A better, more sensible way to tax road use.

Instead of by the gallon of fuel......

CHARGE BY THE MILE

They will just do both.

So, now the elephant in the room becomes visible...

There seems to be no equitable way to fairly collect road use taxes. At this point, electric cars are getting away
paying a minimum of road taxes. At the same time, road taxes by the mile unfairly tax smaller (more fuel efficient)
cars by applying the same tax rate to a big heavy SUV as to a smart car. That would somewhat bring electric
vehicles into a more equitable tax, but would unfairly penalize economy cars.

I would think that there should be a combination of methods based on how vehicles are powered. That might leave
hybrids out in the cold so to speak. But, it seems to me more fair than how it is now.

I say increase the taxes on vehicles that damage
the roads the most.

On local news a county commissioner talked about
repaving roads and farm equipment tearing up the
road. One farmer drove a heavy trackhoe on the
road. Lawyers are going after the farmer.
Another farmer's plow dug up the road.

I am sure the states would want and should use the data in a way to charge a different rate for each type of vehicle.
Commercial big rigs could be made to pay more per mile.
And even be liable to paying road tax in the states the traverse even if they buy no fuel in the state.

There can be a myriad of rates applied using the miles driven as one component of how the tax could be figured.

IFTA is the method that feul tax is
distributed to the states in which, as you
call them Big Rigs pay the tax per state
of use even if they purchase no feul.
Licence fees are distributed with Pro-rate
licensing. My biggest gripe is the
millions of dollars spent on bike paths,
in which they carry no plate nor insurance
and then think they own the dang road. As
far those that do more harm pay more,
we'll that's been going on for years
through a permitting system. In one case I
remember the company had to pay $3,000.00 per
mile for the permit in ND., and that was just the state fees. Counties have followed suit to recover for damages.

I think it $ucks. Just another big brother ploy. I can
see all the big wigs getting all excited about the data
they can sell and make even more money. Keep the
current gas tax and put a tax on the charging stations.
This can be done on commercial chargers and home
chargers.

Many states already charge a higher registration rate each year for electric vehicles in order to make up the difference in gas taxes not collected.

For the trucks and fuel tax if you never had to pay it and figure it you would be surprised at how much they pay and how it works. then you have a hut tax and prorperty tax on them. fuel tax is based on the miles driven in each state along with the amount of fuel purchased. Then the states you don't buy fuel in you pay the full shot of fuel tax. there is an over purchase credit for each state except for a few like OR. Which you pay fuel tax whether you buy fuel or not. Then in states like PA,IL,MI WI,NC,FL all have high fuel taxes and places like IN,SC,WY,GA,have low fuel taxes. so if you buy enough fuel to cover more than the miles in the low fuel tax states you can actually still not pay any additional tax at the end of the Quarter. Fuel tax is paid at the pump on all states pretty much. So if you drive 500 miles in IL and only 200 in GA while buying 800 miles of fuel in IL you will get credit for IL fuel that can exceed the cost of fuel tax in GA sort of a right minus wrong deal on the quarterly tax forms. As for the hut tax that has it's caveat also. States like NY you pay a hut tax based on the miles you run in that state to the state. IF you run the Toll road or NY Thruway then it is reduced by half on it. And the full rate charged on the other miles. There is a property tax on the equipment based on the value and on the miles run in that state. Those states are KS,KY,NM,AR. So if you drive a new 180,000 dollar truck it pays more than a 40,000 dollar truck based on the same miles in that state. And Now it is suggested that the trucks should pay more. Then there is the 2290 form which is federal hut. It is 550for 80,000 LBS and is adjusted by weight class up to the 160,000 that can be hauled in MI. There are several states that have heavier weight limits on other highways in their states. MI,NY,WY,ND,SD,ID,WA,OR,and a few others I can't remember now. In MI while we can haul 160,00 we are allowed only 13,000 per axle for every axle more than a tandem set closer than 9feet. SO a Tandem is 32,000 after the first set then 39,00 for 3 and 52,000 for 4 and so on to 11 total axles. with the front axle basd on the width of the tire so if you havone of the wide 18-22.5 tires then you can have the 18,000 on the steer while a 1100-22.5 would be allowed about 14-15,000 based again on tire tread width, 750 PSI per inch of tire width so 750x11inchesx2 for both front tires. And you wonder why trucks can't keep things straight. IT took me most of my driving time to learn this much then get in to bridge formulas and I would bury most folks trying to keep that straight including myself. And then with over size you can get permits for more weight per axle on trucks to haul over weight loads like Some of the really big loads you see on the road. Anybody that wants to talk more about all this fuel tax and road tax can call me 989 413 5684. I'll try to explain it better or to my best ability. Now fuel taxes have been changed in MI for diesel fuel to a percentage of price and some other extra crap to keep track of. And you guys want to fool around with this good luck in being fair. And with the by the mile how are you going to monitor that by the honor system HAHAHA.

So dont plug it in. Then you dont get taxed.

Logic chips are easy to program, if there are some interlocks $150 can get you a modified chip on the black market.

Will be like red diesel in a pickup.......

Paul

In part of my many occupations, I worked
for the IL Dept. of Transportation. They
had plenty of money for roads. The problem
was the crooked politicians used it to
place relatives and people they owed
favors to in high paying jobs. They also
maneuvered money around, illegally taking
it from the road fund for other pet
projects. Although Illinois is the worst
for corruption, your state most likely has
some of the same going on, especially if
one party dominates.

You guys got it easy today with IFTA.
If you buy all your fuel in Louisiana and travel half the miles in Louisiana and half the miles in Mississippi you will
have a excess of tax paid to Louisiana and no tax paid to Mississippi. At the end of the year Louisiana send Mississippi a
check of the excess so you owe Mississippi nothing.

Back in the day when we had a whole door full of fuel stickers for each state (before IFTA) you better keep track of miles
in each state and buy the gallons you needed in each state. States did not send excess tax paid to another state to cover
the tax in that state.
Mississippi use to have a red and a green sticker.
Green was bonded and you settled up your tax bill at the end of the year.
Red was not bonded and you settled up your tax bill before you were allowed to leave the state in either a recite where you
bought fuel or cash money for every mile traveled in the state to cover the tax.
Lots of guys were caught going around the scales trying to avoid paying the tax for miles driven in the state.

John I think your off just a little there The over purchase credit you speak of is not done yearly but quarterly. I paid and filed my own fuel tax for 15 years as a motor carrier. Yes the old Bingo card was a much more complicated system and was a bit more involved. Need fuel stickers for each state you would run in. The IFTA is all miles kept track of then filed with your home IFTA state then dispersed out by the state. WY is still not a member or part of IFTA I don't remember all the details but they would look to see if you had them on your single state when you entered the port of entry. If not then you had to buy a permit for the tax. The only way your state would send money to a state you didn't buy fuel in was if you had over purchase credit from other states to cover the tax in another state. Then you have states like IN,VA and a couple others that had a fuel surcharge that you paid whether you bought fuel or not. IN used to be a .16 fuel tax and a .11 surcharge so IL fuel would cover your fuel tax and surcharge if you bought enough fuel to cover the miles plus. IL was a .29 or more fuel tax at the time. WI and PA were higher yet. More like in the .35-.40 range. It was a game that had to be played for the tax control as you drove. By the mile for cars would suck since most people would lie about the miles and even if they chcked a few cars they would only pinch about a half percent of the public and the rest would continue on as usual.

Caterpillar guy said: "By the mile for cars would suck since most people would lie about the miles and even if they chcked a few cars they would only pinch about a half percent of the public and the rest would continue on as usual."

Your wrong.
Evidently you are a Classic View user.

I replied to your first post but you must have missed it.

Nobody would be reporting miles, it would be downloaded/sent automatically via wireless means.

This post was edited by DoubleO7 on 06/26/2023 at 07:09 am.

DoubleO7
caterpillar guy is replying to me.
We are off on a side tracked discussion about IFTA and the old way of reporting truck fuel tax per state.
Has nothing to do with your original post.

i fixed my post by quoting the last sentence in his post.
Which is the same wrong in his first post.

So dont plug it in. Then you dont get taxed.

Yes, that would work.
If your the type that drives around with no valid plates, no insurance and no valid drivers license, etc.

Can you clarify one little point? With the nationwide
adoption of this device, does that mean that the
federal tax will be removed from the pump? So that
would make gas 50c +- less per gallon?

(quoted from post at 15:36:23 06/25/23) I think it $ucks. Just another big brother ploy. I can
see all the big wigs getting all excited about the data
they can sell and make even more money. Keep the
current gas tax and put a tax on the charging stations.
This can be done on commercial chargers and home
chargers.

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This. And tax the chargers a great deal extra to pay for the electrical infrastructure these new loads on the system requires.

Big Bro does not need to know how many miles I drive or where I go.

And, no, I don't have a phone or a GPS that he can follow anyway.