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BAnNC
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Didn't know they allowed 'em in CA.
john in la
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They control the standards every large truck must meet to enter their state why not control the standards every pig must meet to enter their state. Its their size that gives them this clout. To stop doing business in that state would be a major blow to any company.
I did notice they stopped short of saying non EV cars were not allowed in the state as that would hurt the state more through lost tourism.
Either way I guess we will find out about the pigs in a few months as the high court has said it will take on the case.
I did notice they stopped short of saying non EV cars were not allowed in the state as that would hurt the state more through lost tourism.
Either way I guess we will find out about the pigs in a few months as the high court has said it will take on the case.
Richard G.
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Absolutely not!!!
Tony in SD
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The first time I heard California & pigs in the same sentence was when my uncle came home from a vacation in California and said the traffic in California is like two pig trying to get through the barn door at the same time.
grandpa Love
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I hate it when a post is this vague..... Apparently some of us ain't supposed to know what's going on??
Ultradog MN
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Just more of geo and his thinly veiled political crap.
There is a lawsuit going on however.
CA has set standards for how pork products sold there are raised.
They are sending their agents to other states to insure pork producers are adhering to CA standards. Yet they have ZERO authority outside of CA.
Let them eat soy based pork.
There is a lawsuit going on however.
CA has set standards for how pork products sold there are raised.
They are sending their agents to other states to insure pork producers are adhering to CA standards. Yet they have ZERO authority outside of CA.
Let them eat soy based pork.
Rich'sToys
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- Southern MN
Any pigs sold in Cal. are supposed to be raised under the same rules as Cal. hogs--each one must have so many square ft. to move around in is one of the rules. Not sure on all the specifics, but farms in other states would have to modify their operations at great expense in order to meet their standards and sell hogs in that state.
That's the basics of it. I'm sure others will chime in with more specific info.
That's the basics of it. I'm sure others will chime in with more specific info.
Brown Dirt Cowboy
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- Jackson Mo
the state probably has homeless people that live in worse conditions than the hogs
redforlife
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Well, it appears that they (think) they do. That part of it, is for sure.
I sure am glad I don't live there. Not that they don't have a completely dis-tasteful point they are trying to make here. I just don't think I could live in a state where the ???? smoking neighbor next door, who makes up the majority, gets to sit on his couch and decide how all other minorities in the society are going to do things and live. From lawn mowers, and smog systems, to truck drivers, and farmers, and the list goes on and on.
California use to be a state that most people would like to move to and live in if thier career provided them with that opportunity. But from what I've seen in recent times, that's not the case anymore. The opposite actually. The people already living there, are moving elsewhere if the opportunity arises, and they have the means to do so.
Not long ago, I seen a guy with California plates at the gas station. I inquired the guy about the plates. I said, surely your not in the mid-west just on vacation. He laughed and said, no, I'm moving here. I'm getting the heck out of California for good. Said all of his relatives were going to do the same. And this guy wasn't one of these people who was fresh across the border either. He was a life long American who had moved to Califirnia years ago, when people actually wanted to move there.
I sure am glad I don't live there. Not that they don't have a completely dis-tasteful point they are trying to make here. I just don't think I could live in a state where the ???? smoking neighbor next door, who makes up the majority, gets to sit on his couch and decide how all other minorities in the society are going to do things and live. From lawn mowers, and smog systems, to truck drivers, and farmers, and the list goes on and on.
California use to be a state that most people would like to move to and live in if thier career provided them with that opportunity. But from what I've seen in recent times, that's not the case anymore. The opposite actually. The people already living there, are moving elsewhere if the opportunity arises, and they have the means to do so.
Not long ago, I seen a guy with California plates at the gas station. I inquired the guy about the plates. I said, surely your not in the mid-west just on vacation. He laughed and said, no, I'm moving here. I'm getting the heck out of California for good. Said all of his relatives were going to do the same. And this guy wasn't one of these people who was fresh across the border either. He was a life long American who had moved to Califirnia years ago, when people actually wanted to move there.
john in la
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Rich you covered it pretty well.
Just like they did with big trucks. Not only does every truck
from California have to meet XYZ standards every truck going
in California from another state has to meet these same
standards.
The fight is over how much room a sow has in a furrowing
pen. California wants every pig sold in their state no matter
where it was raised to meet California pen standards.
So what is next. No eggs sold from caged birds or no IC cars
from other states allowed. The list is endless.
Just like they did with big trucks. Not only does every truck
from California have to meet XYZ standards every truck going
in California from another state has to meet these same
standards.
The fight is over how much room a sow has in a furrowing
pen. California wants every pig sold in their state no matter
where it was raised to meet California pen standards.
So what is next. No eggs sold from caged birds or no IC cars
from other states allowed. The list is endless.
john in la
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Thats all it would take. For one industry not one company to stop selling XYZ products to California. But that will never happen in the cut throat world we live in. One company not selling to California would just open the door for another to take their place. Now if we were talking a small state like RI or CONN that might be a different story.
wilson ind
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J C Agajanian ( spell completely wrong ?) had indy 500 winnung cars. All had a pig decal on the auto. He was wealthy from feedig pigs garbage just dumped in pen. Garabage from large citys. He was a pig farmer in California. Died in 1984.
Traditional Farmer
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Having been in hog confinement operations it is terrible how those hogs are treated.Hogs are animals just like dog and cats and if either were treated a nearly as poorly as hogs are the owners would be up on felony charges.And I'll say each state should be able to set their own standards.
I don't know about raising pigs. Stop picking on my state, with the highest gas price in the nation. Where else can a person over 18 in a poor neighborhood get free 1000.00 each month for three years. This was just introduced, by our gov. Now we are getting rid of all plstic bags in the whole state. We are saving the plante, and providing income to poor people. Is this a great country or what. Almost forgot The Volvo FE7 truck with under 80 k miles I practically gave away because of the smog laws for older trucks. Is still here. Stan
Bill in Colo
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Geogre, I went to Ag School at Cal-Poly in the 60's yes they could, but it isn't likely profitable, very little corn grain production. Lots of dairy guys are looking elsewhere, My Dad was zoned out of business in 1952 two months after we shut production down of our turkey operation. Dad had bought the ranch I've spent most of my life on in 1946. Most of my friends are planting trees or vines. Lot of other relatives and friends have moved east.
Like all natives will tell you IT IS THE LAND OF FRUITS AND NUTS.
Bill in colo and a Native Son of California
Like all natives will tell you IT IS THE LAND OF FRUITS AND NUTS.
Bill in colo and a Native Son of California
Hay hay hay
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Hey, I thought you guys were all for states rights and the concept that each state knew what was best for their state. Further, that local government was better than national government. So make up your mind! Quit being so inconsistent. When a state passes a law, their citizens have to live with the consequences. If you don't live there, it's none of your business. If Californian's want pork laws that cause them supply problems, it's not your problem. So grow up and quit complaining. Take care of your own state....you all have plenty of problems of your own to address. Like a work force that reads and does math at at the 6th grade level after 12 years of free education.
Since that proposition passed by a majority of the voters in the most populated state in the US, and since we farmers like to boast about how we feed the world, we ought to learn to change with times and give the consumers what they want. This is a great opportunity for pork producers to supply food to that state- especially given that many late adopters will miss the boat for a few years until they learn to change.
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Rich'sToys
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Kind of like granola--whatever isn't fruits or nuts.........is flakes!!
This could be an opportunity for the farms willing to adapt, and another lost market for those who refuse.
Something that could have a even greater impact on agriculture is the USDA is finally getting serious about reducing the million annual cases of salmonella food poisoning from eating US produced poultry.
www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/agriculture/2022/10/14/usda-proposed-new-rules-to-protect-people-from-food-poisoning-salmonella-in-poultry-chicken-turkey/69563371007/
Something that could have a even greater impact on agriculture is the USDA is finally getting serious about reducing the million annual cases of salmonella food poisoning from eating US produced poultry.
www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/agriculture/2022/10/14/usda-proposed-new-rules-to-protect-people-from-food-poisoning-salmonella-in-poultry-chicken-turkey/69563371007/
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