Am I nuts ,or would you consider buying sight unseen?

Pat80flh

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I'm rehabbing a property in Allegany Co, NY. 30 or so acres of forest, old oil wells, and family junkyard. Hilly terrain, with old logging trails. !00 year old house, rehab near done, moving June1.
I don't know anything about tractors, but I am a retired auto wrench. I think I need a backhoe, piles of old tires I'd like to bury, ditches to clear out, old tractors and trucks to haul around. No money, or very little. My retirement goal is to clean up this property and maybe get some old iron running.
Found this 300 miles from me, 200 from property. Dealer knows nothing about it, estate sale, "we loaded it up and dropped it, as is

."https://www.zimmermanfarmservice.com/inventory/?/listing/for-sale/219920725/1965-international-3414-loader-backhoes?dlr=1&accountcrmid=729760&settingscrmid=729758

Am I nuts to consider it?. I would assume something built then to be fairly reliable, once sorted out, any major horror stories on these?

My other candidate is a 75 Ford 3cyl diesel that needs a freeze plug in the back of the motor
 
Suggest , do you homework and check out oil well leases , who gets the mineral and water rights , ( you buying surface rights ) ?water will
be its worth its weight in gold soon to dont over look . Tankers show up and drain the lake ponds to fracture wells , you will just watch them
pump it dry , all black and white in the the leases.
 
(quoted from post at 11:46:20 01/24/23)

I don't know anything about tractors, but I am a retired auto wrench. I think I need a backhoe, piles of old tires I'd like to bury



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parts for that IH backhoe are going to be very hard to find. additionally it is not a nimble backhoe. If you feel like you have to have one consider
renting, plan out the jobs you want to do and use something new, backhoe, excavator or bulldozer. Get the insurance and let the company fix it when it breaks
down. Monroe Tractor is pretty big out in that area. If you must purchase I would consider a Case 580 to do the go to machine, parts are mostly available
and there are several places to get parts in that area. good luck
 
I would implore you to get some qualified expert advice on all the topics mentioned.
We have a couple of real-life attorneys here and I believe they would advise you the same way.
Buying a backhoe is the least of the issues you present.
 
I am an IH guy but, yes, yes you are nuts for considering that machine.

Ford and Case are much better for parts, even the real old ones. Although if you're looking into a Case 580, I'd hold out for a C model, or newer, because they're modular. You can pull the engine or drop the transmission without splitting.
 
(quoted from post at 09:54:21 01/24/23) I would implore you to get some qualified expert advice on all the topics mentioned.
We have a couple of real-life attorneys here and I believe they would advise you the same way.
Buying a backhoe is the least of the issues you present.

Pretty sure he's just looking for advice on the backhoe.

Probably wasn't a wise decision to include all the extraneous information due to the nit-pickers...
 
No way in the world I'd buy something like that sight unseen. I've seen too much in my 67 years. It's like they
say, don't gamble more than you can afford to loose.

Also, heed Steve's warning. I don't know anything about NY law, but I can tell you that here in Michigan, it's
illegal to bury tires. If you plan to scrap any of those old trucks, or if there's any cars, they have to have a
title to sell them at the scrap yard unless you cut them up so they're unrecognizable. I know a guy who bought a
place with a bunch of old cars on it and he had a devil of a time getting rid of them.
 
To answer only the question you asked. No, you are not nuts (Everyone's situation is different) but it is a BIG risk. I would look for a case machine 580C or newer. Dependable machines and parts are much easier to find and fairly easy to work on. Same could be said for a John Deere machine but I am have not been around one before. IMHO
 
Pretty sure he's just looking for advice on the backhoe.

Probably wasn't a wise decision to include all the extraneous information due to the nit-pickers...


Yep, way too late for that, I'm in with both feet. Property was bought for cash with my life savings, oil wells were abandoned 90 years ago, and if I have to pay somebody to come and "recycle" old tires, I'll bury them myself.
Maybe I'll start a what to do with old tires thread...
 
NO dealership gets a piece of equipment in without checking it out to see how much work will be needed to fix it and how much profit- minus repair costs- they
can make off of it.

Its kinda what they do.

ANY dealer that claims they ''dont know anything about it'' a machine that has been on their lot more than a day is lying. He knows enough about it to figure
that any more money they put into it to fix the faults theyve discovered (so far) wont be recoverable, so theyll just feign ignorance and hope somebody will
take it off their hands.

Or theyre being totally up front about their lack of curiosity and theyre not really in this business to make money...
 
I think if anyone {you] wants to get a loan on building anything, the bank might ask for an environmental study. You might be
surprised and disappointed at the results. Me, I wouldn't touch this with a 10-foot pole.
 
Have to Love New Your anything over 30 years here in Tennessee they will take it with no title . they know off 10 bucks if the tires and wheels are still on them but other than that crush them. I buy stuff all the time without going and looking like rolling the dice but an old IH back hoe would somewhat scare me. I would want to buy it for scrap price.
 
(quoted from post at 10:36:54 01/24/23) Pretty sure he's just looking for advice on the backhoe.

Probably wasn't a wise decision to include all the extraneous information due to the nit-pickers...


Yep, way too late for that, I'm in with both feet. Property was bought for cash with my life savings, oil wells were abandoned 90 years ago, and if I have to pay somebody to come and "recycle" old tires, I'll bury them myself.
Maybe I'll start a what to do with old tires thread...

I didn't see you bury nothin'...
 
No way on the backhoe without having some experienced operator/mechanic go over it.And from your description I would not dig anything on the property to give EPA folks any excuse to pay you a visit.I'd bet the property is already on a gov't list somewhere.The metal and junk vehicles can be hauled off by a salvage yard,in Virginia a salvage yard can easily get a scrap title.Might even get enough for the metal to get rid of the tires or make a deal with the scrappers to take the tires too.
 
In that part of the state the lease (if any) could be 100 years old or more. The company could have been out of business as long. But that is not to say another company cannot buy those old leases if they have standing. Hopefully, this was looked at in the purchase offer stage of the property.
 

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