sign of the times

Mike(NEOhio)

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Newbury, Ohio

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Yes in many ways the kids of today have been dumbed down from what they where 50 plus years ago. But then again back in the 60sif you owned a car you also knew how to change a tire at the very least and many could do points/plug/condenser. Now days if you ask a kid what points are they don't have a clue
 
Yeah maybe so, and maybe not. Younger folks are a lot better at stuff with technology than I could ever hope to be. A sign of the times. I dont think any ( normal right mentally) person would do crazy things. These stupid warnings are due to a few who have done some dumb things. Lawyers involved and now the manufacturers are trying to cover their posterior. Sure wish they would include more useful info though !
 
Even fifty years ago not very many cars still used mechanical valve lifters that needed to be adjusted, 99 percent used hydraulic valve lifters.
 
I will agree with you. If I wanted to go somewhere, I had to know how to fix what I had. One thing to remember though is a younger person these days probably will never drive a vehicle with points and older technology and the problems they have are problems with newer vehicles are something many here need help with. Tire problems and such are a different story.
 
Very true. I remember when Army manuals. Went from manuals with real words. To words with pictures. So you could the manuals.
 
I still think to get a drivers license one should have to be able to change a tire, check the oil and transmission fluid, brake fluid and coolant level.
 
My boys had a Cub Scout meeting that covered that, including changing a tire out in the parking lot. They are both mechanical engineers now.
 
My oldest son gave a demonstration speech in high school a few years ago on how to change a tire. The teacher- 20 something maybe 30 something guy- didn't know how, but was amazed he did it, while explaining, in under 5 minutes.
 
I was cleaning out an old carport about 20 years ago, found an owners manual for a 40's something Ford truck.

It covered everything from an F1 through maybe the biggest gas truck they made.

The manual was not very thick, maybe a 1/4 inch, but it covered every component, every option, of the truck.

Along with the usual operating instructions, it had tune up, carburetor, engine specs, clutch, transmission break down, rear end set-up, suspension, electrical...

Very thorough, very useful, nary a word about seeing your local dealer!
 
I remember drivers ed in high school.

One of the things the instructor required was everybody had to go through the motions of taking a wheel off and putting the spare on.

Seemed like it took all day, watching them fumble with it. Clueless where to even start. And it was cumbersome, nothing but the factory bumper jack and the bent bar lug wrench.

Finally it was my turn. I think I was the only one to loosen the nuts before jacking it up, the instructor tried to stop me, I just went ahead with my plan, had the wheel changed in a matter of minutes, on the ground, tightened up. We didn't have to put everything back in the trunk.
 
I would agree on not needing to know how to adjust valves but if you want to call someone to change a tire after hours around here, good luck. The girl at Casey's will say, do what and the local Cenex closes shop at 5 like everybody else.

Local wrecker would come for emergency like car upside down in the ditch but that is about it.
 
I complained to family members about worthless early morning texts that I receive from them, while I am still in bed. I explained that I take my phone into the bedroom in case my son needs my help, because he works nights. One sister answered that they have AAA for their kids. Don't call us now, we'll call you. Tag line from a song. Another example of paying to have someone else do for you what a person should be able to do for themselves.

GFs daughter uses her phone a lot to get directions on how to get where she wants to go. So many people rely on technology instead of self-reliance.
 
I grew up on a farm. Learned how to change and gap points and plugs pre high school. Knew how to change tires. Could weld and use a cutting torch. And a bunch of other stuff farm kids could do back then. But the last time I changed a tire on my pickup that was only 2 years old, I had to get the manual out, not because I didnt know how to change a tire but because I couldnt find where they hid the jack, tire iron and lock to get the spare down.

My RV toy hauler was so good at getting flat tires that I bought an air compressor, air jack, and 1/2 drive battery impact.
 
Just think what will happen to them if what is going on right now get to the point someone get real stupid and send a nuke. and it doesn't go to the point of no more world but no more tec
 
Back in the late 50's when I was a teenager I was putting new points in our tractor. I did not have feeler gauges so I eye balled a .020 gap. My dad said you can't eye ball a .020 gap. Dad went and bought some feeler gauges to check me out. He was right I had them set ay .019. I'm glad points are a thing of the past.
 
Such a long and hallowed tradition of old farts making fun of the young. I am sure that note the manual was not written by an old fart that worked for an insurance company that was covering every possible way they could get sued.

Open up the hood of your vehicle made in the past 40 years and show me how you adjust your valves. When was the last time you needed to change a tire on the side of the road? I put at least 25k on vehicles a year, and I have not had to in 15+ years

Vehicles and tires are FAR better than they were 50 years ago. Those were designed and built by you old farts. So young guys make quality vehicles that take very little maintenance and last 200k miles, and tires that stay inflated and go 50k miles. You guys built junk that needed valves adjusted and had tires regularly went flat. Hmmm.

I was recently at a job, and the old fart didn't know how to change an electric motor from high voltage to low voltage. Old farts these days.

But hey, lets talk about how kids cannot write cursive next...
 
If the CPU was able to diagnose a failing door hinge with the information that the hinge was getting out of specification and it was the
top drivers side hinge, I would not be bothered by Old verses young discussions. All my neighbors call me first for everything from
furnace failure to auto diagnosis. (new cars less than 5 years old. Jim
 
(quoted from post at 04:59:02 03/21/22) Such a long and hallowed tradition of old farts making fun of the young. I am sure that note the manual was not written by an old fart that worked for an insurance company that was covering every possible way they could get sued.

Open up the hood of your vehicle made in the past 40 years and show me how you adjust your valves. When was the last time you needed to change a tire on the side of the road? I put at least 25k on vehicles a year, and I have not had to in 15+ years

Vehicles and tires are FAR better than they were 50 years ago. Those were designed and built by you old farts. So young guys make quality vehicles that take very little maintenance and last 200k miles, and tires that stay inflated and go 50k miles. You guys built junk that needed valves adjusted and had tires regularly went flat. Hmmm.

I was recently at a job, and the old fart didn't know how to change an electric motor from high voltage to low voltage. Old farts these days.

But hey, lets talk about how kids cannot write cursive next...

Darn, you got to it before I could!

These old farts that complain how people can't adjust valves or change a tire... Wonder if their grandparents groused about how they couldn't harness a horse.

Oh and in those days, you couldn't change a tire yourself. You needed to take it to a WHEELWRIGHT to have the wheel repaired and the tire re-set on the wheel.
 
A goat skin stretched over a wood circle is technology. The word has been cooped by those who fail to understand our roots in chipped flint. We are technologists!!! Jim
 
50 years ago the manufacturers of the day were not smart enough to make engines that didn't need to be babied every week. People today are far smarter than prior generations. Show an old steam mechanic a modern engine and tell him to tune it and he would fill his depends.
 
(quoted from post at 10:29:29 03/21/22) 50 years ago the manufacturers of the day were not smart enough to make engines that didn't need to be babied every week. People today are far smarter than prior generations. Show an old steam mechanic a modern engine and tell him to tune it and he would fill his depends.

On a truly modern engine there is nothing to "tune." You can change plugs and wires. That's it. There's no carburetor. There's no distributor.

Well, I guess you can "tune" them with an aftermarket computer program.
 
Years ago I borrowed my son in laws Volvo sedan. Had a flat on the left front. Found the jack, wrench and spare OK, Got the flat off but try as a I might I could not get that spare on. I finally decided someone had switchec the spare so I decided to remount the flat tire. deja vous. Could not get that tire on. Was using up all my cuss words and then thought about my trials with Mercedes, Jags, etc. I did an inch by inch inspection of that wheel and the brake drum. Sure enough.Mounted on the dram was a small, about 1/8 inch dia register pin, and I found a hole in the rim that size. Went back and got the spare , lined up the pin and the hole and of course it dropped right into place.
When I took the car back my daughter she said Jamie her husband, had to call for help when he had a flat. How did you know how to do it? I lied and said piece of cake, just line up the pin on the wheel LOL
 
Boy you got gommers nnalert in a knot this time didnt you . But kids today are so smart they can just call triple a to change there is no need to know how .
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And in another 50 years those old cars and trucks will still run
and this new fangled electronic junk will be resurrected as a
harbor freight ball pien hammer with a plastic handle
 
(quoted from post at 04:42:16 03/22/22) And in another 50 years those old cars and trucks will still run
and this new fangled electronic junk will be resurrected as a
harbor freight ball pien hammer with a plastic handle

SV,

The average life expectancy of a vehicle has more than doubled in the last 50 years. You may love the crap outta your 1980 POS, but it is one of the very few survivors of that age. Walk thru any parking lot at any store anywhere for proof. Most of the fellas on here might say their favorite vehicle of all time was a 1976 landwhale that was shot at 75k miles, but their daily driver is less than 15 years old and still going strong at 150k miles. My 2011 dually has 215k miles. My wifes 2009 Escape has 125k miles, and the half ton has 205k miles. None are nearly ready for replacement.

I know you never let reality get in the way of your world view, but living now is as good as it has ever been. Vehicles are better than theyve ever been. Just because you open up an new vehicles hood and cannot find anything does not mean it is junk.
 
(quoted from post at 08:58:01 03/22/22)
(quoted from post at 04:42:16 03/22/22) And in another 50 years those old cars and trucks will still run
and this new fangled electronic junk will be resurrected as a
harbor freight ball pien hammer with a plastic handle

SV,

The average life expectancy of a vehicle has more than doubled in the last 50 years. You may love the crap outta your 1980 POS, but it is one of the very few survivors of that age. Walk thru any parking lot at any store anywhere for proof. Most of the fellas on here might say their favorite vehicle of all time was a 1976 landwhale that was shot at 75k miles, but their daily driver is less than 15 years old and still going strong at 150k miles. My 2011 dually has 215k miles. My wifes 2009 Escape has 125k miles, and the half ton has 205k miles. None are nearly ready for replacement.

I know you never let reality get in the way of your world view, but living now is as good as it has ever been. Vehicles are better than theyve ever been. Just because you open up an new vehicles hood and cannot find anything does not mean it is junk.

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Well said.




This post was edited by Carlmac 369 on 03/22/2022 at 05:05 am.
 
There are plenty of examples of engines that are not 50 years old that require valve adjustment. My favorite is an extremely well engineered and long lasting engine- the Toyota 22r. I have owned quite a few of em. As far as changing a tire, I think everyone should know how to do that for sure. I would say that it is a safety issue especially where I live. There are ALOT of miles out here with zero cell coverage and I sure wouldn't want to be stranded in the middle of winter or have some creep-o stop to "help" my daughter out. Anyhow, I have an old beater Isuzu rodeo that got a flat tire a year or so ago. I actually needed the users manual to find the jack and wrench! I looked everywhere for it. I would like have never guessed that under the middle seat the bottom is velcro'ed on and they are inside of the lower seat cushion...
 

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