I have a 1965 Ford 5000 with a recently installed, auxiliary hydraulic (power beyond) adapter under the seat, a joystick, and a loader. The loader works great, however the rear three point and PTO will not engage. When I remove the aux hydraulic plate and return to the original set up, the rear hydraulics work correctly. The plate I have installed is the aluminum block from Steiner tractor. Help please.
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Destroked 450
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Youve either plumbed it wrong or have the wrong valve
You must have a open center valve for that tractor
Timmycornpicker
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Is this a TISCO adapter?
Timmycornpicker
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Yes, pressure and return. The only Ford auxiliary remote valve setup I've ever been around was on a 3000 and there was a t-handle you had to turn one way for
using the remote valves, which sat directly on the adapter block, or the other way for using the 3-point. I'm not sure how your style adapter block is supposed to
accomplish that.
using the remote valves, which sat directly on the adapter block, or the other way for using the 3-point. I'm not sure how your style adapter block is supposed to
accomplish that.
used red MN
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Does you tractor have factory auxiliary remotes? What happens if you deadhead one of those? Does your 3 point raise
then? If it will that tells me the plate is tapping into flow path that operates the factory hydraulics. Since the valve you
added is open center the flow when your joystick is centered is just dumping back to the reservoir and cannot build
pressure to operate the factory hydraulics upstream of it. So I suppose this would also mean if you run a loader function
to the end of the stroke and hold the valve it would then do the same thing and allow the 3 point to raise. To me that
would prove as others have said it probably will not work without a switching valve in the plate. Just painting on this with a
wide brush. After your 5th post you should be able to post pictures. But I do not know what that will add to help. I would
contact Steiner tomorrow and see if they are sure this will work for your application.
then? If it will that tells me the plate is tapping into flow path that operates the factory hydraulics. Since the valve you
added is open center the flow when your joystick is centered is just dumping back to the reservoir and cannot build
pressure to operate the factory hydraulics upstream of it. So I suppose this would also mean if you run a loader function
to the end of the stroke and hold the valve it would then do the same thing and allow the 3 point to raise. To me that
would prove as others have said it probably will not work without a switching valve in the plate. Just painting on this with a
wide brush. After your 5th post you should be able to post pictures. But I do not know what that will add to help. I would
contact Steiner tomorrow and see if they are sure this will work for your application.
Destroked 450
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Is this the adapter you got
If so its pretty simple
P goes to the loader valves inlet and the valves outlet goes to The other fitting
Ive plumbed up a few of these adapters with no issues
Destroked 450
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Yes you can run them together, the only thing youll notice is the lift will stop when youre raising the loader but as soon as you release the loaders controls the lift will go back to raising
Any function of the loader or lift should not effect the pto
Look at the loader control valve on the outlet side, there may be a large plug on the end of the valve, if so look on the end of the plug for stamped in letters, if the plug has a CC stamped in the top of the plug it is a closed center housing lug thats blocking my oil flow back to the lift top, this will cause the pressure relief valve to open dumping flow back into the axles sump
Agree... the loader control valve must be "open center" and return pressurized fluid to the down stream function. A "closed center" loader control valve will prevent the 3 pt from working and might dead head the hydraulics creating an over heat condition. A correct power beyond block with the correct control valve will work perfect. However the 5000 hydraulic pump is a little bit slow for loader work.
Ok, guys! Thanks for your help. I seem to have been able to fix the situation atleast for now. Heres what I did wrong. I had the top plate cover that was the orginal cover plate on backwards on the top of the aluminum adapter. Insert head bang emoji here!! Once that was switched around it still would not work. The return hose from the joystick control needed to be routed to the return line on the top cover. This now is allowing everything to work. I plugged the now unused return nipple. Please let me know if you think this fix is not a good idea...
Destroked 450
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Can't say if it's a good idea or not, I know on the ones I've installed I used both ports in the adapter.
Are you sure you don't have the adapter on wrong, maybe up side down or something.
The ports on the adapter should be on the front side nearer to the right side of the tractor
In this photo the adapter is upside down
I could not find a photo of it positioned correctly
Also on the ones I installed the tractors had a remote valves, on those the bolts supplied in the kit were 1/4 inch to long and bottoming out in the lift top, I had to shorten them to get them to work
May not apply with a block off plate
(quoted from post at 16:38:51 08/23/21)
Can't say if it's a good idea or not, I know on the ones I've installed I used both ports in the adapter.
Are you sure you don't have the adapter on wrong, maybe up side down or something.
The ports on the adapter should be on the front side nearer to the right side of the tractor
In this photo the adapter is upside down
I could not find a photo of it positioned correctly
Also on the ones I installed the tractors had a remote valves, on those the bolts supplied in the kit were 1/4 inch to long and bottoming out in the lift top, I had to shorten them to get them to work
May not apply with a block off plate
Thanks for the help!! I do have the aluminum block with the o rings facing down and the ports facing forward. That part I paid attention too! Just not the top.
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