re jd is price gouging thread

Jd would rather not sell a part for a reasonable rate that has been taking up space for 40 years in there warehouse. Just goes to show the mentality. they would rather it stay for 20-30 more and double the price again than sell and be rid of it.
I was at a dairy supply a few years ago, and wanted a box of milk inflations. Now I milk a few cows with one old surge modified claw. this is real old stuff. all the new stuff is completely different. So I show the guy the cup and he says. We just threw out all of those in the dumpster. Go get as many as you want before the garbage truck shows up. same thing with the little rubber hose that goes to the old surge pulsator. had been up in the ware house so long he gave it all to me. Said he hadn't sold a piece in 20 years or more and if I took it all he had shelf room for better things. different attitude than JD that is for sure. and yes JD owns A n I and the bearing in the JD box is made in china just like the A n I one is. and as far as A n I bearings I can by them at the local metal shop for 1/2 the price of what JD charges for the exact same thing.

The big companies like JD and CaseIH sell off the parts for obsolete machines to other companies that specialize in selling old equipment parts. So the idea that JD is spending money on warehouse space to hold parts for equipment that is older than 10-20 years , is pure fantasy. Things like the pto shaft which was the item of topic, are not necessarily made by HD even if they sell the part. They simply source some of the more common parts and add on retail mark up .

Earlier in my life I worked for a couple of parts supply businesses. I can tell you that nothing sits in a bin for 40 years. Will they maintain a bin location is a different question altogether. 35 series Weasler PTO assemblies were used on many pieces of equipment including JD. MY 1219 MoCo uses pretty much the same assembly as the OP's baler as did a number of other JD products such as choppers and manure spreaders. So many years after production no doubt a bunch of similar parts sub over to one number that can be modified such as cutting the shaft down to make it work in other applications. Further, prices have gone up as it takes more money such as the price of steel, cost of electricity or gas, and transportation to get that part produced and eventually to your dealer. Back to JD be thankful that JD still puts some effort into supplying a part that most likely went obsolete 30 plus years ago. We run a fair amount of older IH products here and I can tell you that Case IH is no better and in some respects worse. You better not be the second guy in the same day looking for oil filters for a 1066 as the area dealer only maintains a stock of two.

Sounds like you were in the right place at the right time. If you had been a week earlier or a week later in that 20 year window and the story would have been completely different. Glad it worked for you.

Your point is generally on the mark but I would say that JD has done a very good job of having parts ready at the distribution centers for the 20 series combines which on average are 40 years old. JD has done some changing in regards to oil filters so one needs to reference by the number on the filter versus just stating the application.

This was told to me so I have no proof if it is true or not. Deere raises the price on slow moving parts and when they finally decide to get rid of them they can write them off at the last list price. I have no way to verify this but it does sound reasonable. I am just glad for the amount of parts I can still get but I often check other sources before Deere and have a good bit of parts equipment as well. Tom

I worked at IH dealer most of my working life but spent four years at Deere dealer also. What IH did was send out a list to the dealers every year I believe it was, of the parts that could be returned for credit. The parts dept looked up how long since they sold that part, and it was not very long, then they would return that part if it was past that amount of time.

It was very irritating as a mechanic as I would just go up to get a part that was used quite often and find out , oh we returned that part. Now, reorder and wait. Not saying they should keep a part two years, I'm talking like six months.

At Deere dealer, many many times I stood along side the parts man while he checked with the outfit that bought so called obsolete parts from Deere co and dealers. If I wasn't standing there, I would have not known Deere no long stocked them because when I got the part it was just like it cam directly from Deere. Here is your part, they had it. But really they didn't as they ditched it long ago.

Wrong part in right numbered box is also a big problem. Young mechanic , at the dealership got the wrong main bearing for a 4020 ERA tractor just a couple weeks ago, four different orders. Ended up sourcing it someplace else. Cost him several days getting the job out.

True but I would imagine the PTO shaft in question has more to do with cost realities in the last few years. A 35 Weasler 6 spline yoke was 75-85 dollars the last time I checked and TSC has drastically downsized its PTO section in their stores. To put a front half of a 35 driveline together would be over 250 dollars. I almost bought a 55 IH chopper just for things such as the PTO even though the chopper was in very good condition. A chopper that went for 160 dollars including a 2 row corn head had several hundred dollars worth of parts such as 9.5 X 15 implement tires, PTO hardware, and hydraulic cylinder plus hoses. Back to TSC how much demand is there if they reduced their PTO section down to where there are no shafts or tubes stocked?

I wanted to comment since I started the original thread: I live in an area that is about 50/50 farm land vs houses on lots, here in PA. I did live in MD where nearly all the farms are gone now. In fact the land I started on is now houses. Suburban sprawl doesnt stop, because it is way more profitable than farming. I decided to do my part to slow it down but It is a losing battle in the long run. However, the only way farming wins out over sprawl is thru profitability, period. If what we do is not worth it financially, why should anyone make the effort???

From what i understand is that John Deere no longer has a floor plan for dealers. They order in a tractor, and its invoiced for full payment on the 1st of the month, 15 day pay. Dealer is responsible for finaceing if need and the interest. JD has eliminated the small dealerships for this very reason. Parts fall into this as well, stocking supply of parts is on the dealer, so larger dealers can then have more parts in stock through their various stores. Not sure what the markup would be for the dealer, but somehow the price posted on their web must have something built in so the dealer can survive. Pretty confident that all brands are the same.

I've probably written this before, but this is a story from my Dad. He had a JI Case garden tractor that needed a new hydraulic motor for the transaxle. (I was only 4 at the time in 1978 so I remember none of this.) Poniatowski Bros. Inc. was our local Case dealer and he went there for a motor. It was something like $379. He didn't want to pay that, but finding another source pre-internet was difficult. The company he worked for, Stobb, Inc., built paper handling machinery. He was friendly with the components purchaser, who told Dad if he could find manufacturer numbers on that motor, he could find one in his stack of catalogs. So that's what happened. Dad ended up paying 98.00 for a motor. Stobb bought from a distributor, who bought their inventory from the pump manufacturer. The OEM-sourced pump likely was sold by the manufacturer to a distributor, where it sat in inventory, who then sold it to Case, where it sat in inventory, who then sold it to Poniatowski Bros, where it sat in inventory, with a bunch more freight cost added in as it went from place to place.

they can write them off at the last list price.

I really doubt that. Inventory value is recorded at COST, not selling price.

I dont agree with your statement one bit I ordered parts for my Baler on Wednesday last week they were here by Friday last week, the parts were not sitting on a shelf for 40 years, Im almost positive the parts are still used in a brand new Baler made today, I asked some other guy, do you think they change the design of Balers every year?

Some parts have not changed since the 3XX balers were introduced in 1971. Others have changed due to cost and vendor availability. My 1983 347 does not use a Weasler 35 series shaft. From where I sit and it being 2022 once the dealer order went up to corporate JD ordered the parts from Weasler or a Weasler distributor and all related charges were applied such as shipping and handling. I doubt JD stocks it since most shafts by 1990 were coming from Bondioli or some other foreign made product.

My 346 still has the old triangular plastic collar on it, if something happened to it Im sure I could take the shaft off the haybine and put it on there I would think it would fit not sure though I ended up losing my new Holland Haybine PTO shaft with the round collar on it so now I just use NH manure spreader shaft on it, I never cared for that new Holland one anyways,

Sort of like the Ford brush hog I had years ago the bearings were about $40 each took 4.An industrial supply salesman got me some replacement bearings for $12 each which were way better quality, he said his company didn't sell a junk bearing like Ford was selling.

Was getting some #60 chain for baler at JD station last week. Partsman told me good thing I got it that day as the next day all parts were going up 8%. Then proceeded to let me know that has been happening for months. I didnt bother to ask for how long this has been going on, but he alluded it has been happening for quite some time.