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Hobo,NC

Hobo,NC

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To show yall I don't defend every auto repair shop. This was posted on the Automotive shop owners forum. It a 2016 Honda with 37K on it they are recommending a timing belt because of age.

2016 Honda Odyssey with 36k miles. Went to local dealer for an oil change and got an estimate of $2100 for routine maintenance. Trans fluid, coolant, brake flush, cabin & air filter. Fine.

Also Timing belt by age, fuel injection service, induction service. This is not a GDI engine. Service writer could not explain anything, could only say he just sells what his tech tells him.

Lower right corner check the battery specs out...


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Hobo, I'm still driving (<5000mi/yr) a 2000 Odyssey. Just kept putting off having the timing belt changed over the years. The darn thing won't quit; starts right up in cold weather.
 
Happens at our local Honda dealer all the
time. They know most Honda owners just
wave their platinum card for maintenance.
I had a CR-V in that they had told her it
had a massive transmission leak with a $500
estimate. The owner's husband and I looked
that thing up and down and could find so
much as a drop. I service his excavating
equipment and trucks, but they had been
loyal Honda dealer customers for their CR-V
and Odyssey. Not anymore, that stunt cost
the dealer thousands of repairs on those 2
vehicles alone, there have been others that
followed them to me.
 
I have a 2006 chev Impala. Dealer has all kinds of things they wanted to change on it. One was a power steering hose that failed at certain mileage. I only went to dealer when they had cheap oil change but they always had a list of things I should change. Now at 178000 miles still haven't changed hose. They like to sell parts. Timing belt ahouldn't fail that soon. With some engines if timing belt fails is can mess up other stuff. My jeep has Ford 2300 engine. when timing belt fails it just stops
 
If I remember right, Honda recommends a timing belt change at 90K miles, and I'll go along with that.

Most of those engines are 'interference' engines, meaning that if the timing belt fails it takes the valve train with it by the pistons hitting the valves.

The cost of a timing belt is cheaper than the cost of an engine. A lot of people think they can just run an engine until the timing belt breaks and then just replace the belt, but it's not that simple.
 
I would wonder if battery test amps is
some sort of mis-print or typo.
Maybe I have been out of the wrenching
business for to long, but most of what
they are recommending done for
maintenance at 36k, use to be what you
would expect to see recommended years
ago at 100k.
 
Only a very bad company would design an engine where valves hit pistons when a timing belt fails! Buy elsewhere!
 
Not a belt but a chain. Don't rember miles but not importnant. The chain went out and not supposed to be an interferianc engine but it took out all 16 valves when It failed. So how do you know what a non interfence engine will do. In sendentally it was a 1974 Chevy 350 V8 in a half ton truck, This was on a saterday morning in Canada and I live in Ohio. So should we not buy any GM products?
 
(quoted from post at 23:45:50 02/24/22) Only a very bad company would design an engine where valves hit pistons when a timing belt fails! Buy elsewhere!
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When timing belts became a thing most engines were low output, low compression and non-interference. Modern engines (the last 25yrs or so) are high output, high compression and interference. Honda kept a timing belt on V6 engines for too long, very few modern engines still use a timing belt.

Timing chains are not without their flaws, just about every manufacturer has timing chain problems on multiple engines. Some of these problems are catastrophic or very expensive, most if not all are interference too.
 
The Deutz F 2011 series of engine is a light diesel with a timing belt. The design is such that when the timing belt fails, the valves will lift the
rocker stands off the head stretching the soft bolts that hold them down. Install a new belt, and new bolts holding the rockers down and you
are good to go.
 
I saw that happen on one 350 Chevy of the probably hundreds I have changed, so it can happen.

No reason for it to have been any different, it just did it. Idle speed, turning into her drive way when it happened.

Bent several valves.
 
(quoted from post at 21:45:50 02/24/22) Only a very bad company would design an engine where valves hit pistons when a timing belt fails! Buy elsewhere!
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JMOR, could you advise which manufacturers are therefore "good"?
 
Place I used to work, the boss had a Toyota Sequoia his wife drove. He would
send her to the dealer for oil changes.

Once it was out of warranty and getting some years on it he started letting me
do the work.

I opened the glove box and found all the receipts from the oil changes and the
work done.

It was an astronomical amount! I never added it up, but I'm guessing it was in
the $20,000-30,000 range! They were given free range to do everything
suggested, or at least charge for it. They were replacing the serpentine belt
about every other oil change, air filter every oil change, fluid changes and
flushes, timing chain, brake pads, alignments, unbelievable what they scammed
them out of!

And it still got traded in at 100,000 miles.
 
Lower right corner check the battery specs out...

What tool did the dealer use to measure the amps???
 
I would be concerned also on that Honda six about cylinder 3 for ring failures resulting engine Code p0203 ,viz. If was a compression done
Id ask
Tack on another 2 k to 2.5 k in future
 
You know that has to be an equipment malfunction or an honest mistake.

Why would a "crooked shop" tell you that your battery tested out at 2X factory spec? The correct "crooked shop" procedure is to show the battery testing LOW so they can sell you a new battery!
 

They have to fish because Hondas give little trouble. I would not recommend a belt change at 37K and 6 years I would talk about it at 10 years and 100K. I seen a many Honda V6 go 200K when the belt came off it looked like new. On the old 4 Cyl accords I have seen them break and bend the valves at 150K.

I have a 2007 Honda Pilot V6 in the shop with 180K I need to dig into for other issues I do not see any indicators the cam belt has been changed. I warned them about it so waiting form them to approve the repair. I know its gonna snowball $$$$

Battery, I spec they were licking their chops and missed that, at 6 years If its never been replaced I would recommend it. The filters and brake fluid are a GO I have no problem with that.
 
If you own a Honda, good idea to read the link below. Some Honda engines have belts, some have chains. I have an 07 Civid wit a timing chain, I remember the salesman using that as a selling point when we bought the car, Click on the link below .... not sure when it was published but the info starts in 1996 but isn't totally up to date to 2022.
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I wish I had a dollar for every time I got my F-150 services and the courtesy check notes that the clutch is properly adjusted. It has an automatic transmission.
 
We had a Subaru Forester timing
belt broke at 80000 mi, had been
changed by seller. Reason for
failure was one of the many idlers
failed. Subaru recommends changing
ALL idlers when belt is changed,
gets expensive. I don't want a car
with sealed bearings, limited
life. Car sold for$50.
 
Local Toyota dealer is just as bad. I swear they would pick stuff up off the shop floor and put it on the cabin air filter to show me it needed replaced. How else do you explain whole leaves being on it. I had to deny them access to the glove box so they would quit messing around.

But they also refused to deviate from the book on anything. I finally determined they didn't have any real mechanics and moved on.

Based on your statement, I would say that service writer only knows how to work the computer and I would be asking for a different one.
 
I remember getting one of those when I brought my Grand Marquis into Ford for a transmission oil change. They wrote down everything from wiper blades to brakes to tires. Went to pick it up and they had
broken the windshield. The tech claimed it was broke when it came in. I pulled out their list of suggested and required repairs and sked him why they didn't note the broken windshield when they saw the wiper
blades needed replaced.
 
And even worse - probably half (or more) those repairs were never made. They knew they replaced the belts 8000 miles ago, no need to put a new on if they could charge for it anyway. Just like the brakes.
 
Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Toyota, Nissan, Honda and Mitsubishi have all designed interference engines. The only ones that MIGHT not have is Kia and Mazda.
 
(quoted from post at 20:59:59 02/25/22) Local Toyota dealer is just as bad. I swear they would pick stuff up off the shop floor and put it on the cabin air filter to show me it needed replaced. How else do you explain whole leaves being on it. I had to deny them access to the glove box so they would quit messing around.

But they also refused to deviate from the book on anything. I finally determined they didn't have any real mechanics and moved on.

Based on your statement, I would say that service writer only knows how to work the computer and I would be asking for a different one.
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Yes whole leaves can get in some. I wish I had took a pix of the one I replace yesterday it had a double hand full of pine straw and leaves in it. Mice like to make a home there also...
 
I thanked the powers-that-be that my last Tacoma 3.4L was non-interference, when the timing belt made its way out the front belt cover. And that's my contribution to stupid mechanical mistakes: If you loosen up an idler to get the new timing belt on, tighten it back up. steve
 
(quoted from post at 20:20:42 02/25/22) I might be wrong but a 2016 Honda odyssey
doesn't have a timing belt
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Honda V6 still has a timing belt, Odyssey, Pilot, Ridgeline, Accord.
 
I found where I laid down that filter I had already scooped off the big stuff. It was loaded I had to vacuum the supply side out. Mr. mouse had made a nice home on top of the cabin air filter...




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Where it comes from


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its not a perfect seal all it needs to do is keep water out of the HVAC box.


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This post was edited by Hobo,NC on 02/26/2022 at 10:09 am.
 
(quoted from post at 15:57:35 02/25/22) We had a Subaru Forester timing belt broke at 80000 mi, had been changed by seller. Reason for failure was one of the many idlers failed. Subaru recommends changing ALL idlers when belt is changed, gets expensive. I don't want a car with sealed bearings, limited life. Car sold for $50.
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I finally broke down and changed the timing belt on our '10 Forester at 200,000 miles and changed out the idlers and water pump and oil pump. I don't t think I had very much in parts, seems like under $300 at the time. I didn't buy Subaru parts, however. It is not that big an expense to save the engine.
 
I can imagine no air was getting through that filter. I've never lived in an area with that many trees. I guess they don't blow off going down the road.
 
I would wager the filter has never been changed. I drove quite a bit before I went after that filter it did not seam to bother the air flow I did not run the blower after it had to be better.

Nope the leaves do not self clean : ( This is one of my pet peeves when I open the hood customers will rake it out on my shop floor GRRRRRRR I make a big deal out of that so they will remember it... A customer did that one time on a 2000 Buick 3.8 FWD some must have fell between the engine and fire wall when they got home it caught fire and burnt to the ground. Plastic fuel lines feed the fuel rail they run on the fire wall.

In most cases I would have been held liable for that, She took it in stride because I made a big deal out of it and turned it in on her insurance. I now go behind them and make sure none fell on the exhaust manifold.

If y'all have noticed my shop floors are oil/dirt free I don't care who you are I make a bid deal out of it if you trash them. Its not hard to work clean once you get use to it, it becomes second nature. All the help I have hired its hard to train them to clean up the mess they make. I guess they have worked knee deep in speedy dry and walked in the fluids everywhere they have worked they think nothing of it.

This industry has some bad perceptions to change it a clean shop is a good place to start.

This post was edited by Hobo,NC on 02/27/2022 at 06:17 am.
 
A friend bought a Honda pickup from nearest dealer about 100 miles away. After a few years and warranty done, he was in the city where the dealer was and it started making a lot of noise on one of the brakes. I think he said the rotor broke, anyway he got it to the dealer and they replaced the parts and dealer told him they get brake parts from a parts store as Honda parts, at least brake parts were inferior.
DWF
 
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