deutz tractors?

any one have, had or used a air cooled deutz tractor?
ive never been around one, very few in my area,

did they have much of a market presecence in your area?
any experiences with one? good bad ugly?
what was there downfall? not enough dealers? or quality?
thank you!

Not many here, but many in industrial applications. I mean in construction equipment. If kept blown out so they cool right they seem great. Warm up quick and use little fuel. I know its not a tractor, but the engine.

There was a lot of Deutz tractors sold here in Ontario when Deutz/Allis partnership was going strong. All of the existing Allis dealers were then carrying Deutz/Allis tractors.They also had a full line of Deutz/Allis hay equipment, and the familiar Allis/Gleaner combine was adorned with a Deutz green stripe. So Deutz gained market access immediately this way. Farmers not familiar with the air cooled diesel from Deutz often didnt take the effort necessary to blow the dust from the cooling fins on the engine and overheated engines soon failed. The hay equipment wasnt very robust and soon began to fail, much of it went straight to scrap, as no one wanted to buy used Deutz hay equipment. After the partnership with Allis ended and Allis became part of Agraco I believe it was, Deutz suddenly had few dealers. The company that owned the import rights to Deutz Canada changed ownership, and parts and factory trained service technicians became few and far between. Dont see many new Deutz tractors anymore, and very few old ones either. Parts are hard to get and tractors are expensive to fix, and have low resale value. This doesnt mean that they were not a good tractor, just manufacturers support and lack of dealer network has really hurt the brand where I live

I got the job of brush hogging a hundred acres of reclaimed mine property. It had been something like 5 years since it was seeded and left to grow. The tractor was a 4X4 Deutz utility. I drove it through town and at the base of the hill that goes to Lovers Leap in Hannibal MO, I grabbed the shifter to jump it in to road gear, and it shifted as smooth as glass. The thing has a synchronized transmission. It was engineered very well,everything I thought would be hard to do to, and with the tractor was easy. I would by one in a second,(but I might have to repaint it a color I could stand to look at!)

Theres a Deutz tractor dealer about 30 miles from me in south Alabama so they are still being made brand new and being sold down here.

Their golden age along with Same was late 1970's-early 1980's. Inflation was so bad during the late 1970's that import dealers could sell a foreign tractor 140-160 HP for 20,000 dollars less than the North American tractors. Then the tough times of the 1980's hit and the North American companies said no more foreign tractors. They could not literally of course but they could make life very difficult including at new contract time. They did not need even 50 percent of the dealers they had just several years earlier. So the North American companies just placed enough hurdles in front of dealers that the dealers readily gave up the imports. At least around here by the mid-1990's most imports disappeared out of the dealerships.

Years ago we had a Liebherr excavator with a 2 yard bucket that had a Deutz air cooled V-8 engine in it. We also a Bucyrus- Erie of the same size and the Deutz engine in this one far surpassed the Detroit 6-71 in the Bucyrus. The death of the Liebherr was that it got submerged when the creek broke a dam and flooded the mine site. All you could see of the machine was the tip of the boom. It never ran right after that, continuous electrical problems that finally cause the whole machine to get scrapped.The operators had to remember to blow out th cooling fins weekly though.

Bad timing for Deutz-Allis to be successful around here. Not only were the times truly desperate but many former AC dealers gave up D-A in favor of other franchises or closed because they could not bridge the gap back into better days. Several became FNH dealers as Ford's ag network needed some weeding out of gone stale dealers. I know of two L3 combines that carry the green strip. I can't think of a single Deutz powered tractor being around back then..

My uncle bought one new in the 70's. Used it to pull 8 row planter, 8 row crop cult., all haying operations, haul grain wagons in fall and stalk chopper. He was farming 600 acres and had like a million hours on it. He did meticulous maint. on it and never had any problems at all. Beautiful tractor when it sold on his auction about 10 yrs. ago. Couldn't hardly get a bid on it and sold for little to nothing. So. central Mn.

About 1968 my Dad went looking for a six bottom plow tractor. He and the nearest Case dealer came to within $25 of each other, neither would give. Dad ended up buying a Deutz, don't remember the number of it. It pulled well and was easy to operate once you learned the controls. My gripe is that it was hot, I'm talking wet underwear hot. The seat was on the transmission which your legs straddled, and the fenders were almost shoulder high. The air cooled engine provided plenty of heat for the operator and no matter which direction the wind was coming from, it still found its way to you. You might say I didn't like operating it. Years latter I was visiting the dealer, Ernie Fruend, in a nursing home and told him the story, which he enjoyed with a big laugh. Needless to say that was the last Deutz on the farm.

Thought when it became Deutz Alice that was the end of Deutz. Only one dealer around me and he was a Gehl dealer and when the bussines closed so did anything gehl or Doytz. Don't remember for sure if owner retired or passed on. Also when Gehl sales dissapered. Just about all forage wagons were Gehl.

My uncle farmed near Lucknow, ON and had Duetz tractors. There are a few Duetz-Allis tractors here in Kansas as well as quite a few Gleaner combines with the air-cooled engines.

My brother bought one new in I think the '80's and still has it. Never complained about anything on the tractor as I remember.

There was an attempt at a dealership in the nearest town around late '80s time line. Lasted a few months. Besides the paint, what I didn't like was 2 cylinders on the ones I looked at. Never saw one in the field. A couple of years or ago I was looking at tractor things on Youtube and there was a good looking Eurpean gal going to work in hers, probably 250 HP. Showed her airing her radials for the trip from town, deflating in the field, running a bidirectional moldboard type plow with many bottoms, airing back up for the trip home. She knew what she was doing. Interesting video.

The tractors sold near me are branded Deutz Fahr , good looking tractor as far as the style of them but that lime green color is not to appealing

New Deutz-Fahr dealership opened about 50 miles south of me. The lime green is kind of shocking but mechanically & feature wise the tractors look good. The owners claim the tractors are quite fuel efficient.

A guy just over west of me collects them and farms with them. He loves them and can't say enough good things about them.

About the closest I've been to them was a neighbor who's sons were like brothers to me. He and his wife were more like an aunt and uncle to me, so I was around there a lot. He bought a new 100-06. That thing was junk from day one. The rear end went out shortly after he got it, and it was in the shop for so long that, to be honest with you, I forgot he'd even bought it. When he finally got it back, I was following him up the road and he pulled over and stopped. He pulled the cap off the transmission fill hole and smoke rolled out. It was gone for a long time again.

He traded it off on a new Allis 7000. The dealer was mad as a wet hen that he hadn't looked it over better before he took it in. The drawbar was held on by a chain and binder because all the bolt holes were stripped out in the casting.

Maybe it's not fair, but that one turned me off to them. Not that I have any need to ever own one.

There were quite a lot of them around my area of Northern NY. Still a fair number being used. Most people that had them ran them hard and didn't do a lot of upkeep. They seemed to go forever. Barstool experts expound that they are "expensive to fix". Well, show me a tractor that is CHEAP to fix!!!

We have 5 of them. Dad bought the first in the late 70's. A 2wd 100 06. He liked it cause it was simple and the price at the time was advantageous. In 1984 added a mfwd 100 06 (were one of first in area with mfwd). In 1990 added a mfwd Deutz-Allis 6260 with loader. In 2002 we traded the original 2wd 100 06 on a 2wd Deutz-Allis 7110. In 2011 we added a mfwd 130 06. Then just last year I bought a 2wd Deutz 68 06.

No major issues. We did have the 100 06 overhauled 10 years ago after 10,000+ hours. You want to keep the cylinder fins clean or they will run hot. But that is usually not much of an issue as it is usually caused by a leak on top the engine collecting dust (fuel leak or valve covers). Keep the leaks under control and you are fine. I have many more problems with keeping our water cooled machines cool on a hot day! The main advantage of the Deutz tractors (at least ours) is the synchronized transmissions, especially the 100/130 06 setup. Being able to shift through every gear on the go in the field or on the road is something that I take for granted until I drive another brand tractor.

We like the old 06's better. Crude in some areas, but as tough as nails. A neighbor has a 80 06 and refers to it as the German tank for a reason. The newer DX/Deutz-Aliis's are not quite as tough in my opinion. The Deutz-Allis 6200 series seems good. I would avoid a 7120, 7145, or DX160 because those transmissions are not strongest.

In the late 70's and early 80's quite a few small dealers cropped up here in Wisconsin, and even some bigger dealers picked them up as a side brand. I say the biggest mistake Deutz made was buying Allis. Them most of those existing dealers quit and the former Allis-Chalmers dealers were selling all of them. The fall of Deutz-Allis was for mulitple reasons. Among them unfavorable exchange rates in late 80's early 90's driving up their prices. Also, Deutz refused to truly study how Americans used their tractors. They were ok before they bought Allis as somewhat of a side brand, but after buying Allis is made them a more major player having to compete with the major names. With that said, many of the dairy farms here with Allis-Chalmers tractors did start buying Deutz-Allis tractors and seemed to like them from those I have talked to. Then Deutz sold off Deutz-Allis to AGCO in 1990 and they eventually dropped Deutz-Allis. But Deutz did still make their own tractors for European and other markets, although in 1995 Deutz (the engine company) sold off Deutz tractors (Deutz-Fahr) to Same, who still owns them today. Deutz-Fahr tractors (and parts for the new and old tractors) are now sold in the USA at dealers again through the distributor PFG America.

We have a real good small Deutz dealer here in Wisconsin that has sold them since the 70's and still sells them new. Through them, parts are no issue at all. He offers real Deutz parts as well as gets aftermarket parts direct from Europe. He also has a large scrap yard.

We also have a Deutz-Allis discbine, rake and little square baler. The rake and discbine are semi-retired (backups), but I still use the Deutz-Allis square baler. Just did 2100 second crop bales with it. I consider it the world's fastest little square baler. You can haul with the thing. We have an inline Hesston little square baler also, but typically use the Deutz because you can go at least 2 gears faster baling with it versus the Hesston. I will say the Hesston does always make a nice bale and there are some advantages to the inline design.

Sorry for the long writeup, but since you asked I likely have more knowledge and experience then most on this site on the topic.

Have to get going now....have some work to do with my Deutz tractors today!

DW

(quoted from post at 06:12:35 08/09/21) My uncle farmed near Lucknow, ON and had Duetz tractors. There are a few Duetz-Allis tractors here in Kansas as well as quite a few Gleaner combines with the air-cooled engines.

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For a while the Duetz tractors were tough to beat in the off the farm tractor pulls.
I still know of a Duetz tractor in service , less than a mile from "Westfield " Ontario.

I remember seeing Deutz-Farr tractors in Orange with black trim too

In 1995 Deutz-Fahr joined the Italian Group SAME/Lamborghini/Hrlimann to become the SAME Deutz-Fahr Group, now the SDF Group.

SDF, a multinational group based in Treviglio (Bergamo) in Italy, and is one of the world's leading manufacturers of tractors, harvesting machines, diesel engines and agricultural machinery. The group's products are commercialised under the brand names SAME, Lamborghini Trattori, Hrlimann, DEUTZ-FAHR and Grgoire. The tractors produced by the group cover a power range from 25 to 440 HP, while its harvesting machines cover a range of powers up to 395 HP.

The history of the group dates back to 1927, with the creation of one of the first tractor powered by a diesel engine, by brother Francesco and Eugenio Cassani. In 1942 the foundation of the company SAME (Societ Accomandita Motori Endotermici) in Treviglio (Bergamo) crowned the company's founders' dream. After buying Lamborghini Trattori S.p.A. in 1973 from its founder Ferruccio Lamborghini, SAME embarked on a strategy of growth through acquisitions.

With its acquisition of Hrlimann in 1979, the company changed its name to SAME-Lamborghini-Hrlimann (S-L-H).[1] In 1995, the group acquired DEUTZ-FAHR from the German group KHD, changing name definitively to SAME DEUTZ-FAHR. SAME DEUTZ-FAHR India was founded in 1996. From 2003 to 2012, SDF was a shareholder in the German group Deutz AG; In 2003, the group acquired 10% of the Finland based company Sampo-Rosenlew, which specialised in the production of components[clarification needed] and 4 and 5 straw walker combine harvesters. This shareholding was subsequently sold. In 2005, following its acquisition of the Croatia based company uro aković, the group founded the company DEUTZ-FAHR Combines, through which it now produces DEUTZ-FAHR branded components and combine harvesters. In 2008, the Same DEUTZ-FAHR Historical Archives and Museum was established at the group's main headquarters in Treviglio. In 2011, the group acquired Grgoire A/S, a company which specialised in equipment for wine farming, olive oil farming, pruning and for the treatment and harvesting of grapes and olives. Also in 2011, SDF initiated a joint venture in China with Shandong Changlin Machinery. In 2014, the company SAME DEUTZ-FAHR Traktr Sanayi ve Ticaret A.Ş. was founded in Istanbul, Turkey[2] and the company Agricoltural Equipment in China is acquired. In 2016 SDF acquires the majority of the Chinese business.

Thx, interesting, real practical experience, this site needs more of it.

Seems you got the history from the SAME side, which is ok. There seems to have always been a disagreement between who was first to mass produce diesel tractors. SAME claimed they first were in 1927, but Deutz used to claim to be first in 1926. I see now that SAME owns the Deutz tractor company the history always say 1927 for Deutz instead. I guess it doesn't matter anymore since they are both one company now. Kind of like the feud between New Holland and IH on who was first with the rotary combine. They are one company now so who cares.

I am not the most avid tractor pull fan, but here in Wisconsin there is a Light Limited Super Stock class. There is a Deutz 80-06 (with DX sheetmetal) called the Lil Green Giant that wins almost every pull and wins the points championship almost every year in that class. Looking at the results so far this year, they have won every pull and of course are ahead in the points again this year. Not that tractor pull results indicate anything about how tractors are on the farm!