News said Anhydrous Ammonia is going to be expensive

Geo-TH,In · Jan 12, 2022

Price from $600 to $1500 a ton.
Keep in mind, this is info from local news.
Is your price going up that much this spring?

Back when I was 10 or 12, my dad experimented by planting soybeans in the same row with corn. This crop was for cow feed, silage. Not sure, I think dad might have added sugar cane to the mix.
I do remember the crop grew into a jungle that was difficult to chop up with a one row corn chopper.
Dad then bought his first and only new tractor, a Ford 6000 10 speed SOS The only thing you could see was the black exhaust from Ford, the jungle was that tall.

So has anyone grown corn with soybeans for silage?
Would the beans planted close to corn produce nitrogen for the corn?

Bob Bancroft · Jan 12, 2022

I have purchased my liquid nitrogen fertilizer for 2022. At $777/ton it's 2.6 times what it was last year.

Timmycornpicker · Jan 12, 2022

haven't seen anhydrous here for 30 years. I was quoted $1100 for a ton of granular 28-13-13 which I think is at least doubled from last year. I have to get out my records from last spring to see the exact difference.

fixerupper · Jan 12, 2022

In my neck of the woods it was $1200 per ton three months ago.

andy r · Jan 12, 2022

I did prepay a couple weeks ago. This years anhydrous ammonia is $1540 a ton. Last year I paid $535 a ton. I use 11-52-0 and it is priced at $985 this year and was $578 last year for a ton. Also use 0-0-60 and it is currently priced at $815 a ton whereas last year is was $365 a ton. Dry urea 46-0-0 is $960 a ton and last year it was $360. In regards to the anhydrous there are many variables at play. Natural gas is used to make NH3 and prices may have been higher earlier. I think futures are trending downward now. I believe at one time it was more profitable to sell the natural gas off rather than use it to make ammonia. Someone told me China is shutting down coalfired ammonia plants due to pollution. I think the majority anhydrous is produced by primarily four big companies. They probably want to capitalize on some $5, 6, and $7 corn that was sold last year. Experts in the fertilizer field I have talked to say that probably an increase of $500 a ton is warranted which should ideally make anhydrous $1000 a ton. But, with all of these additional variables it seems like at least $1500 will be the going rate. Even trucking is probably higher. I was told retailers traditionally tried to make about $100 a ton. I doubt that has changed much. Fertilizer salespeople hate the situation. I knew what had happened to prices. When my salesman handed the prepay statement to me he said you are not going to believe this and your are not going to like it. Even with the higher prices for fertilizer corn still makes more money for me.

mjbrown · Jan 12, 2022

I wonder how much urea is going through diesel engines each year.

GaryinKs · Jan 12, 2022

What type of planter did he use to plant the corn and beans in the same row ?

rusty6 · Jan 12, 2022

Yes, just got a price last week and its going to be just over double what it was last year. For full service anhydrous its going to be $2300 a ton. If they can get it. And at this point even supply is looking uncertain. What a year!

ss55 · Jan 12, 2022

How does this shift the optimum amount of NH3 to apply per acre or per bushel? Is should shift the breakeven point on how much to spend on nitrogen per bushel.

Does enough N carry over into the next year that it will pay to cutback on N for 2022 and make up the difference in 2023 or 2024 when prices return to normal, or does most of the unused N simply leach out into the ground water and is no longer available in the following crop year?

Alvin 41 · Jan 12, 2022

My dad used a JD999 2 row horse drawn planter that had bean boxes over the corn row and planted both sometimes. It was also a check row planter. I cut off the front wheel and adapted it to a Ford 3-pt and used it for wheel track planting in 40"rows ,but never used it to plant beans.

larry@stinescorner · Jan 12, 2022

One lonely farmer is going with more compost to cut some fertlizer ,I have been watching his you tube posts.
Do you sell any small blaes of mulch hay?IF you do I Would like to buy some for my garden

rusty6 · Jan 12, 2022

(quoted from post at 18:24:37 01/12/22) One lonely farmer is going with more compost to cut some fertlizer ,I have been watching his you tube posts.
Do you sell any small blaes of mulch hay?IF you do I Would like to buy some for my garden

I could supply you with a few truck loads of those type bales. The dried up sloughs around here have quite a growth of stuff that is not worth much as cattle feed but sometimes I cut it just to clean it up for next year. Makes bedding for the cattle shelter if nothing else.

coonie minnie · Jan 12, 2022

George, in answer to your question, likely not a whole lot. Legumes can produce a lot of nitrogen, but they usually don't release a whole lot until they die. Corn following a soybean crop typically needs 40-50 lb less N than after a previous crop of corn, because the soybeans supply some after thy've died the previous fall. Corn following a crop of alfalfa typically needs NO supplemental N.

Interseeding beans into corn may offer a little N boost, but not a whole lot. Much work has been done in recent years with interseeding clover etc into corn, some claim a mild benefit, others not.

Hope this helps.

RogerinIowa · Jan 12, 2022

Anticipate weed seeds from mulch or compost, even manure. Put horse manure in three years ago. Still fighting grass weeds.

JWinIndiana · Jan 12, 2022

CFS here isn't even quoting prices nor taking money. Was going to plow down a pasture for corn this year, left the pasture alone this fall. The team could have used the work, but not paying the cost of urea. Next thought is when will it become unobtainable?

SVcummins · Jan 12, 2022

Horse manure especially not composted manure is the absolute worst thing you can do for weeds

Geo-TH,In · Jan 13, 2022

1950's John Deere.

Jim Phelps · Jan 13, 2022

Some of the local farmers in my area are supplementing with chicken manure from the Chicken houses cheaper than A.H. and faster to spread on the ground.

NY 986 · Jan 13, 2022

I would be willing to bet that prices will not back off much if at all between now and spring. Even if natural gas prices decline substantially. There would be a lynch mob at every retailer's door for those that bought at 1,500 dollars with the current market 100's of dollars less. As to inter cropping from what I see tried in this area that the benefits are mainly in added organic matter. Corn-soybean mix might be good for fodder but I doubt would produce high quality grain.

BarnyardEngineering · Jan 13, 2022

I have to wonder how much of this is self-fulfilling prophecy.

You go to auctions these days and the auctioneers won't stop prattling on about how equipment is hard to find and prices are going up up up... So what do people do? BID MORE!

In the meantime, auctions seem to have just as much junk as ever, and seem to happen with increasing frequency. Seems like plenty of old junk equipment to go around to me...

What I don't understand is what's wrong with the equipment you have? Can't get new? Run what you have for another year or two. Why do you HAVE to run out and pay way too much for someone else's old junk?

Timmycornpicker · Jan 13, 2022

I think interseeding legumes into corn has more N benefit for the next year's crop than the one it is seeded with.

dhermesc · Jan 13, 2022

Agreed. Get some feedlot manure from cattle on silage - that stuff is digested.

ztrmower · Jan 13, 2022

was quoted 1625 last week and that was if i left a payment. i decide to up date retirement will rent ground out this year instead.

ss55 · Jan 13, 2022

Corn planting for this year is only 3 to 4 months away.

SVcummins · Jan 13, 2022

Horses dont break down the weed seeds

T in NE · Jan 14, 2022

Russia cut off 20% of the nitrogen that we import.

rusty6 · Jan 14, 2022

And its not just because the price of natural gas increased. That is only a fraction of the increase in fertilizer pricing. The companies know just how hard they can squeeze us when the price of grain goes up.
Canola price doubled, hey thats great! Fertilizer more than doubled so how much better off are we?
https://www.michiganfarmnews.com/texas-a-m-study-nitrogen-costs-adds-32-cents-bu-questions-fertilizer-industry-excuses?fbclid=IwAR0hBJWi2tVw2x7yY2VfT4wdgc-HNa5mSDK2e5PMdp_QZL_i4DKDdyNOODY

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