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Michael Soldan
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I'm just curious. Is the reason that John Deere keeps this tech info a secret is so that a farmer doesn't inadvertidly screw up a computer program and cause thousands in damage to the tractor ? I can see the tractor manufacturers point. I'm not taking sides ,I can see them both.
fastfarmall
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I thought the Judge had all ready ruled, in favor of the farmer's and independent mechanics!
BarnyardEngineering
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That is exactly the reason.
They screw something up, who's the first people they call? Deere. Then it's up to Deere to figure out what the farmer did to screw things up and fix it. With hundreds of thousands of lines of code it's not as simple as turning a screw.
It's the reason any software company keeps their source code secret.
wore out
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As we all know DEERE and most other companies are VERY protective of their ''intellectual property'', which only makes good business sense.
As to trying to figure out what a farmer modified/mucked up there would be NO need for that.
As simple ''reflash'' with OEM software would fix that and (as we all know) it's very common today to reflash vehicle or tractor software to update it so doing a ''reflash'' would be nothing out of the ordinary/all in a day's work for a dealer tech.
So that problem of ''figuring out what the farmer did to screw things up'' doesn't exist/isn't an issue for locking down the system, IMHO
Tx Jim
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I would like to know what the author of this article thinks is in need of "hacking on this model JD tractor in their photo"? I could start engine on my JD 4255 then disconnect batteries then operate it.
showcrop
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(quoted from post at 12:41:39 08/15/22)
I would like to know what the author of this article thinks is in need of "hacking on this model JD tractor in their photo"? I could start engine on my JD 4255 then disconnect batteries then operate it.
The crdet to "Getty Images" tells me that it is a generic photo in public domain and that the author is not intending it to be specific to the article.
lmost certainly just a stock photo.............only relation to article is that it is picture of a JD tractor. :roll:(quoted from post at 15:41:39 08/15/22)
I would like to know what the author of this article thinks is in need of "hacking on this model JD tractor in their photo"? I could start engine on my JD 4255 then disconnect batteries then operate it.
All of you know, this issue has been discussed ad infinitum. If the buyer goes in and screws up the software on newer equipment, then the manufacture will probably see this in a scan. Then they can deny the warranty. There's no winner. I hate the new stuff. I stay away from all of it, any computer operating anything on four wheels, if it can be avoided.
There have been and always will be more than a few that will try to turn up the fuel, increase the RPMs, bypass safety devices and weight their tractors down to pull larger than intended loads and then claim that the blown head gasket, scored pistons, broken crankshaft, personal injury or failed rear end is totally the manufacturer's fault.
Traditional Farmer
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Well when a buyer buys a JD tractor its no secret what the deal on repairing is going to be.
That us not the reason any company tries to licensee software instead of sell it.
The reason is $$$$$$$$.
Captive audience, no competition, no alternative. Can charge what they want.
Its none of the things you say, it is entirely $$$$$$$$.
Automobiles are the same, as are anything with a computer, like your computer or tablet or cell phone.
Couple bucks of plastic and metals is all you own, the actual thing you buy you dont own, its a license. You have no control of,your life any more.
Paul
The reason is $$$$$$$$.
Captive audience, no competition, no alternative. Can charge what they want.
Its none of the things you say, it is entirely $$$$$$$$.
Automobiles are the same, as are anything with a computer, like your computer or tablet or cell phone.
Couple bucks of plastic and metals is all you own, the actual thing you buy you dont own, its a license. You have no control of,your life any more.
Paul
Traditional Farmer
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I have no idea if they do or not its still down to Read the Fine Print when one buys or signs up for anything
Traditional Farmer
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Of course you are correct,any business is there to make the most profit they can make.
All John Deere service equipment and information is available for purchase, straight from Mother Deere. The REAL problem is two fold, everyone wants it for free, and they don't know what to do with it if they buy it. John Deere has every right to make intellectual property profitable.
If people want to limit electronics and emissions on tractors, that starts at the ballot box. Also, farmers would need to get used to less power and economy if we returned to strictly mechanical tractors.
If people want to limit electronics and emissions on tractors, that starts at the ballot box. Also, farmers would need to get used to less power and economy if we returned to strictly mechanical tractors.
BarnyardEngineering
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- Rochester, NY
Of course it's about $$$. If you've invested the $$$ into developing the software, it's only right that you should profit from it.
Licensing prevents someone from simply buying a copy of the software and selling their own copies. I'm sure you would cry bloody murder if someone took your idea and used it to make money for themselves, not you.
Licensing prevents someone from simply buying a copy of the software and selling their own copies. I'm sure you would cry bloody murder if someone took your idea and used it to make money for themselves, not you.
1948CaseVAI
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The restrictions protect the farmer! Farmers need to stick to farming and let the professional repair people fix the computers. It takes more than 'learn to code' to diagnose and repair those systems. When some farmer gets a bill for thousands of dollars to repair damage that HE caused by breaking into things with a laptop computer he will understand the other side of the fight.
The old advise to "stay in your lane" applies.
The old advise to "stay in your lane" applies.
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