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Geo-TH,In

Geo-TH,In

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I see wildfires on News, total devastation. I can't imagine living in a wildfire prone area.

Wildfires burn so fast, it looks like a match box going up in smoke.


Big question is why do people choose to live in a wildfire prone area knowing everything could go up in smoke real fast?


Anyone here have to deal with wildfires? Are things as bad as seen on TV?
 
I have liver against the Coconino National Forrest in the Flagstaff area. No one gives it much thought other than having a modest firebreak at the house and out buildings. Things are much different now. From warming and dry conditions, to fuel buildup from way too many years of fire suppression. When it goes now it hats so deeply that even ponderosa pines ignite. They are capable of dealing with floor level fires every 10 years or so. Jim
 
Never been up against that.

But my theory is you have people living on city lot size properties and have no access to the surrounding area to clear it.

Or they simply don't for whatever reason...
 
In California, they can't cut down dead trees because of environmental issues, so all the dead trees act like matchstick. It is so dry there, then all these wildfires cause more environmental damage from the smoke that goes all the way to the east coast.
 
George when I was a teenager in the late 60s. You never heard of these big fires of this scale. A lot of these fires you see on TV are started by arsonists. Now let me ask You. How do plan the location of the pad for your newly planned house, based on that fact. Id like to see someone calculate the odds of your house being in the direct burn path of a set fire. Itd be difficult. Some areas are burning that have never burnt before. I of course dont have the answer except to try to catch the arsonists and try them in the court system. Thank you sir. Wingnut
 
Every area has its own risks. Big fires like that might only hit those locations once every hundred years or much longer. In other areas the risk of devastating: tornadoes; floods; hurricanes; hail; prolonged drought; or severe blizzards might be much much higher. Insurance spreads the risk. Zoning can also be used to prevent people from building in hazardous locations. On desirable ocean front properties, some people are wealth enough they can afford to build in a hazardous location and either pay high insurance rates or self-insure.
 
You could have a person live their entire life in such an area and never even see smoke. On the other hand you could live in the central part of the country and get wiped out by a tornado. Then you could live on the east coast and get hit by a hurricane. I was born and raised on the Mississippi river and twice a year there was a threat of the town flooding. Nature can get you anywhere.
 
I grew up here. We didnt seem to have these fires until the last few years. It's like a tinder box. Lighting strikes,arsonist, stupid people throwing cigs out windows and not being safe. Same reason people live in flood plains, hurricane areas, tornado areas and such I guess.
 
Yeah, the right-wingers have been trying to claim its all the work of arsonists for awhile now. They fantasize that those wacky Tree Huggers go into the forest and start forest fires so...they...can.... ? Well, I guess they never think that far ahead in their head-long rush to embrace another another crack-pot conspiracy. Of course theyre wrong, but sure, there are arsonists afoot and sometimes they do create a major fire, but they are a relatively minor cause of forest fires these days, roughly 10%.

Admittedly, its all relative. If your house is burned down by an arsonist's fire, its going to be little comfort that it was a fairly scarce happening.

Humans do account for about 95% of the reasons for fires (Careless brush burning, power lines, vehicles, and that modern twist, the Gender Reveal Party...), but arson, as a intentional ignition source of forest fires, was actually a bigger problem decades ago than it is now.
 
Well, George, let's talk about the poster child for wildfires, California. Here's the deal: Either you live in the city, or you live someplace that's subject to wildfires. It's that simple. Oh I suppose there are some places in the desert where there's not enough vegetation to have fires, but the places where you would actually want to live are subject to fires. Probably earthquakes and mudslides, too.

You can improve your chances by clearing out all the vegetation around your house, but a lot of homeowners are loathe to remove what little vegetation they have. And it doesn't do much good to clear out around your house if none of your neighbors are on board.

A friend of mine lived out in Ramona, CA. At the time, his place was right on the edge of the desert. When the wildfires came, all his neighbors evacuated. He's a retired marine and a little bit nuts, so he stayed. He was determined to save his house, so he put sprinklers on the roof and stood by with a hose. When a fire crew came by and told him to leave, he refused. They ended up sending a couple of crews to help him and probably saved the whole neighborhood. After that close call, he cleared out all the brush around his house and had a well drilled so he would have plenty of water in the future.
 
Warbaby where is the proof or article or news clip of people on the right claiming the left is starting forest fires ?
 
I live in Northern Utah and the smoke from the western fires are killing me! Hard to believe that the smoke can travel that far. We can't even see the stars at night. But dealing with smoke is not as bad as dealing with fire. I don't know how the fires are getting started but I sure feel bad for those in the paths of the fires.
 
(quoted from post at 17:39:42 08/07/21) Yeah, the right-wingers have been trying to claim its all the work of arsonists for awhile now. They fantasize that those wacky Tree Huggers go into the forest and start forest fires so...they...can.... ? Well, I guess they never think that far ahead in their head-long rush to embrace another another crack-pot conspiracy. Of course theyre wrong, but sure, there are arsonists afoot and sometimes they do create a major fire, but they are a relatively minor cause of forest fires these days, roughly 10%.

Admittedly, its all relative. If your house is burned down by an arsonist's fire, its going to be little comfort that it was a fairly scarce happening.

Humans do account for about 95% of the reasons for fires (Careless brush burning, power lines, vehicles, and that modern twist, the Gender Reveal Party...), but arson, as a intentional ignition source of forest fires, was actually a bigger problem decades ago than it is now.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. You should shut your mouth once and awhile.
 
That is on the news every night. Part of it is related the mega drought they are experiencing. To put out a fire one would think you need fire fighting tools, evidently there are not enough tools. One fire northern California about 5 days ago they had 10 aircraft on the forest fire. They got that one out. They must have a shortage of fire fighting tools. Not enough water tanker aircraft, not enough flame retardant aircraft dropping flame retardant, not enough helicopters carrying water, not enough fire trucks, not enough firefighters. Send those areas the resources they need to put out fires. We do it for hurricane stricken areas in hurricane season.
 
Two things adding to the problem. Drought and the spruce beetles. The beetles have killed huge amounts of trees leaving fuel for fires. That is also a reason for the mudslides that have been in the news and is causing more avalanches in the winter. As said many fires are caused by lightning, cigarettes, and similar things without arson. So when people built in theses areas wildfires may not have been prevalent.
 
So when people built in theses areas wildfires may not have been prevalent.

That might be true.

If there isn't a restriction, who is to say they won't rebuild back in the same match box?

If a person buys a house in a flood plane and takes out a loan, they are required to have federal flood insurance. If that house is washed away, they can't rebuild there.

Anything like that in a wildfire prone area?
Need federal fire insurance for a loan. Burn down can't rebuild?
 
You should try Googling something youre curious about yourself, instead of relying on others to do your homework!


https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/sep/10/facebook-posts/antifa-activists-did-not-start-west-coast-wildfire/

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/juliareinstein/west-coast-fires-antifa-conspiracies-arson-arrests

https://www.phillyvoice.com/joe-rogan-experience-wildfires-conspiracy-apology-portland-oregon-podcast/
 
That is absolutely true- Arson doesnt necessarily have a political leaning, but the folks pushing it as a conspiracy to explain the wildfires out west certainly do.
 
This one is a bit dated and from Idaho, but I'm sure you could find one for Oregon if you try...
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And I didnt even get to the super-secret fire-starting space lasers yet!

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Im saying arson is not a major cause of wildfires. MANY of those loudly claiming it is without any facts to back them up have a decidedly political reason for doing so.

That pertains to either side of the political spectrum, but one wing is by far the dominant purveyor of such disinformation.
 
What they probably need in these areas is people to get trained in firefighting and get in there and help instead of waiting for the government to take care of it. Maybe then the fires wouldn't get out of control so much.
 
Stephen, when I was a kid and TV made it to our neighborhood, around 1950 or so (Buster Brown living in a shoe, Tarzan, Lone Ranger.......)...one neighbor had a round tube...only TV in the block, along with all the kids on the block, afternoon matinees, I used to watch spring floods along the big rivers of the US. I made up my mind right there that I would not live where it could flood and haven't. On the neighbor with the tv, she and her husband had no children and she welcomed us with open arms.
 
Catastrophic weather hazards exist almost everywhere. Can you imagine a restriction that no one can rebuild anywhere that hurricane, flood, tornadoe, wildfires, drought, thunderstorms or lightning strikes are possible? We would all eventually be living in tents. The great plains were swept clear of trees by frequent natural wildfires. Wildfires happened east of the Mississippi river too.
 

I live where tornados strike and destroy ever so often. I do not give it a thought and pay my insurance on time.

Wildfires are mostly natural occurrences due to lightning, but they get so huge now due to environmentalism which prohibits the regular removal of fuel from the forest.

We all gotta live somewhere and every place has something that can happen.
 
A woman stopped a kid in his early 20s a couple years ago when it was rumored that some of the California fires had been intentionally lit. How many he lit, I never heard.
 
Locals up in Idaho and I think Washington have firefighting cooperatives. Bought a bunch of helicopters and built water buckets for them.
A fire service agent stopped them from flying on one fire, they would have been dumping water within a half hour. But since their buckets didn't meet federal specs, it was 4 hours when water finally arrived.

The primary task of a bureaucracy is to ensure its survival, and we have it set up to reward waste. What easier way for the forest service and bureau of land management to ensure they blow this year's budget than to delay firefighting efforts?

That one fire up in the northwest 2-3 years ago that was a record for acres burned, was under control after 36 hours of firefighting cooperative efforts. They handed it off to the feds to clean up the hot spots, and within a couple hours, containment was lost.
 
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