Should have used a tube.

BarnyardEngineering · Feb 10, 2023

So I put those 9.5L-15 tires in the warm house with the beads propped open with 7" long wooden blocks for 24 hours.

Took the blocks out of the first tire, and the tire didn't move. Thought I had it made.

Went out and put the tire on the rim. FOOMP! The tire reverted back to its "squashed" shape.

There is NO WAY I'm going to get them to seat tubeless. I tried ALL the tricks.

I put on a ratchet strap and tightened it with all my strength. The strap does nothing to push the sidewalls of the tire out toward the beads of the rim. If anything, they sucked in MORE.

I tried Johnsen's premium starting fluid 50% ether, and only managed to set the tire on fire, as usual.

I don't have a bead cheetah, don't know who has one to borrow, don't know where I can buy one locally today so I can get this job done.

This post was edited by BarnyardEngineering on 02/10/2023 at 01:56 pm.

Geo-TH,In · Feb 10, 2023

I'm too old to fight tires. You may need professional help.
My tractor tire store has a gismo that blows a ton of air into
the open bead and pops it on the rim.
Yes, you can Always use a tube.
What would happen if the bent tire pinches the tube and rips it
open?

john in la · Feb 10, 2023

Any truck tire repair place will have bead cheetah.
But that would equate to carrying the tires to their shop.
Time you pay for the service truck to come out you could have just bought the tubes.

Jim.ME · Feb 10, 2023

(quoted from post at 17:53:16 02/10/23) So I put those 9.5L-15 tires in the warm house with the beads propped open with 7" long wooden blocks for 24 hours.

Took the blocks out of the first tire, and the tire didn't move. Thought I had it made.

Went out and put the tire on the rim. FOOMP! The tire reverted back to its "squashed" shape.

There is NO WAY I'm going to get them to seat tubeless. I tried ALL the tricks.

I put on a ratchet strap and tightened it with all my strength. The strap does nothing to push the sidewalls of the tire out toward the beads of the rim. If anything, they sucked in MORE.

I tried Johnsen's premium starting fluid 50% ether, and only managed to set the tire on fire, as usual.

I don't have a bead cheetah, don't know who has one to borrow, don't know where I can buy one locally today so I can get this job done.

This post was edited by BarnyardEngineering on 02/10/2023 at 01:56 pm.

I am not saying tubeless tires are not good, but I haven't had great luck with tubeless implement tires. I don't enjoy lugging air tanks around to fill tires, before I can move something that has been setting for a couple months. I have much better luck with putting tubes in all implement tires, tube or tubeless, tires or rims, especially those that may set around a good bit. The tubeless mounted ones may stay up alright, but it seems like they are more likely to need air added several times a year, where the ones with tubes seldom do. After the second time of adding air, even to a tubeless tire on a new implement, it gets a tube at the next chance I have open. YMMV

BarnyardEngineering · Feb 10, 2023

(quoted from post at 15:23:41 02/10/23) Any truck tire repair place will have bead cheetah.
But that would equate to carrying the tires to their shop.
Time you pay for the service truck to come out you could have just bought the tubes.

Yup, time I drive anywhere and pay someone to do it, or buy even more tools than I already have, I may as well just use the tubes.

I just want to know how people are getting the BOOM! from starting fluid... It's never worked for me. Best I get is a FUFF! and a tire fire.

I just want to know what a ratchet strap is supposed to do... It's never worked for me.

This ain't my first rodeo, and I kinda like working on tires. Mounted two tires yesterday, no problems. They had tubes.

37 chief · Feb 10, 2023

Maybe the starting fluid is not strong enough. I have had good luck using it. Stan

Jim.ME · Feb 10, 2023

In my experience from working as an equipment mechanic having to do a fair bit of the related tire work and doing most of my own tire work, a tube will swell the "bent" tire without catching and ripping the tube open. Tubes generally get caught between the bead and rim during installation, often pinched with tire irons. Followed up by someone who doesn't pay attention and make sure the tube is inside the beads during and after mounting, before inflating. If it is inside the tire as it should be, it will lift the sidewall before it expands out between the bead and rim.

UncleTom · Feb 10, 2023

I think with ether you need to have an almost seated tire with a small gap. But it works.

BarnyardEngineering · Feb 10, 2023

(quoted from post at 15:33:06 02/10/23) Maybe the starting fluid is not strong enough. I have had good luck using it. Stan

50% isn't strong enough? The yokels you see on youtube use the cheapest starting fluid you can buy.

Traditional Farmer · Feb 10, 2023

Yep shoulda

rustred · Feb 10, 2023

Dont you ever head to town for groceries ? Throw them
in the truck and problem solved. You need that Murphy
soap and big air blast. Come home without a 26 and u be
even. Airing up through an air chuck is not the same deal
as an air blast from a tire machine.

Jim.ME · Feb 10, 2023

You can make a bead blaster from an old 20- or 30-pound propane tank and a few fittings. For about 80 bucks you can get a knock off 5-gallon air bead blaster from eBay and other places. We got one and it might not be the real thing, but it works good and easier to justify having one around than the $400 +/- for a real "Cheetah" bead blaster. Works on the 22.5 and 24.5 truck tires and "road" tubeless tires on trailers. And yes, an occasional implement type tire.

Also, if you don't have one, get a full flow air chuck and remove the Schader valve from the stem while seating the beads, the better air flow helps.

Getting the ether trick to work requires the right amount of ether and the flow of air into the tire from your air hose to make the explosion. Doesn't work near as good now as it did with the old starting fluids of 30 years ago. The air blaster is easier and safer now.

This post was edited by Jim.ME on 02/10/2023 at 03:06 pm.

BarnyardEngineering · Feb 10, 2023

(quoted from post at 15:57:32 02/10/23) Dont you ever head to town for groceries ? Throw them
in the truck and problem solved. You need that Murphy
soap and big air blast. Come home without a 26 and u be
even. Airing up through an air chuck is not the same deal
as an air blast from a tire machine.

No tire shops in town. Seriously. None. It's 25 miles one way to get to any sort of tire shop. They'll gladly pump up my tires but they will charge me a full mounting service charge even if the tire is on the rim, $20 per tire.

I'm just a bit frustrated with the advice of propping the tire open with blocking to stretch the beads out and how easy it would be to mount after I did that. Well, I did that and the tire collapsed back to its original pre-stretch shape the moment it touched the rim. So what's the secret?

Hobo,NC · Feb 10, 2023

I don't think folks understand its flat like a pancake the tread is deformed. You are gonna have to put a tube in it to get the tire to re-form and get its shape back... BTDT

Nothing else is going to work!

mjsnodgrass · Feb 10, 2023

put a few pounds of pressure in a 16 bike tube and place between rim and bead of tire. air up the tire and it should pop the tube out of the way. good luck

BarnyardEngineering · Feb 10, 2023

(quoted from post at 16:38:45 02/10/23)

I don't think folks understand its flat like a pancake the tread is deformed. You are gonna have to put a tube in it to get the tire to re-form and get its shape back... BTDT

Nothing else is going to work!

It's not quite that flat but I already did form it back to shape. It just won't stay that way. Plus I have three more exactly like it.

This post was edited by BarnyardEngineering on 02/10/2023 at 03:43 pm.

Jim.ME · Feb 10, 2023

(quoted from post at 19:13:34 02/10/23)

(quoted from post at 15:57:32 02/10/23) Dont you ever head to town for groceries ? Throw them
in the truck and problem solved. You need that Murphy
soap and big air blast. Come home without a 26 and u be
even. Airing up through an air chuck is not the same deal
as an air blast from a tire machine.

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No tire shops in town. Seriously. None. It's 25 miles one way to get to any sort of tire shop. They'll gladly pump up my tires but they will charge me a full mounting service charge even if the tire is on the rim, $20 per tire.

I'm just a bit frustrated with the advice of propping the tire open with blocking to stretch the beads out and how easy it would be to mount after I did that. Well, I did that and the tire collapsed back to its original pre-stretch shape the moment it touched the rim. So what's the secret?

If the tires were stored in a warehouse stacked for very long, they will take a pretty good set that won't give up easily. Stretch them open as wide as you can. I would try to stretch a 9.5 at least a foot and leave it stood up in the sun for at least a day. More direct heat like in full sun or in front of a salamander for a while, will do more than just being in a warm place. Putting a tube in the unmounted tire and inflating it is a good way to open them up and hold them spread, better than using blocks between the beads, I think. I usually have a couple old, patched tubes around to use for this. And it is easier to do as you don't have to hold the beads spread to insert blocks.

If the beads are collapsed from stacking, a ratchet strap won't help much. If one of the beads is on the outer flange area and the other is close to its flange, a ratchet strap in the center of the tread area will often help.

While it won't help spread the beads, having a small pail of Murphy's, Frey Lube, Tire Stuff, etc. for a real bead lube helps with mounting. 8-10 lb. pail goes a long time.

Just saw your picture. How wide are the rims? I think 8" is recommended for 9.5 tires. wider rims will increase your bead seating problems.

This post was edited by Jim.ME on 02/10/2023 at 04:02 pm.

rustred · Feb 10, 2023

i agree them can be a real buggar. sometime i have tryed to get the top bead like u have there to seat with murphy soap . i find them straps
are useless. then you have to very carefully turn it over or stand it up as the inside bead seats easier. so i fill that crack up with murphy
soap. this stuff you pull it out from the pail with a glove its thick. just pat it in the crack. but get an air hose with no end on it so
you can slid it right over the valve stem and clamp it. then open your compressor valve fully .i have played around with some for quite a
while but its not impossible. them guys with starting fluid must use 1/2 a can then throw a match at it to get it to explode. its a loud
boom. but i dont trust that or want to be in the way if the rim fails, nor advise that. its the big volume air u need to get seated. easier
said than done.

big tee · Feb 10, 2023

I did not tell you to do this but if it was mine I would use John Deere ether--It is 80% like it was 50 years ago--the rest of them you find are not as strong and will just set the tire of fire. Type in
ether a tire on U-tube and a lot of videos will come up--some good and some really terrible. I've been using it for years and am still alive--BE CAREFUL---Tee

Hobo,NC · Feb 10, 2023

(quoted from post at 05:41:57 02/11/23)

(quoted from post at 16:38:45 02/10/23)

I don't think folks understand its flat like a pancake the tread is deformed. You are gonna have to put a tube in it to get the tire to re-form and get its shape back... BTDT

Nothing else is going to work!

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They are not as deformed as I thought they were... All the tricks posted should get'er done. If all fails try a 2" strap.

Should have used a tube.

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