Is this about right?

NDIHC

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I see IH, Farmall, Case and other tractors for sale all the time..most dont bring half of what it costs to restore them. I saw this MH for sale. Looks real.nice, visually. No description of work done listed in the ad. Any opinions on the value of a 444 in this condition?
https://www.bismanonline.com/massey_harris_444_tractor_restored
Just asking, have no connection to ad or website.
 
That's what I was thinking. But I'm not up
on MH prices. Maybe the hi-lo range is
sought after? I guess I don't even know if
they have live pto or hydraulics. Need to
research a bit.
 
Another vote for, sounds a little high to me. But I likewise am not a MH guy. So might be a diamond in the rough though. I don't know.

You know, there was a time when there use to be sort of a divide along about 1940ish. Wasn't a whole lot of interest in pre-1940 stuff. But stuff built after say, 1940, stuff would bring descent money. But that divide that use to be around 1940, has jumped up to about 1955 or 60 or so. Interest level of pre-1955 stuff has been hit with a sizeable decline.

When there is not much interest in it to begin with on the buyers market, whether it is restored or not doesn't make much difference. Restored just means more dollars down the drain. It's kind of sad, but just about all pre 1955 stuff has been hit by this. In my area, 1940's tractors (basically any kind of them), bring about half of what they use to. The same M Farmall that would easily bring 2 grand 15 years ago, will sell for around a grand now. And it's basically like that with any make or model from that era around here.
You about got to jump up to 1960 and after to see a different story.
 
Sadly, I see it every day. I work along a main street that sees a lot of traffic going to the two local scrap yards. See a lot of pre later 50s tractors going. On our local sales website that I took this ad from, there are Ms, U Minnie Mos, W6 etc listed in the tractor section and they can't get a thousand to $1,200 for them, so to the scrap yard they go. And these aren't salvage yards. They won't let you buy anything from them.
 
As with just about everything these days the price of that tractor is high in my opinion. It does look good in the pictures and if it runs as good as it looks I would agree with the others who have commented in that 4000 dollar range. There where quite a few of them made. I bought a group of items from a family 3 years ago and in that group was a 44 Massey Harris. I valued it at the time at around 2000 to 2500.
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Got a nice MH that looks nice, cheap, but to be real honest, the engine is locked up tighter than a barrel. Come get it.
 
I hear ya. Sounds like it's happening all over.

Where I live, none of the young farmers (anyone under 60 that is, LOL) want anything to do with an antique tractor. An old tractor to them (as in one they might still have an interest in), would perhaps be one from the 60's. Maybe not even one of them if they don't want anything old around.

It's like it's 'un-cool' to have anything old around. Everything has got to be as new as possible to be a cool cat. And that's just thier mindset and attitude. Anything not relatively new and used frequently, is just taking up shed space in thier mind. No need to have it around.

I kind of don't understand it. I know most of the young farmers in my area have dad's and grandpa's with lots of money. And maybe that explains the new everything. But it just seems like for them, it's either new everything or they'll do something else other than farming. Like, it's more of a gots to be that way, instead of a just nice if it is type of thing. Like as in, they not doing it if it's not that way.

Maybe things will change when hard times hit again. And that might not be to far off. Interest rates are creeping upwards, and it looks like 4 dollar corn is on its way back for new crop. Cattle are good right now. But that entails work. Something the young folks seem to be allergic to. They'd rather tear up thier pastures and have a bunch acres of farm ground. Thats kind of been the way of it around here anyways.

I know you can't just take 1940's equipment, and farm modern day with it. But gosh, it's just sad to basically see zero interest in it. Not even as a collector piece, conversation piece, yard art, heritage, history, or something. But most young guys have no interest in it at all. Alot of it being liquidated with nobody to buy it up. In many cases, it's being liquidated by the same young guys that have no interest in buying it. As in, getting rid of dad and grandpa's stuff that they don't want to have around anymore.

It just is what it is I guess.
 
hi lo in 444 is just gears no moving power shift. hydraulics are ok. 3 point is ok too. i owned 1 n was second owner. it was a stout tractor but lacked power steering. rebuilt steering and new king pins bushings and thrust washers still hard steering. only reason i traded it off
 
Probably has something to do with the way they are making new tractors today with all the electronics. I would never purchase a new tractor.
 
444's were only made for about two years, so there aren't that many out there. They're worth more than a 44, for sure, and a standard is worth more than row crop. You see about 100 Farmall Ms, and 10 Massey 44s, for every 444 around here.

Bring it here to Western NY and it would sell in a minute at $6500.

It would have sold here for that much 5 years ago.

This post was edited by BarnyardEngineering on 05/16/2023 at 05:09 am.
 
(quoted from post at 23:10:18 05/15/23) I hear ya. Sounds like it's happening all over.

Where I live, none of the young farmers (anyone under 60 that is, LOL) want anything to do with an antique tractor. An old tractor to them (as in one they might still have an interest in), would perhaps be one from the 60's. Maybe not even one of them if they don't want anything old around.

It's like it's 'un-cool' to have anything old around. Everything has got to be as new as possible to be a cool cat. And that's just thier mindset and attitude. Anything not relatively new and used frequently, is just taking up shed space in thier mind. No need to have it around.

I kind of don't understand it. I know most of the young farmers in my area have dad's and grandpa's with lots of money. And maybe that explains the new everything. But it just seems like for them, it's either new everything or they'll do something else other than farming. Like, it's more of a gots to be that way, instead of a just nice if it is type of thing. Like as in, they not doing it if it's not that way.

Maybe things will change when hard times hit again. And that might not be to far off. Interest rates are creeping upwards, and it looks like 4 dollar corn is on its way back for new crop. Cattle are good right now. But that entails work. Something the young folks seem to be allergic to. They'd rather tear up thier pastures and have a bunch acres of farm ground. Thats kind of been the way of it around here anyways.

I know you can't just take 1940's equipment, and farm modern day with it. But gosh, it's just sad to basically see zero interest in it. Not even as a collector piece, conversation piece, yard art, heritage, history, or something. But most young guys have no interest in it at all. Alot of it being liquidated with nobody to buy it up. In many cases, it's being liquidated by the same young guys that have no interest in buying it. As in, getting rid of dad and grandpa's stuff that they don't want to have around anymore.

It just is what it is I guess.


Heck, I need to get busy with kids my age. Maybe I could get a few more interested. I can't decide if it it makes me mad or sad or both to see people taking no interest in the old equipment. I trust old equipment way farther than new. I can understand old equipment but it would take me a a few months to figure out the way the modern car engines work with all of that stupid computer junk....
 
Price might be high, but for the person that wants a 444 std, you cant rebuild a junker for that. I would want to see it work before I wrote the check though.
 

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