I guess the tire guy doesnt make enough on repairs

rrman61 · Feb 19, 2023

Every time I get a flat on my (the railroads)backhoe
the tire guy tries to replace it.even if its from a spike,a
patch usually works fine.there reasoning is the hole is
too big and something will just come through and
puncture the patch but at 1200 plus per rear tire we
take that chance it being a tubeless tire.does the
people you guys deal with push new tires instead of
repairing the old one?keep in mind in our case there is
no hole just a 3/4 inch split in the tire

Janicholson · Feb 19, 2023

Tire repair liability drives some decisions. Sidewall damage, broken bands or belts, or deteriorated rubber that won't hold a proper patch, are all reasons appropriate for refusing to repair a tire. Court actions related to improper repair are thus avoided. Jim

NY 986 · Feb 19, 2023

Very much the reasoning behind my local tire dealer's being very fussy as to what they will fix. More and more hydraulic hose repairs are being refused for the same reasons.

Rich'sToys · Feb 19, 2023

I've noticed that they normally don't patch tubes anymore. They just automatically replace it.

Timmycornpicker · Feb 19, 2023

One of two places left in the area that deal with agricultural tires won't even do repairs. Only new tires. Not even a plug in a tubeless implement tire. I can do that myself so if it fails it's only me to blame.

rrman61 · Feb 19, 2023

I understand all that but I m talking bias ply tires and straight in the treads,not old or damaged tires and the puncture is not at an angle so there only reason is puncture size

rrman61 · Feb 19, 2023

And by the way I dont work for that railroad in Palestine I work for a different one

NDIHC · Feb 19, 2023

I worked in a couple different businesses where we did a lot of ag and industrial tire work. Even then the owners were getting pretty tight on what they would allow us to repair and that's been some time ago. Too many customers figured that if we touched it, we were married to it. We did, however do section repairs on large mining tires but that was a whole different process.

BarnyardEngineering · Feb 19, 2023

(quoted from post at 14:05:33 02/19/23) I understand all that but I m talking bias ply tires and straight in the treads,not old or damaged tires and the puncture is not at an angle so there only reason is puncture size

Doesn't matter. There are still liability concerns. Patches aren't what they used to be and they don't want to have to come back and fix it again. Then there's the very distinct possibility of unseen damage that they're on the hook for.

Of course there is the profit motive. You make more selling new tires than repairing old tires. Profit motive is not a bad thing.

rrlund · Feb 19, 2023

He'll change his tune of you get the field hazard warranty. I ran a cultivator sweep right through the face of a new 16.9 38 one time on a 4040 Deere. It was barely usable as a dual, much less a loaded single. He said it was repairable, booted it, aired it up and there was about a two inch gash over the boot. Still refused to honor the field hazard. I ended up having to buy a new tire. He was real generous and gave me $100 for the ruined tire.

VicS · Feb 19, 2023

There will be someone who will want your business. They are there you just haven't found them.

wh · Feb 19, 2023

Put 1 1/2 wood stake thru a nearly new tubeless 18.4 x 34 radial several years ago. Called the ag tire place and out came the service truck. Pumped the fluid out and Took tire off and went back to their place. Vulcanized it and came back 2 days later and installed with new tube. Filled back with the fluid we saved and added what was needed. $675 and tire is still going fine.

Stephen Newell · Feb 19, 2023

I think they all do that, especially on car tires. If the nail isn't in a 3 band in the center they claim it can't be fixed. I figure they sell you a new tire, patch the old tire and sell it as a used tire.

donjr · Feb 19, 2023

Randy, I had a tire repair guy do something about the same to me, too. Close to thirty years ago, I think. New tire guy just keeps fixin them....

teddy52food · Feb 19, 2023

I read in a book that in the hard times of the 30's & WW2 that when the tube got so bad they couldn't patch it anymore, they pitched it. Filled the tire with oats & added water! It lasted until it dried out then they added water again.

redforlife · Feb 20, 2023

I'm guessing the tire guy is not part of the railroad service department. Your taking this backhoe to a separate place than the railroad (as in a tire store).

The tire guy probably knows that if he personally deems the tire un-fixable, and replaces it with a new one, and you go on your marry way, the railroad will just cut a check for the new one and not ask any questions. That would be easy tire sales. I'm suprized you talk him into fixing any of them, if that is the scenario.

He not only gets to sell a new tire, but if he don't disgaurd the old tire that actually isn't ruined, and sells it to somebody else as a used tire for half the price of a new one, that is all extra gravy for him.

Those tire guys can be pretty slick. Especially when dealing with a place such as the railroad, that will cut a check and not ask questions.

My tire place wouldn't be above doing that. Not to me, but somebody else such as the railroad, school district, government agency, etc.

RobCons · Feb 20, 2023

Probably liability. Lets face it, lawyers run everything now. Plus if the tire guy is similar to most now and you refuse his service there is another customer right down the road.

Traditional Farmer · Feb 20, 2023

Down time for a business like the RR is far more costly than for an individual,saving a few bucks can actually cost a lot of money in the long run.At the ready mix plant we wouldn't take a chance on any tire on a mixer that was questionable.

mrhud · Feb 20, 2023

you guys ever wonder why cutting edges are worn crooked on your backhoes ,and farm tractor loader. think about the used tire on one side and the new one on the ther side ,
or the guy that is always airing up the one that has a slow leak , i think if you get a rear tire that is ruined and the other one is not almost new and you cant get the same brand then you need two new tires , do you ever se two brands the same hight? not mention the beateing one side of your loader takes that were the savings are gone from having mis matched rear tires . and no i do not sell tires , but i see alot of crap come through the shop

Leroy · Feb 20, 2023

That is on the belted tires. You get a nail thru the tread close to edge of belt and it breaks the bond between the casing and the belt so then the belt completly lets go and you loose the tread while driving.. I have had them fixed with the puncture close to edge of belt. Does not mater if bias belted or radial. They go completly unusable in just a few hundred miles.

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