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I read JD workers just rejected a 10% raise. Might be a cold winter for them. I don't think I ever got close to a 10% raise in all my 40+years at my factory jobs. This be a problem for next years new equipment availability, if they don't go back to work soon? Stan
 
(quoted from post at 01:30:15 11/03/21) I read JD workers just rejected a 10% raise. Might be a cold winter for them. I don't think I ever got close to a 10% raise in all my 40+years at my factory jobs. This be a problem for next years new equipment availability, if they don't go back to work soon? Stan
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How much do they want? 50%? 100%?
 
WE do not know the whole story as we do not work there. The company brags about being #1 and record profits so the workers there are doing a great job to make a good product and now its their turn for some of the pie cause all DEERE will do is raise their prices and their customers will pay the bill.
 
How long has it been since they have gotten a decent raise? The company has made record profits lately, time to share it with the workers that make it possible. The CEO received 14 million last year, and lots of lower management received over 5 million each, and then there is other compensation! The ratio of CEO compensation to median employee wages is 122:1, that is ridiculous!
 
She has mentioned on more than one occasion that with the increase in the new hire pay scale that she isn't making much more after ten years on the job, than the new people being hired. And she has skills and knowledge that the new hires don't have. The higher entry level pay has de-valued the experienced operator.
 
I read somewhere that the biggest issue is the retirement program. As I understand/remember it, new hires are not going to be able to become a member of the existing program. That is subsequently going to effect existing retired folks as well as people in the company retirement program that haven't retired yet. That's the major issue according to what I read. Don't know if that was fake news or not.
 
I fail to see what the companies profits are loses have to do with what a line worker gets paid.
In fact I have never seen a union say profits are down go ahead and give us a pay cut.

Wages for employees are easy to figure.
It is what I can replace you for.
Nothing more nothing less.

While I know there are laws against it; Deere ought to hire new people willing to work for the current pay and tell the strikers to pound dirt.
 
Russ, I couldn't agree with you more! If people put it terms of years...say your productive life span is 40 years then at 122:1 it means I would have to live nearly 5000 years to make what the other guy made in his life time. Now think back in time and consider how far we've come from then. Think about what a leg up that kind of inherited wealth gives one.

JD
 
The non-union company I retired from still pays well but about 20 years ago they did away with lots of the benefits that kept the workers there for 20-30-40 years...Pensions and profit sharing went by the wayside and health insurance wasnt nearly as good-etc..Morale fell off the cliff..The main thing was to look good for the stock market no matter what...Every quarter had better be a record quarter or else..

Now days the turn over is unreal...They are always training tons of new people and some leave after only 3-4 weeks or 3-4 months..Lots of these jobs are difficult to learn and you need experienced people there to keep things running smoothly....John Deere would suffer greatly if they went with an all new workforce.
 
Grain prices are high, demand for machinery is high, company profits are high, demand for workers is high. It is probably now or never on good raises.
 
My union took a 4 dollar an hour pay cut during the Great Recession. So please tell us more about unions and their pay, Im sure you have lots of first hand experience and facts.
 
You have a great union for taking a $4 pay cut to help the company out in bad times.

I respect you for realizing your pay is hooked to company profits and demanding this cut. So tell us how long did your strike last before you could get the company to agree to these pay cuts ???
 
It is about a 30 year cycle. The pendulm swings back and forth between company power and labor power. Companies had the power in the '30's and over did it, resulting in Unions, that got powerful and overdid it in the '60's, Companies regained the power in the '90 and here we are in the 2020's with unions trying to get claw back some of the power.
It would be great if the power did not always swing just a little too far, and cause a rebellion. But...Moderation of power is rare.
 
But what about the 3rd generation, and 4th, and 5th, of inherited super wealth that has never needed to work a single day because they were born super rich...billions. We have numerous American examples.
I want my kids to inherit my estate late enough in life to have been forced to live productively and with purpose up to that point.
Thomas Jefferson, a very wealthy man himself, wrote frequently that America should not duplicate the English aristocracy model.
 
We would have called it a concessions package. We gave the company one in 85 and the owner of the company put it all back into the foundry which is what he said he was going to do. Good. Problem was he sold the foundry to people that werent high on my list of people I considered honest. Long story short, 2 more buyouts and negotiating with who knows who every contract we settled for after 85 was a concessions package which lead one to think our bargaining committee was either useless or taking money under the table. Ill stop there.
 
TF: I think that our generation is totally guilty of funneling everything they do in their lives in order to pass along to their kids. I've heard the term 'the waiting generation' .... waiting for the old man or old lady to die and inherit everything they worked for all their lives. I find it a bit sad actually. When I left high school in the early 60's and went to post secondary school after that, I'm not sure that my dad even knew there was such a thing as tuition fees. I know that I didn't tell him. Now when a kid is born, they have a college fund set up the next day and rest assured, the biggest part of the down payment on a new house 25 years later comes from the parents. The way I see it anyways ....
 
That is one thing you and I agree on, what the company makes (or looses) should have no bearing on the labor rate, only what a fair or equal pay should be. In other words what do workers in nearby similar jobs being paid.
 
You have obviously not been forced to punch-in every morning at 6AM, at an assembly plant. Before the shift starts, you must be at your station, when the line starts moving. Your disrespect for the 95% reliable American workers is disappointing. For a guy that sets his own clock, to say that a man that is on time, break of dawn, every day, rain or snow, year after year, is a slacker, is an insult, not factual or fair. 5% unemployment , means 95% getting out of bed and going to work. Thanks to all you working Americans.
 
I punch a clock every day then I come home and work another 6 or 8 hours and go to work on 4 hours sleep but I dont I dont know what work is ok
 
People dont realize how little per hour most farmers make and most dont care unfortunately. Milking cows for a living it used to infuriate me the farm bashing in the news because milk prices were up 2c/ litre . They only saw land equipment and milk quota values and dont understand or care what cash flow is required to keep the sheriff away. There is another side to the coin also,for most people doing plant work, that and what their spouse earns is all they have. No farm equity to secure a retirement, only their home and investments. I havent been watching the news on JD but if company profits are way up why shouldnt they be asking for a fair share considering how much the cost of living has gone up.
 
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