Massey Ferguson TEA20 No Spark

mutchie

New User
Hi, hopefully, can point me in the right direction.
Massey Ferguson. 12 Volt Positive Earth.
Have replaced plugs, points, condenser, and plug leads.
I have power at the points with a test light when the points open.
The timing has been set through the flywheel hole and rotor on Number One.
Crank it over and no spark at the plus.
Any ideas please?
 
Timing must be set with #1 piston on the COMPRESSION stroke! The timing mark appears in the window o the exhaust
stroke also so make sure you are on the compression stroke. Is the coil good? With the key on and the points open you
should measure battery voltage at the coil side of the points. Pull the wire from the coil high tension lead at the
distributor out of the distributor cap, hold it near a good ground and with the key on, crank the engine. Do you see a
spark when you do this? If you have battery voltage at the coil end of the points with the points open and you do not
get a spark at the high tension coil when you crank the engine, the high tension side of the coil is bad. Replace the
coil.
 
(quoted from post at 19:46:49 05/07/23) Timing must be set with #1 piston on the COMPRESSION stroke! The timing mark appears in the window o the exhaust
stroke also so make sure you are on the compression stroke. Is the coil good? With the key on and the points open you
should measure battery voltage at the coil side of the points. Pull the wire from the coil high tension lead at the
distributor out of the distributor cap, hold it near a good ground and with the key on, crank the engine. Do you see a
spark when you do this? If you have battery voltage at the coil end of the points with the points open and you do not
get a spark at the high tension coil when you crank the engine, the high tension side of the coil is bad. Replace the
coil.
Thanks for that I will get back to you. Cheers.
 
I have done the tests as outlined.
Looks like the coil as no spark came from the coil lead when cranking it over.
 
Me again. I did the test wrong. The spark from the coil to the earth is full on. Now this begs the question why am I getting no spark to the plugs? I am stuffed if I know.
 
The problems from that point are limited. Outside of a
damaged rotor or cap, the damage present may also
be in the form of cracking. The rotor may be incorrectl
for the application and not timed correctly to transfer
the spark, compare it to the old one. Moisture is one of
the more common problems check closely for this.
There is also a phenomena called ..carbon tracking..
where during use the environment in the distributor
cap collects carbon and this forms a fine trail inside
the cap that can form in a line down to the mating face
of the metal distributor base. The spark then follows
that trail to ground. Look closely, the use of a
magnifying glass would not be out of the question. The
wires themselves could also not conduct the spark
properly. Did the wires come made to the proper
length? If they were cut to fit the end of the wire needs
about a 1/2 of insulation stripped away leaving the
core conductor. Then the conductor need folded back
over the insulation then the terminal end needs
crimped over the top of the folded conductor.
I would suggest now that you confirmed spark at the
coil wire check it at the plugs again. It could be that
there is an intermittent problem in your ignition and the
spark comes and goes. The best way is to put a wire
on a plug and place the plug against some metal part
of the block and crank it looking for spark. Give a
description of how you checked for spark at the plugs.
What do the plugs look like? Do they still look like new?
Has the tractor attempted to run at all since the new
plugs were put in? If the plugs are black they are what I
call rich fouled. They will need cleaned with spray carb
cleaner, a wire brush then a blast of compressed air.

I was ready to post to add that the other poster that
gave you the testing info left out a very important
component of a coil and point type ignition system
test. You confirmed it is working by testing for spark at
the high tension coil wire. Before condemning a coil his
test should have included that when the points are
closed there should be no indication of power on the
terminal that comes out of the distributor. The points
when closed or contacting should ground or connect it
to earth as you like to say. So when working correctly
the distributor terminal should flash or blink a test light
on and off with its lead connected to earth and the test
probe on the terminal when the ignition is on and
working correctly and you are cranking the engine.
I am going to give you a very thorough test process for
a points ignition system. It was put together by a very
knowledgeable poster here on YT posting under the
handle John T. Good luck!
John T ignition troubleshooting guide
 
timing is important when starting. no matter where its timed if
distributer ,coil and componets are right it will spark. before you
rip everything apart i must ask is the rotor turning when you
crank it over? guy brought me a tractor that suddenly quit . no
spark but he would open points with screw driver hot spark. i
looked n sheared distributer drive key
 
(quoted from post at 02:39:55 05/08/23) timing is important when starting. no matter where its timed if
distributer ,coil and componets are right it will spark. before you
rip everything apart i must ask is the rotor turning when you
crank it over? guy brought me a tractor that suddenly quit . no
spark but he would open points with screw driver hot spark. i
looked n sheared distributer drive key
I will check that out tomorrow. Thanks for the heads up.
Cheers
 
The spark from the coil to the earth is full on. Now this begs the question why am I
getting no spark to the plugs

The coils low side output (NOT from ign switch) connects to the distributors points
so as the engine is slowly cranked with ignition on a test lamp should flash ON when
points are open but go OFF when closed. If its ALWAYS on the points arent closing or
are bad or a wire is missing from coil to distributor

John T
John Ts Ignition
 
Just for information, a TEA20 is NOT a Massey Ferguson. It is a Ferguson built before Massey Harris and Ferguson merged. That could be helpful information when looking for parts.
 
Looks like the coil as no spark came from the coil lead when cranking it over.

Coils do go bad, more often it's a points, condensor, cap or rotor problem DRATS lol

John T
 
Ok. ReCap:
Replaced points, condenser, Roter, plugs, and plug leads.
Set gaps and carried the timing with the number one cylinder at TDC Via the hole in the flywheel.
The distributor shaft is turning when starting it.
Have the power to the coil. From coil to distributor powering off and on with the points activating. Have a large blue spark from coil to earth. Points also sparking. Tested all leads with an ohmmeter through the distributor cap. Examined cap: No apparent cracks through a magnifying glass. No carbon trails were detected.
The big mistake on my part was to discard the old rotor and be unable to compare.
Still no spark at the plugs.
Now losing the will to live.
Only thing I can think of is the cap is faulty or wrong rotor.
 
History on this Running Tractor up until it NOW will not Start.

Notes I made 20 + years ago...
Firing ORDER 1-3-4-2

Remove wire at COIL that connects to Ignition SWITCH....(SW)
Then run a Jumper wire from Coil to Battery post (-).........(bypassing Ignition Switch)
Crank Engine and check for Spark at plugs..

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