other roommates (also from China) came bursting into our room at 4:00AM one night whooping and hollering - he had found a mistake in a 40 page mathematical proof in his professors' text book. He came back the next day like he was king of the world - said he showed it to his professor and his prof said - "this book has been in publication for 15 years and no one has ever found error!".

China is already a huge force - but what they are now would be nothing compared to if a substantial percentage of their population had a good education and the opportunity to put it to work!

Some folks think a 40 hour work week ought to make them a really cushy living.

Some folks have that many hours in by Wednesday lunch and the 40-hour per week crowd is wondering why they are getting bypassed...

Howard
 
What makes things so bad this time is we have nobody in our corner to help working people.Somebody said left wing media,there is no media,its just cheerleaders for big corporations.5% unemployment,is really 15 to 20% unemployment,that has to get to 28% to be like the depression,but it gets closer every day.Before lots of people didnt own their house,and you could make enough money to pay for your necessities.This time its gas or eat.
This is turning into a huge disaster for whoever thought this was the thing to do.I already see where people are calling for a general strike,dont buy anything,dont pay any bills,dont do anything until things get better.Sure lots of people wont go along,but the worse it gets,the more that will.
Lots of lies being told.UNemployment is one of the biggest.They dont count people that quit looking for a job,so who knows really what it is.Its always double or triple of what they say.Inflation is probably past 10%,the total shock of high energy prices have not hit yet.Food is going to go higher,and if more stupid decisions are made towards the end of the year like attack of Iran,oil is going to 200 dollars a barrel or higher.Politicians need to stop the speculators from screwing up oil and commodities markets,but stupid people who say they shouldnt put controls on the market have them afraid to do it in an election year.Yeah this bunch of people running the government are using every advantage they can to get rid of small business,and ruin the economy.The way its being done has to be planned,but the ones doing it are too dumb to have planned it,somebody behind the scenes,like from other countries with big money is doing this,using these criminals to ruin our country.
 
Are the wheels coming off? Nope. I still see just as many big trucks and SUVs used to commute to work with one person in the driver's seat... along with jet boats and jet skis on the Colorado River, driving back and forth for the sake of driving back and forth - no real purpose whatsoever. Beyond that, there are the toybox campers loaded with racing four-wheelers and dirt bikes to go out in the middle of the desert and play. Again, burning fuel for the sake of burning fuel really.

Also, at the grocery store or gas stations I hear people constantly complaining about the price of fuel, yet they have money for a carton of smokes and a case of beer (or three!). One day a guy was complaining and I asked if his case of beer was necessary - he got pretty angry real quick!

Obviously we are getting to a point where many of us have to choose between "wants" and "needs." I haven't gone to a movie since Christmas, and before that I can't remember how long it was. We used to purchase a DVD almost once a week, I think we've purchased one in the last three months now. We used to go for drives to see the scenery and kill some time on weekends, don't do that anymore, period.

We have had to adjust our lifestyle, and are still living comfortably enough for the occasional "splurge" but it sure doesn't amount to what it was a year ago!

I agree with the statement that the chickens have come home to roost and it's time for people who foolishly over-extended their credit to pay the price.
 
Old Puller, Howard, you make very good points. There are many people in this world who will work their butts off to improve their (and their children's) lot in life. That is the way it was for our forefathers who built this country. The last 50 years have been the best overall in the USA. I think, as a society, we have just gotten soft, expect a lot to be handed to us on a silver platter and complain about those in the world who are trying to raise their standard of living through hard work.

My standard of living is certainly worse that it was 10 years ago. But them's the breaks. I now carpool with my wife to work, drive a car with well over 100k miles on it, don't go out to dinner like we used to, watch our savings erode and live like my wife and/or I could lose our job on any given day. Guess what? I'm just as happy as I've ever been. I've got 3 good kids who are succesful in their education and careers (so far) and (most importantly) we're all in pretty good health. Things could be much worse and whatever happens with the economy, we'll just deal with how it affects us personally the best we can.
 
The company I work for gives our CEO and Board of Directors stock options 2 or 3 times a year. They let them buy it for under half the selling price and they buy and sell the same day. They make millions. Profitability or productivity isn't even an issue when you can buy it for $40 a share and sell it for $93 a share within an hour.
 
I guess if I worked for a defense contractor I might be a little more optimistic. You are basically a government employee.
 
Your are young we are still in full employment, wait till it gets so bad that 200 people show up for a low wage job and the guy won't hire you because you made to much on your last job.

So far we are in a small set back if thing improve by winter we should be Ok.

Most of the fore closers are do to greedy people buying more than they can afford. High housing prices are do to the shortage of housing caused by idiot who think that you should only build within the city limits.

Gas prices are about what they should be according to inflation maybe a little higher now. we had it pretty good for a long time on cheap gas. I paid 35 cents a gallon back when I was making $2.50 an hour that would be two and half hours to fill up my big dodge 22 gallon tank 15 MPG.

Back then we all car pooled it was the only way to get to work. Now no one car pools look at at that empty lane for car poolers. the only car that could get 30 MPG was the VW and no one wanted them.

Walt
 
I guess what got my attention was a article about how the decline in home values is affecting different industries. I didn't know that in some states ( California, Florida ) that 30% of car sales are done with home equity loans. Well, gotta go do some work.
 
>5% unemployment,is really 15 to 20%
>unemployment,

Baloney.

Here's how the government figures out unemployment:
--People with jobs are employed.
--People who are jobless, looking for jobs, and available for work are unemployed.
--People who are neither employed nor unemployed are not in the labor force.

If you're not looking for work, you're not unemployed. You're retired, a housewife, independently wealthy, or lazy.

I've seen over 10% unemployment in my area. We're no where near that mark. So the 5% matches the reality test to me.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm
 
There is still a small subset of "unemployed" who probably shouldn't be considered as such. The government lumps everybody who his receiving unemployment insurance as "unemployed". It's possible (I've known people who've done it) to receive unemployment and be working full time as a business owner. Feller gets laid off and starts a business doing freelance work, or takes his "side job" and makes it his "main job". In any case, it would artificially inflate, rather than deflate the unemployment numbers.
 
Conspiracy! Conspiracy!! Always looking for someone else to blame, aren't you trucker? Just pitiful. Go cry in the corner, no one here to feel sorry for you.
 
(quoted from post at 19:58:31 05/28/08) I really haven't been too concerned about the economy lately, but a couple of things are getting my attention:

Home values continue to slide. Double digit down.

Forclosures still going up.

Home equity loans are dissapearing. A lot of people relied on the "piggy bank" house.

Ford is cutting +12% salary guys. More plant closures and hourly layoffs. GM and Chrysler won't be far behind. Suppliers too.

Energy costs up.

Food costs up.

Wages down.

Unemployment up.

I am 53, and I have never seen it this bleak. Do you guys see any improvement soon?
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In 1975 when I graduated from High school You could not get a job an McDonald's. I know I tried and was told that the only applications they were taking were from men with children. Shortly after Jimmy Carter had interest rates up to 18%+. This was after the oil embargo gas went fro $0.30 to $1 gallon in a few short months. Its been MUCH worse people are spoiled.
 
I'm not ready to give up my life style for a bunch of F'n crooks, as simple as it is and as broke as I am. I've written congress people and whomever about the speculators, none of the news organizations even pick it up till the gov finally comes out and says them been investigating speculators since December. The news has been too busy trying to run the prices up. What was with the speculator the purposely manipulated the prices so he could be the first one to own or have traded $100 a barrel oil. If there's regulators over the speculators there's one that bragged about breaking the law and it was all over the news. I think they should line up a bunch of the mortgage people too, for prison
 
If you have a retirement account you are most likely a speculator. It makes me so mad I could spit nails, When the cycle turns and the speculators get burned the average Joe is going to get it again. Everyone wants a good return on your investment but these people have us so strapped that its hard to live day to day let alone to be putting money aside for the future.
 
I understand your pain, but you weren't making that before and I think you're invested at a loss. As a matter of fact I think 75%+ are invested at a loss. Here's my point, I don't thing it averages out to your favor, all the increase in fuel, food, and water(utility) prices or what's sill to come. You're just getting a discount. Then my personal thing is, I don't like getting money off the backs of poor people.
 
I had my family reunion this past weekend. Many people there.

NOBODY was out of a job.
NOBODY was losing their house.
NOBODY sat around whining and crying like this bunch on here.

Maybe that's the difference. When times change, you must change. Or continue to do the same thing and then whine because the world doesn't change to meet your needs.
 
Spook: I"m also 53 and the 74 oil embargo along with
Carter"s high interest rates squeezed alot of people. That period from 1974-1984 was pretty tough for alot of people. Just when this country was down and out Reagan comes on the scene and helps restore hope to this country. That"s what a good leader does. I hope we have one waiting in the wings but I"d be very surprised if it was one of the three running. I do agree with other posts that speculators are partly to blame for high oil prices. If I understood what the guy testified to Congress traders buy very large amounts of oil which drives the price up more in a tight market buy taking more oil out of supply.
 

IndianaRed has said it exactly right. Good gosh - look around you at all the people who are working! Virtually everyone who wants a job can find one. Of course not everyone has the exact job they want - but when was it otherwise?

Yes, gas costs more than it used to but once again IndianaRed got it right- look toward the weenies who refuse to let us drill in our own country, refuse to let us build refinery capacity and refuse to let us build safe nuclear or clean coal. At the end of the day the enrionmental alarmists are anti-human and they have done a good job of bringing misery onto all of us from the energy standpoint. I also agree about throwing out the majority of the Congress.
 
I agree with you tlak.Who in their right mind thinks its good to play stock speculater while the country suffers,not to mention a couple of billion people that face starvation over it?Some of these people on here need to go live in Haiti and eat dirt awhile.Especially the ones who are talking about whining.I wish we could have a country where you apologists could live under the rule of your side you are so proud of,and the rest of us live in the real United States of America that we worked for.What retarded world do you live in that you think in any form this is the way things are supposed to work?At the rate things are going,if you ever do retire,whatever you save will be worthless.If you manage to save some money,it wont be there when you retire,inflation will eat it up.You rocket scientists go on and apologise for this bunch of crooks,and accept,and dont whine when you retire and dont have any money you worked your whole life for.You all are the same people that would rather fight somebody telling you the truth than do something to improve your condition.So you are lucky you arent suffering,yet,but when you do it will make whining look bad,you will be in a screaming hair pulling tantrum.
 
You wont get anywhere trying that with me.I know whats going on,you think you do.Sometime you might remember what I said and see I was right.The smartest thing for you to do is lay off of me.A person like you is brought up to be what you are.I said I can see why you are what you are,but I never could understand it.Its like you should know better,but you just dont.Its obvious that you are a"conservative nnalert".Thats an oxymoron if ever there was one.These people are niether "conservative"nor nnalert.They are owned by the military/industrial complex,a lot of whom are dual citizens American/Israeli.Never take what I say as gospel I want you to check it out.If you attack me and dont check it out for yourself you are not getting anywhere.Tell me what I have posted that you read that was a lie?Nothing.On the other hand one of your big ones is the "abundant media"has not existed since the early nineties.It started falling in 1988 when Rush Limbaugh got on talk radio.There is no media thats not corporate biased now.Its been bought up by big corporations and you will only get the truth by accident.You can find out more from Canadian news service than any of the ones we have in our country.Just what goes through your nnalert head when you say cry in your corner?I have seen bad ones on here but you need a psychiatrist I am fairly sure.
Now maybe you arent a nnalert,I never heard you say you were.However you are guilty by the things you are saying of being apologetic for crooks.The day that somebody that calls themselves an American,and goes along with a scheme that has people eating dirt,and apologises for them,and then tries to cut me down for pointing it out,well you better be able to lie like that to your maker when you go.Its not going to go over any better here than it will there either.Even the blowhards that talk big,are just as wrong as you are.So you are not any better than anybody else that posts on here,especially not me.All the rest of you blowhards that like to run your mouth,what do you have to say now?Defend your crooks,or face the facts.If you voted for these crooks you need to get something done about it today,or do you have enough guts to write them a letter?
 
The more I think about this the madder it makes me.The 65% of us that arent "conservative nnalert"should really force those of you that are to fix this mess.This is the sorriest excuse for people running this country that Ive ever seen,and the crop of "conservatives"gets dumber every minute.Its like one of those old movies from the 80s where this college kid is getting paddled and he says"thank you sir may I have another"every time they hit him.Thats just what you kooks sound like!You need the attitude adjustment,and if you think you are going to shout me down,not going to happen.
 
You said, "You wont get anywhere trying that with me.I know whats going on,you think you do."

What if I'm the one that knows what's going on, and you just think you do?

The funny thing is that you say I need a head doctor, and yet you're the one that beleieves in black helicopters and all thses conspiracies.

You're scary kooky.
 
The only people who are strapped for cash are those spending more than what they make.

Families with 3-6 kids used to be raised in a three bedroom house with one bathroom. One car in the driveway, a garden and Mom stayed at home. Takeout meals and restaurant meals were a luxury for special occasions.
There was money put away and saved from each paycheque. No credit cards or debt except the house mortgage.
Now we "Have to Have" a bedroom/bathroom/LCD screen TV for every child. Two 4X4's in the driveway, no food reserves for more than a week preserved and stored in the basement or freezer.A boat, ATV and snowmobile is "essential" too. So are the vacations via air travel too.So is the $1000+ BBQ, pool and or hot tub.
The paycheque is gone and back account into overdraft within two days.
Why is status so important?
What is Status? Status is spending money you don't have on things you don't need to impress people you don't like.

Here's another quote that explains the problem as well as any.
Quote"tlak

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I'm not ready to give up my life style for a bunch of F'n crooks, as simple as it is and as broke as I am".

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Just one last reply to you.After you read what I wrote,then tried to cut me down,did you think you had won?Besides denying the fact that you are wrong,and supporting a bunch of crooks,and people are starving to death from it,what else do you need to make yourself look like a fool from?Do yourself and the rest of us a favor and go see a shrink.All the rest of you that try and justify this crap need to go with him.Defending destroying the economy,so you can invest in commodities futures,and make money off of people suffering from high gas prices,and higher food prices,and causing the poorest people to starve to death.You should be ashamed of yourselves,and how can you think you are allowed to get away with it?
 
All this complaining when fuel goes up to 1/2 the price the rest of the world pays?
Where was all the complaining or rejoicing when the price of LCD watches, CD's, DVD's, VCR's. microwaves, TV's, computers, tools etc came down?
Food is still a bargain at the store and there is lots of it. It still seems cheap enough for people to drive to restaurants for a meal. There's extra fuel costs and inflated food s costs for you where rich people are stealing you money. Paying $2.00+ for a cup of coffee you could brew at home for 10 cents.
The price of fuel isn't bothering people who can't waddle their lard butts to the restaurant. They idle the engine and ride the brakes for several minutes in the drive through more than once daily.
Even vehicles comparing what I paid for 21 years ago compared to now. The price hasn't went up and the modern cars have anti-lock, airbags etc.
Most people are broke because they are paying interest. The economy would be fine if people saved and paid for their purchases. Using borrowed money only weakens/de-values the dollar. Thus making inflation raise prices.
Want to see price gouging and markup yet not here people complain. Compare farm price for food to grocery store or restaurant prices. Nobody is forcing you to go into that restaurant. Compare the markup on food to the markup on crude oil to the gas pump. Take away the government taxes and the margin is very narrow.
Crooks? Maybe you are a crook because you would like to make a fat profit hauling truck loads of product? You are in business to make as much $$$ as possible, are you not?
 
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