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Ended up using a tube

BarnyardEngineering

BarnyardEngineering

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I got 3 of the 4 wagon tires mounted using the bicycle tube trick or a ratchet strap.

So tire #4... Confident I had the technique down, I installed the dry tire on the dry rim, slid the bicycle tube in place, and applied air. This time instead of pushing the tube out and off the rim as it came up on the bead, the tire grabbed the tube and sucked it in, pinching it and cutting the valve stem clean off before I could blink. Great.

So I tried starting fluid. As usual, big blowtorch and lit the tire on fire.

Got a 2" ratchet strap as someone suggested. Reefed on it for all I'm worth and then some. Could not get the tire beads anywhere near the rim.

After messing with it for two solid evenings, I put in a tube.
 
(quoted from post at 06:44:31 02/16/23) The bicycle tube trick? Did you use some tire lube with it?
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You stuff an inflated 16" bicycle tube in the gap between the tire and rim which holds the air long enough for the tire to expand and seal.

I found that if you used lube the bicycle tube would not stay in place. At all.
 
Just this last weekend I moved my trailer not realizing it had a flat tire which resulted in knocking the tire off the rim. I tried using a ratchet strap but wasn't able to get it to seal enough to seat the bead and hold air. Took it to a tire shop, they used sealer on the rims, then used an air cannon to inflate it instantly (then checked and adjusted the pressure).
 
Those air cannon bead seaters are the way to go!

I put some narrow bias ply tires on some wide wheels for a trailer (because that's what was on it).

I fought those things for hours, tried propping them open, every combination of ratchet strap, nothing would even get them close to taking air.

Finally took them to a tire shop, within 30 seconds they had both of them aired up and ready to go!
 
Glad you got your tires mounted. I've listened to suggestions on this site and ended up buying some Murph's tire
mounting lube and a small bead setting tank off Amazon. Best thing with good results so far after about 15-20 tires
and all different sizes. I figure I paid for it after doing 5-6 tires that I would have had to pay and the hassle of
finding a place to mount my tires. I've used the strap, dish soap, and starting fluid method allot over the years.
Sometimes the results were good and sometimes not so much but never tried the bike tube thing
 
I'm not a fan of tubeless implement tires anyway. The sidewalls get checked, then they start to leak. Never had
one so bad that it wouldn't last another five years with a tube.
 
Local shop made his own air cannon out of a portable air tank, ball valve on the tank and 80 psi with hose over valve stem with no insert in it, blast of air and it worked every time on my wide tires.
 
https://www.amazon.com/Giantex-Gallon-Blaster-Seating-Inflator/dp/B00TL98V5W/ref=asc_df_B00TL98V5W?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80333120120409&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583932699559358&psc=1

This link to amazon shows a tank you fill with air. Blast this air between the air and the rim to pressurize the tire. Your air hose needs to be coupled to the tubeless stem on the rim to finish airing up the tire. Not very hard to fabricate if you have the talent.

I have used it on 15 inch through 38 inch tires.
 
Happy you got 3 of the 4 mounted using the
bike tube.I thought my neighbor was nuts
when he handed me the tube.They do make
heavy duty rings in all sizes that does
the same thing.
 
I made one from a 20lb propane tank. removed the valve and replaced it with a 3/4 ball valve.Put a short(4) nipple between tank and valve. Drilled,tapped and put in a tire valve to air it up. A 6 nipple screwed into the ball valve,flattened on one end for the 'nozzle'.
 
(quoted from post at 07:47:20 02/16/23) I'm not a fan of tubeless implement tires anyway. The sidewalls get checked, then they start to leak. Never had
one so bad that it wouldn't last another five years with a tube.
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Unfortunately the rims are tubeless so the valve stem hole is at the wrong angle for a tube. I have a bad feeling this tube is not going to last very long. Hopefully by then the tire will be seated well on the rim, and I can just poke the valve stem in, jam a tubeless valve stem in the hole, and continue on with my day.
 
I know this is getting to be a much bigger job then you planned for but you could have drilled a new 5/8 valve stem hole in the right place.
 
sometime the amount of time u waste in trying to save a dollar is not worth it to me. if i have an implement tire to change most times i do
it. but when it comes to automotive tires i just take them in cause i need a balance anyhow. its just the price they charge nowadays is crazy
for a few minutes of work.
 
Had to replace a valve stem on my front tractor tire which I did but couldn't get the beads to set. After wrestling with straps etc, I took it to my local farm tire shop and they set the beads and aired it up......no charge.
 
I've used ether with mixed results. The ether has to be warm to blow out properly. the air blast works on warm tires better than cold tires like setting outside on cold weather. The Murphy's works well in any temperature I have used it in. Like from 70's or 80's down to the 20's, colder than that I don't like to do tires. Heavy tires are to stiff to flex well. Tend to use tubes in the implement tires for just the reason RRlund said.
 
I spent 22.5 years owning and operating a farm tire shop. I
would like to see your rim. We mounted hundreds of implement
tires on TL rims and put tubes in a lot of them. I never saw a
rim that had a different hole for a TL tire.
 
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