I need to put up a fence for a dog yard The wood choice I have from my Home Depot is: redwood@ 4.98, or Ceder @ 3.58 each. Neither of the boards are top quality, and 5/8 inch thick x 5 1/2 wide x 5 1/2 ft high I think box stores get seconds on wood. In the past I always used red wood. I have never used Cedar, maybe it's just as good? The cedar boards have a little red in then. What's your choice? Stan
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DoubleO7
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- Crystal River, FL
Is it really redwood?
Home Depot here only sells pressure treated pine in the standard green tint.
Or rough sawn pine that is pressure treated but also died to look like red cedar. But it is a true 6" wide and 5 /8" thick.
Steve@Advance
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I have 15 year old cedar on my fence, it's never been painted, sealed, stained, just left to weather gray.
Still in great condition except where tree limbs have fallen and broke a couple of the tops.
But it is sitting on a curb, not down in the dirt, and they are individual planks, hand screwed to treated runners, not prefab panels.
Still in great condition except where tree limbs have fallen and broke a couple of the tops.
But it is sitting on a curb, not down in the dirt, and they are individual planks, hand screwed to treated runners, not prefab panels.
they have the fake redwood, and the real thing It's real redwood, but not what I would called prime. I have an old barn probably put up in the late
1800's. Now that has some good redwood, well weathered, but still solid. Some close to 20 inches wide,
with few knots and full one inch thick. Stan
1800's. Now that has some good redwood, well weathered, but still solid. Some close to 20 inches wide,
with few knots and full one inch thick. Stan
Janicholson
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Cedar sold at the box stores is fast growing species that weather rapidly and split easily. Finding redwood or cedar that matches what was common even 20 years ago requires shopping at a lumber mill, or alternate sourcing. The choices you found will last 8 years before showing decay that is unacceptable. Posts need to be ground contact treated, or they will rot off at the base. No concrete, filling the hole with crushed rock and tamping as it is poured in, is way better. Jim
I use cedar on my fences. They aren't very good boards, but Lowes will always take them in on exchange for about a year. I usually return about 2% of the boards for warp, split, or cracking after a full season.
There are no true cedar trees native to the US. Most fence material is made from western red cedar, or eastern white cedar. They are not real cedars, but close enough. If you are paying for "redwood" I would have that examined by a specialist in redwood and have they grade or proof it's a real redwood.
There are no true cedar trees native to the US. Most fence material is made from western red cedar, or eastern white cedar. They are not real cedars, but close enough. If you are paying for "redwood" I would have that examined by a specialist in redwood and have they grade or proof it's a real redwood.
Traditional Farmer
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- Virginia
So what is a Eastern Red Cedar? Almost all red heart wood very little white sap wood,never heard of a Eastern White Cedar.
bradley martin
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Eastern red cedar is actually a juniper, not a cedar. Eastern white cedar is very common in the northeast and Great Lakes basin. White cedar is a member of the cypress family. Widely used for windbreaks. Can also be pruned to use as a hedge.
BAnNC
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- Western North Carolina
Around here, cedar is really expensive and true redwood isn't available. Southern Yellow Pine, pressure treated is the common choice. Decking boards usually at 1 thick.
Geo-TH,In
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Stan,
When I have to make an executive decision I ask myself will I get a lifetime warranty?
Will it last me my lifetime and in your case, will it last your dog's lifetime?
I'm cheap, so you know what my choice would be..
If your dog isn't a jumper, could you cut the boards in half and put up a shorter fence?
When I have to make an executive decision I ask myself will I get a lifetime warranty?
Will it last me my lifetime and in your case, will it last your dog's lifetime?
I'm cheap, so you know what my choice would be..
If your dog isn't a jumper, could you cut the boards in half and put up a shorter fence?
Russ from MN
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- Bemidji MN
We have lots of native Northern white cedar on our property in N MN, and there is a company near by that buys it and makes fence panels out of it. It is somewhat rot resistant, and is the common wood to use for fence posts in that area. Back when everyone used wood shingles this is what they were made out of. I made this sign from cedar to put in front of our winter home in Arizona, most of our neighbors have signs showing where they're from. As you can see, it's a very soft wood, and scratches easily, My wife sanded it before she put a hard finish on it.
MarkB_MI
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- Motown USA
I'm sure either wood will be fine in the arid SoCal climate. Here in the midwest, no lumberyard carries redwood. Red cedar is readily available, but typically doesn't hold up as well as pressure-treated pine.
TomA in CA
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Your barn is built from old growth redwood. Any redwood sold now is second growth and only lasts 10-15 years. I understand any old growth goes to Japan for big bucks.
We have cedar here in the Foothills. It seems to be long lasting. We have split posts in the ground more than 50 years still solid.
We have cedar here in the Foothills. It seems to be long lasting. We have split posts in the ground more than 50 years still solid.
Stephen Newell
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It would be cheaper and last longer to use pressure treated. Personally I think redwood is pretty crummy. It may look nice when new but takes a ton of maintenance to keep it up.
1948CaseVAI
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I would not know where to even look for real redwood in KS. Certainly not a box store. When I was a kid I thought all it could be used for was picnic tables.
Crazy Horse
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Interesting post Chief ..... lumber these days, a guy never knows what to expect. I guess we all expect 'standard' fence boards to be 3/4 x 5 1/2 which the industry says 1x6's end up being after milling. Recently, I have noticed a lot of milled all sides fence lumber for sale is now close to 11/16 thick so they're cheating a bit, and the difference between 11/16 and 3/4 is noticeable visually. They definitely warp more, that I can tell you.
So now you are dealing with fence boards that are 5/8 thick ...... getting pretty slim unfortunately. Maybe they are what the industry calls 'resawn boards' .... ever hear of that term? A resawn board is when a mill takes a 2 inch length of lumber and cuts it in half for thickness. So they start with a 1 1/2 inch milled all sides board and slice it in half. Those end up being close to 5/8 inch in thickness since 5/8 + 5/8 + the saw blade thickness comes close to 1 1/2 inches. Sometimes they are referred to as having one smooth side and one rough cut side.
I guess I wandered a bit ...... ha!
So now you are dealing with fence boards that are 5/8 thick ...... getting pretty slim unfortunately. Maybe they are what the industry calls 'resawn boards' .... ever hear of that term? A resawn board is when a mill takes a 2 inch length of lumber and cuts it in half for thickness. So they start with a 1 1/2 inch milled all sides board and slice it in half. Those end up being close to 5/8 inch in thickness since 5/8 + 5/8 + the saw blade thickness comes close to 1 1/2 inches. Sometimes they are referred to as having one smooth side and one rough cut side.
I guess I wandered a bit ...... ha!
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